Re: Sacrament News + a new band arise...

by TZ75 Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:06 pm

I just suggest what I as a fan want to hear. I’m not trying to be critical. I also know it’s still just in demo form. They still can add some icing on the cake and finishing touches.

by Drawnsword Wed Sep 15, 2021 3:15 am

Temple of Blood wrote:

Awesome, should sound totally intense when completed.

by Black Rider Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:58 am

They really need a guitar solo or two. Kind of wanders into death metal territory.

by Temple of Blood Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:02 am

average joe wrote:Agreed on some screams mixed in like on the Testimony album would add a nice touch. I wonder if Torone can still hit those screams? The problem is that it is typically that part of the vocals that seem to go with age. For example, Chuck Billy stays with the lower stuff mixed with more discernible stuff pretty much at all times now and never really hits any highs or shrieking screams. Phil Enselmo (one of the best at it early on) also seemed to lose that shrieking scream skill not long after Cowboys.

That said, Torone’s vocals have been on a 30 year sabbatical, so hopefully he can still mix in screams here and there, even if only in the studio. Bands like Killswitch, for example, have a vocalist that has been hitting those high screams for almost 20 years, so it can be done physically. Would be killer to add that element for variety if he can. Growls sound great though! I also like the spoken parts as a change of pace. I agree with the duration/repetition and lead critiques, but, man, killer return in the form of a demo. So refreshing to finally hear a band after such a long layoff actually return to something close to an original form without a total change in style or lyrical content. Congrats to Paul and Mike for pulling it off!

Does this song have those top-tier vocals that you say thrash metal has to have?

by Temple of Blood Wed Sep 15, 2021 9:03 am

TZ75 wrote:I just suggest what I as a fan want to hear. I’m not trying to be critical. I also know it’s still just in demo form. They still can add some icing on the cake and finishing touches.

I have a feeling the song will not change much from this form to the final form, and that demo just refers to mixing/mastering. I could be wrong, but most bands don't "demo" like they did in the old days. We'll see.

by TZ75 Wed Sep 15, 2021 10:38 am

Temple of Blood wrote:
TZ75 wrote:I just suggest what I as a fan want to hear. I’m not trying to be critical. I also know it’s still just in demo form. They still can add some icing on the cake and finishing touches.

I have a feeling the song will not change much from this form to the final form, and that demo just refers to mixing/mastering. I could be wrong, but most bands don't "demo" like they did in the old days. We'll see.

Yeah, I’m just waiting for the finished production. I hope it sounds good.

by TZ75 Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:26 am

Does anyone have any idea what musical direction the other half of Sacrament (the Erik Ney version) is going? Will they be more like the original thrash style? I can’t imagine anyone other than Rob Wolfe fronting them.

by average joe Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:30 pm

Temple of Blood wrote:
average joe wrote:Agreed on some screams mixed in like on the Testimony album would add a nice touch. I wonder if Torone can still hit those screams? The problem is that it is typically that part of the vocals that seem to go with age. For example, Chuck Billy stays with the lower stuff mixed with more discernible stuff pretty much at all times now and never really hits any highs or shrieking screams. Phil Enselmo (one of the best at it early on) also seemed to lose that shrieking scream skill not long after Cowboys.

That said, Torone’s vocals have been on a 30 year sabbatical, so hopefully he can still mix in screams here and there, even if only in the studio. Bands like Killswitch, for example, have a vocalist that has been hitting those high screams for almost 20 years, so it can be done physically. Would be killer to add that element for variety if he can. Growls sound great though! I also like the spoken parts as a change of pace. I agree with the duration/repetition and lead critiques, but, man, killer return in the form of a demo. So refreshing to finally hear a band after such a long layoff actually return to something close to an original form without a total change in style or lyrical content. Congrats to Paul and Mike for pulling it off!

Does this song have those top-tier vocals that you say thrash metal has to have?

Nope. Definitely not in this demo form, hence my critiques. Somebody else mentioned it almost has a death metal vibe vocally. Never been a fan of death metal vocals. I don’t recall saying any of the demo was “top-tier,” but would give them the opportunity to produce a finished product and respect the lyrical direction. Perhaps you mixed up my comments with somebody else, or just feel like I wasn’t critical enough. I listened again at normal volume (not just my phone) and added some thoughts without trying to be overly critical of their efforts on a demo.

by Temple of Blood Wed Sep 15, 2021 1:50 pm

TZ75 wrote:Does anyone have any idea what musical direction the other half of Sacrament (the Erik Ney version) is going? Will they be more like the original thrash style? I can’t imagine anyone other than Rob Wolfe fronting them.

