First 3 Tourniquet or First 3 Mortification

TZ75 wrote:Lately I’ve been listening to Mort’s EnVision and Hammer of God albums. I like the thrash and groove metal direction they went on those. Especially EnVision! He still had the growls mixed in and Lincoln Bowen knew how to play some tasty solos. Steve’s bass was crushing too. I like the DD Verni/Overkill style attack!

Envision is where I hopped off the Mort ride. NOah sat down and a coffee... no thanks Steve.

Gary Lenaire is my favorite Christian Metal guitarist, and Steve Rowe was my favorite bassist (I say “was” because he has retired and his illness robbed his former ability). Listen to his bass attack on “Live By the Sword”. Pure fire!

Dustofyears wrote:

TZ75 wrote:Lately I’ve been listening to Mort’s EnVision and Hammer of God albums. I like the thrash and groove metal direction they went on those. Especially EnVision! He still had the growls mixed in and Lincoln Bowen knew how to play some tasty solos. Steve’s bass was crushing too. I like the DD Verni/Overkill style attack!

Envision is where I hoped off the Mort ride. NOah sat down and a coffee... no thanks Steve.

That’s just one song, and it’s Steve’s quirky humor. The overall album is solid to great. I really like it! The title track is my favorite mini rock-opera or “epic track”.

TZ75 wrote:Gary Lenaire is my favorite Christian Metal guitarist, and Steve Rowe was my favorite bassist (I say was because he has retired and his illness robbed his former ability).

TQT's melodic Lead work on the Golden albums are  amaze balls. Steve Had a great Bass tone and it was loud and clear from the get go!!! He's one of my fav Bassists too.

TZ75 wrote:

Dustofyears wrote:

TZ75 wrote:Lately I’ve been listening to Mort’s EnVision and Hammer of God albums. I like the thrash and groove metal direction they went on those. Especially EnVision! He still had the growls mixed in and Lincoln Bowen knew how to play some tasty solos. Steve’s bass was crushing too. I like the DD Verni/Overkill style attack!

Envision is where I hoped off the Mort ride. NOah sat down and a coffee... no thanks Steve.

That’s just one song, and it’s Steve’s quirky humor. The overall album is solid to great. I really like it! The title track is my favorite mini rock-opera or “epic track”.

I like Northern storm and some riffs and stuff here and there from that album. I saw them on that tour and met Steve. FUn times.

Dustofyears wrote:

TZ75 wrote:Gary Lenaire is my favorite Christian Metal guitarist, and Steve Rowe was my favorite bassist (I say was because he has retired and his illness robbed his former ability).

TQT's melodic Lead work on the Golden albums are  amaze balls. Steve Had a great Bass tone and it was loud and clear from the get go!!! He's one of my fav Bassists too.

I like how he evolved his sound to that DD Verni (Overkill) style and tone.

Dustofyears wrote:

TZ75 wrote:

Dustofyears wrote:

TZ75 wrote:Lately I’ve been listening to Mort’s EnVision and Hammer of God albums. I like the thrash and groove metal direction they went on those. Especially EnVision! He still had the growls mixed in and Lincoln Bowen knew how to play some tasty solos. Steve’s bass was crushing too. I like the DD Verni/Overkill style attack!

Envision is where I hoped off the Mort ride. NOah sat down and a coffee... no thanks Steve.

That’s just one song, and it’s Steve’s quirky humor. The overall album is solid to great. I really like it! The title track is my favorite mini rock-opera or “epic track”.

I like Northern storm and some riffs and stuff here and there from that album. I saw them on that tour and met Steve. FUn times.

They also had finally found a proficient lead player with Lincoln Bowen. His melodic lead breaks were a plus.

TZ75 wrote:

Dustofyears wrote:

TZ75 wrote:

Dustofyears wrote:

TZ75 wrote:Lately I’ve been listening to Mort’s EnVision and Hammer of God albums. I like the thrash and groove metal direction they went on those. Especially EnVision! He still had the growls mixed in and Lincoln Bowen knew how to play some tasty solos. Steve’s bass was crushing too. I like the DD Verni/Overkill style attack!

Envision is where I hoped off the Mort ride. NOah sat down and a coffee... no thanks Steve.

That’s just one song, and it’s Steve’s quirky humor. The overall album is solid to great. I really like it! The title track is my favorite mini rock-opera or “epic track”.

I like Northern storm and some riffs and stuff here and there from that album. I saw them on that tour and met Steve. FUn times.

They also had finally found a proficient lead player with Lincoln Bowen. His lead breaks were a plus.

The tone and sound of Steve's Bass and playing is the one thing I like throughout their whole catalogue and morphe easily into just about any metal style. Underrated Bassist in my opinion.

Lyrics aside, Noah Was a Knower was nice thrasher musically.

Dustofyears wrote:

TZ75 wrote:

Dustofyears wrote:

TZ75 wrote:

Dustofyears wrote:

TZ75 wrote:Lately I’ve been listening to Mort’s EnVision and Hammer of God albums. I like the thrash and groove metal direction they went on those. Especially EnVision! He still had the growls mixed in and Lincoln Bowen knew how to play some tasty solos. Steve’s bass was crushing too. I like the DD Verni/Overkill style attack!

Envision is where I hoped off the Mort ride. NOah sat down and a coffee... no thanks Steve.

That’s just one song, and it’s Steve’s quirky humor. The overall album is solid to great. I really like it! The title track is my favorite mini rock-opera or “epic track”.

