Hot takes.

If What A Joke was trimmed down to a serious EP, it would be far better than Stay of Execution and would rival the s/t and Weapons.

TZ75 wrote:If What A Joke was trimmed down to a serious EP, it would be far better than Stay of Execution and would rival the s/t and Weapons.

That's how I see it, as I don't count the joke tracks in scoring the album.

I don’t, either. The thrash tracks on that album are decent, but unexceptional and nowhere near the level of Weapons.

The serious thrashers on Joke are more intense than Weapons. I’m not saying better… but the speed and heaviness is impressive. Just as tight as Beneath the Remains.

TZ75 wrote:The serious thrashers on Joke are more intense than Weapons. I’m not saying better… but the speed and heaviness is impressive. Just as tight as Beneath the Remains.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that one short section near the end of It's the Beat is the closest Jimmy's gotten to a death growl.

StevenCressler wrote:

TZ75 wrote:The serious thrashers on Joke are more intense than Weapons. I’m not saying better… but the speed and heaviness is impressive. Just as tight as Beneath the Remains.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that one short section near the end of It's the Beat is the closest Jimmy's gotten to a death growl.

That's Roger Martinez.

MagnusPrime wrote:

StevenCressler wrote:

TZ75 wrote:The serious thrashers on Joke are more intense than Weapons. I’m not saying better… but the speed and heaviness is impressive. Just as tight as Beneath the Remains.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that one short section near the end of It's the Beat is the closest Jimmy's gotten to a death growl.

That's Roger Martinez.

Oh, the funny thing was I was actually going to describe that as "Roger Martinez but better". Turns out Roger just sounded better than usual on there.

He had nowhere to go but up.

StevenCressler wrote:

MagnusPrime wrote:

StevenCressler wrote:

TZ75 wrote:The serious thrashers on Joke are more intense than Weapons. I’m not saying better… but the speed and heaviness is impressive. Just as tight as Beneath the Remains.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that one short section near the end of It's the Beat is the closest Jimmy's gotten to a death growl.

That's Roger Martinez.

Oh, the funny thing was I was actually going to describe that as "Roger Martinex but better". Turns out Roger just sounded better than usual on there.

Martinex a funny typo or a funny something else?

scottmitchell74 wrote:

StevenCressler wrote:

MagnusPrime wrote:

StevenCressler wrote:

TZ75 wrote:The serious thrashers on Joke are more intense than Weapons. I’m not saying better… but the speed and heaviness is impressive. Just as tight as Beneath the Remains.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that one short section near the end of It's the Beat is the closest Jimmy's gotten to a death growl.

That's Roger Martinez.

Oh, the funny thing was I was actually going to describe that as "Roger Martinex but better". Turns out Roger just sounded better than usual on there.

Martinex a funny typo or a funny something else?

Ummm... check again, I made 0 typos

Pethead wrote:He had nowhere to go but up.

Pig squels would be going down

scottmitchell74 wrote:

StevenCressler wrote:

MagnusPrime wrote:

StevenCressler wrote:

TZ75 wrote:The serious thrashers on Joke are more intense than Weapons. I’m not saying better… but the speed and heaviness is impressive. Just as tight as Beneath the Remains.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that one short section near the end of It's the Beat is the closest Jimmy's gotten to a death growl.

That's Roger Martinez.

Oh, the funny thing was I was actually going to describe that as "Roger Martinex but better". Turns out Roger just sounded better than usual on there.

Martinex a funny typo or a funny something else?

That's his new hip-with-the-times "Latinx" name.

StevenCressler wrote:

MagnusPrime wrote:

StevenCressler wrote:

TZ75 wrote:The serious thrashers on Joke are more intense than Weapons. I’m not saying better… but the speed and heaviness is impressive. Just as tight as Beneath the Remains.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that one short section near the end of It's the Beat is the closest Jimmy's gotten to a death growl.

That's Roger Martinez.

Oh, the funny thing was I was actually going to describe that as "Roger Martinez but better". Turns out Roger just sounded better than usual on there.

If you didn't already know, Roger also appeared in Tourniquet's The Test for Leprosy in the middle part of the song.

and also appeared on mortification and Scared Warrior. Roger was everywhere back in the day. Him and Steve Rowe were like the main Christian metal Icons for a while, Specially in Mort's earlier years.

Roger made a lot of guest appearances back in the day.

StevenCressler wrote:

seth wrote:I like me some symphonic metal, but I wouldn’t want ALL metal to be symphonic

I don't either. I just overall prefer the symphonic types the most.

Symphonic Black Metal is the only symphonic metal I care about.

Pethead wrote:AC/DC>Theocracy


Just kidding. I like AC/DC, but I’m not insane.

Six Feet Under covering AC/DC>Theocracy

Son of Nun wrote:

StevenCressler wrote:

seth wrote:I like me some symphonic metal, but I wouldn’t want ALL metal to be symphonic

I don't either. I just overall prefer the symphonic types the most.

Symphonic Black Metal is the only symphonic metal I care about.

For me I love the extra sense of beauty that it adds to a style of music which, despite being my favorite by far, can be lacking in that.

Dustofyears wrote:and also appeared on mortification and Scared Warrior. Roger was everywhere back in the day. Him and Steve Rowe were like the main Christian metal Icons for a while, Specially in Mort's earlier years.

 
Roger and Steve were the faces of Christian metal in the early 90’s. Along with Ted and Gary from Tourniquet (winning multiple HM polls) and Jimmy P. Brown was also held in high regard. 

The Crucified was the big buzz band for a long time too! They were known to have the best shows.

TZ75 wrote:

Dustofyears wrote:and also appeared on mortification and Scared Warrior. Roger was everywhere back in the day. Him and Steve Rowe were like the main Christian metal Icons for a while, Specially in Mort's earlier years.

 
Roger and Steve were the faces of Christian metal in the early 90’s. Along with Ted and Gary from Tourniquet (winning multiple HM polls) and Jimmy P. Brown was also held in high regard. 

The Crucified was the big buzz band for a long time too! They were known to have the best shows.

the "faces" of...that's the word I was looking for. Yes they were very prominent I remember well.

Deliverance s/t has the absolute perfect guitar tone

I don’t know if it’s the tone or the riffs themselves but I find the riffs kinda hard to distinguish on that album.

Pethead wrote:I don’t know if it’s the tone or the riffs themselves but I find the riffs kinda hard to distinguish on that album.

Hmm... I've never had that problem

Here’s a hot take:

D’s debut is overrated. Super important for Christian thrash? Absolutely! Good album? Absolutely! But Weapons was a HUGE leap forward in the songwriting department.

Agreed. It's a good album but not exceptional.