I don't know that it is impossible at this point for the two bands to share members, especially if there are no plans for shows anything.

by TZ75 Wed Sep 15, 2021 3:17 pm

Temple of Blood wrote:
TZ75 wrote:Does anyone have any idea what musical direction the other half of Sacrament (the Erik Ney version) is going? Will they be more like the original thrash style? I can’t imagine anyone other than Rob Wolfe fronting them.

I don't know that it is impossible at this point for the two bands to share members, especially if there are no plans for shows anything.

Yeah, but what musical direction is the non- Mike Torone band gonna sound like? Will it be thrash or something else?

by Temple of Blood Fri Sep 17, 2021 9:51 am

TZ75 wrote:
Temple of Blood wrote:
TZ75 wrote:Does anyone have any idea what musical direction the other half of Sacrament (the Erik Ney version) is going? Will they be more like the original thrash style? I can’t imagine anyone other than Rob Wolfe fronting them.

I don't know that it is impossible at this point for the two bands to share members, especially if there are no plans for shows anything.

Yeah, but what musical direction is the non- Mike Torone band gonna sound like? Will it be thrash or something else?

No telling. At least it has guitarists from Sacrament though. I expect it will have groove, as that was the direction they went in with Haunts. Who knows. It may never even come to fruition, hence the band split.

by Constantine Sat Sep 18, 2021 6:26 pm

Darn, every single song from Sacrament has now been yanked from Spotify.
Even "Slave To Sin" which was on there for years from some compilation.

They also yanked "What Is Rock For" by X-Sinner.
Now there is only 1 X-Sinner song left on there.

Other thrash / death albums by Mashiaj, Wicked's End, Deuteronomium, and others are gone too.

Mad

by mothy Sun Sep 19, 2021 9:57 am

Testimony of the Apocalypse is still there as of this morning

https://open.spotify.com/artist/6iQfPdzgx6oEecEguhZfYB?si=5CFH5ngxTIeRJlt5mF_iYw&utm_source=copy-link&dl_branch=1

by Constantine Sun Sep 19, 2021 11:48 am

That's so odd! Yesterday it was completely wiped. There must have been some glitch or something. Now I need to put it the songs back in two of my playlists because I had removed them...grrr.

Update: The songs DID get deleted....then they put them back but as a different catalog #. The songs I had in my playlists were grayed out and I had to delete those and choose them again from the new entries.

by TZ75 Sun Sep 19, 2021 1:48 pm

Does Sacrament and other bands get a percentage from the Christian Band Shirts website sales? Or does the site have legal right to print the album images without permission?

I’m just asking because I just received one a couple days ago. I would prefer that the band got paid in some capacity.

by Temple of Blood Sun Sep 19, 2021 4:12 pm

Yes, all bands there get paid.

by Constantine Sun Sep 19, 2021 5:42 pm

Yes the bands all sign a rather detailed revenue-sharing agreement with the Christian Band Shirts site.

by TZ75 Sun Sep 19, 2021 10:13 pm

Constantine wrote:Yes the bands all sign a rather detailed revenue-sharing agreement with the Christian Band Shirts site.

That’s good!

by average joe Tue Sep 28, 2021 1:05 am

https://www.facebook.com/TestimonyOfApocalypse/photos/a.103321568721861/122666143454070/?type=3

by TZ75 Tue Sep 28, 2021 1:09 am

Great album cover art!

by TZ75 Tue Sep 28, 2021 1:32 am

I can’t wait for this album to be released!

by average joe Tue Nov 02, 2021 11:38 am

https://www.facebook.com/103314472055904/posts/130549239332427/?d=n

Album version of single available.

by mothy Tue Nov 02, 2021 1:02 pm

Not the biggest Torone fan but this new track is pretty darn good.

by average joe Thu Nov 04, 2021 11:29 am

https://www.facebook.com/103314472055904/posts/130978842622800/?d=n

Track #2

by TZ75 Thu Nov 04, 2021 11:44 am

Very good!

That said, I hope they have a few faster tempo songs mixed in.

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