I like Northern storm and some riffs and stuff here and there from that album. I saw them on that tour and met Steve. FUn times.

They also had finally found a proficient lead player with Lincoln Bowen. His lead breaks were a plus.

The tone and sound of Steve's Bass and playing is the one thing I like throughout their whole catalogue and morphe easily into just about any metal style. Underrated Bassist in my opinion.

I agree!

Even back on the Scrolls album… listen to the way Steve’s bass locks in on Death Requiem.

Raise the chalice, Satan's Doom, and probably just about any song from Mort's Catalogue, there it is, beautiful and in your face just as you please. I love Bass driven bands with the guitar adding color on top, rather than Bass buried in the mix and is there just to thicken it out, as so often is the case in metal. Not Steve!!!

TZ75 wrote:I think Believer vs Tourniquet is a more fair comparison. Mort and TQT are very different in style.

I think Tourniquet would win that one too pretty easily. Both for making better music and for not abandoning their message

TZ75 wrote:Lyrics aside, Noah Was a Knower was nice thrasher musically.

Lol that sounds like the title of a kids’ vbs song. Which makes me imagine a VBS program that used death metal as their music

seth wrote:

TZ75 wrote:Lyrics aside, Noah Was a Knower was nice thrasher musically.

Lol that sounds like the title of a kids’ vbs song. Which makes me imagine a VBS program that used death metal as their music

I'd pick Believer. I like all their albums. TQT I really like POD a lot and most of PS and parts of STB. But you are probably right.


And somehow I quoted the wrong message lolz

The only Believer song I really like is Trilogy of Knowledge part 3, the one with only the female singer. Their regular vocalist I never cared too much for. And they went in kind of a weird direction on their later stuff, musically as well as lyrically

TZ75 wrote:I think Believer vs Tourniquet is a more fair comparison. Mort and TQT are very different in style.

This would be an easy Tqt victory for me, though I have not spent much time with Believer's first or third. Sanity Obscure is overrated though, imo.

CrimsonWarrior wrote:

TZ75 wrote:I think Believer vs Tourniquet is a more fair comparison. Mort and TQT are very different in style.

This would be an easy Tqt victory for me, though I have not spent much time with Believer's first or third. Sanity Obscure is overrated though, imo.

 
It’s more stylistically speaking… both bands started out thrash with progressive tendencies, and a appreciation of classical music. 

I remember back in the day Believer were very popular. They even gained respect in the secular circuit.

CrimsonWarrior wrote:

TZ75 wrote:I think Believer vs Tourniquet is a more fair comparison. Mort and TQT are very different in style.

This would be an easy Tqt victory for me, though I have not spent much time with Believer's first or third. Sanity Obscure is overrated though, imo.

I mainly know Sanity for Dies Irae

Very few thrash bands can really compete with Tourniquet. Even the secular bands everybody loves (like Megadeth and early Metallica) aren’t on the same level imo. I can only think of two other progressive/hybrid/“quirky” thrash bands that are on a similar level of quality, Adorned Graves and Biogenesis. And even these are significantly different stylistically than Tourniquet. It seems in general the best bands are kind of in a stylistic class of their own

TQT better

Oh dear...

Dustofyears wrote:Oh dear...

Did you lose your keys again?

seth wrote:Very few thrash bands can really compete with Tourniquet. Even the secular bands everybody loves (like Megadeth and early Metallica) aren’t on the same level imo. I can only think of two other progressive/hybrid/“quirky” thrash bands that are on a similar level of quality, Adorned Graves and Biogenesis. And even these are significantly different stylistically than Tourniquet. It seems in general the best bands are kind of in a stylistic class of their own

I love Tourniquet but this is crazy talk. Guitar wise they aren't at deth or Metallica levels at their peak. I'd say even an Skolnick of Testament is better guitar wise.

MagnusPrime wrote:

Dustofyears wrote:Oh dear...

Did you lose your keys again?

Yea gone done left them round here sum place...

Black Rider wrote:

seth wrote:Very few thrash bands can really compete with Tourniquet. Even the secular bands everybody loves (like Megadeth and early Metallica) aren’t on the same level imo. I can only think of two other progressive/hybrid/“quirky” thrash bands that are on a similar level of quality, Adorned Graves and Biogenesis. And even these are significantly different stylistically than Tourniquet. It seems in general the best bands are kind of in a stylistic class of their own

I love Tourniquet but this is crazy talk. Guitar wise they aren't at deth or Metallica levels at their peak. I'd say even an Skolnick of Testament is better guitar wise.

I agree! 

It may ruffle some feathers… but I think some people could be ranking Tourniquet higher than the gold standard genre originals like Megadeth and 80’s era Metallica because Tourniquet was a Christian band. The lyrical content is the main difference. If Metallica or Megadeth or Testament were Christian bands, I don’t think Tourniquet would be ranked as high. Don’t get me wrong! I love classic Tourniquet, but I’m not gonna say they’re better because of the lyrics. 

There’s no way any Tourniquet album tops Rust in Peace or Ride the Lightning and Master of Puppets. Deliverance came close and even got some praise on Headbanger’s Ball… but they were another band derived from Metallica’s blueprint. 

I can’t think of any Christian metal guitarist that is better than Alex Skolnick or Marty Friedman. Most Christian metal bands are a copy of a secular band. Aside from the King Diamond comparison on STB, Tourniquet was the most original band. I still don’t think anything they did was better than Rust in Peace or Ride the Lightning.