Hot takes.

BR knows what’s up.

Black Rider wrote:Agreed. It's a good album but not exceptional.

And now that view is canon.

Pethead wrote:Here’s a hot take:

D’s debut is overrated. Super important for Christian thrash? Absolutely! Good album? Absolutely! But Weapons was a HUGE leap forward in the songwriting department.

Weapons is way better, for sure. But the s/t is still amazing with songs like Deliverance, If You Will, No Love, and The Call.

Pethead wrote:Here’s a hot take:

D’s debut is overrated. Super important for Christian thrash? Absolutely! Good album? Absolutely! But Weapons was a HUGE leap forward in the songwriting department.

I love the first album. But the drumming in not as tight as Weapons (especially the kick drums). And as already pointed out… the songwriting is not quite as good as Weapons either.

StevenCressler wrote:Deliverance s/t has the absolute perfect guitar tone

No argument there! 

I love when the guitar crunch on Victory comes out of the starting gate like a rampaging bull. Thanks to Jimmy’s Mesa Boogie amp and thick Gibson tone.

That said… Weapons has a slightly more “dialed-in” crunch.

The guitar tone on Weapons rivals both Hetfield’s on Puppets and Dimebag’s on Vulgar Display. 

I love all three!

TZ75 wrote:

StevenCressler wrote:Deliverance s/t has the absolute perfect guitar tone

No argument there! 

I love when the guitar crunch on Victory comes out of the starting gate like a rampaging bull. Thanks to Jimmy’s Mesa Boogie amp and thick Gibson tone.

That said… Weapons has a slightly more “dialed-in” crunch.

Yep. TI also showcases the great crunch

What is TI?

TZ75 wrote:What is TI?

Temporary Insanity

What is Temporary Insanity?

StevenCressler wrote:

TZ75 wrote:What is TI?

Temporary Insanity

Oh… I was thought it was an album.

Reborn is one of Stryper's best albums

You really love boring modern rock too much.

Saint's debut is better than Tourniquets.

Black Rider wrote:You really love boring modern rock too much.  

Umm... idk... something... uhh... Assimilation!

Wait, that doesn't fit this situation. Nvm.

Black Rider wrote:Saint's debut is better than Tourniquets.

If you’re talking Warriors of the Son, no way.

If you’re talking Time’s End, maybe.

Temple of Blood wrote:IGWT > 99% of all secular and Christian metal albums ever released

IGWT<99% of all albums ever released.  Stryper is the most overrated band in Christian music, to an inexplicable degree.  It's like they imprinted on every baby Christian's ears like the first animal a baby bird sees -- for no reason other than being the first.

Stryper might not even make my top 10 Christian metal bands, but they’re a great band and deserve their success.

I respect Stryper and enjoy a good amount of their songs… but it’s insane to say only 1 percent of other bands are better. 

Keeping this in the realm of bands that have actual singing… Tourniquet, Deliverance and Rob Rock’s solo albums are better. I could list a bunch more from bands of different sub-genres that use shouting, growling and death grunts.

Stryper was as trans as they were Christian.  Very pretty ladies.

https://i.servimg.com/u/f46/18/36/91/02/strype10.jpg

Pethead wrote:

Black Rider wrote:Saint's debut is better than Tourniquets.

If you’re talking Warriors of the Son, no way.

If you’re talking Time’s End, maybe.

I meant Times End. I don't count EPs as albums.

strangerhoncho wrote:Stryper was as trans as they were Christian.  Very pretty ladies.

https://i.servimg.com/u/f46/18/36/91/02/strype10.jpg

Bad take, they weren't identifying as a different sex.

Black Rider wrote:

Pethead wrote:

Black Rider wrote:Saint's debut is better than Tourniquets.

If you’re talking Warriors of the Son, no way.

If you’re talking Time’s End, maybe.

I meant Times End. I don't count EPs as albums.

Then I accept your opinion, and am open to it, but I am not ready to declare it canon .

Black Rider wrote:

strangerhoncho wrote:Stryper was as trans as they were Christian.  Very pretty ladies.

https://i.servimg.com/u/f46/18/36/91/02/strype10.jpg

Bad take, they weren't identifying as a different sex.

If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck....

I find it hilarious that the most fundamentalist Christians here, who are quick to condemn musicians to hell for any number of other infractions against orthodoxy, give their pet band a free pass.  The inconsistency is truly astounding.

C'mon guys, I'm trying to win the hot take Olympics here.