Temple of Blood - Overlord (REMASTERED and greatly improved!) thrash/power/speed metal

Pethead wrote:

Temple of Blood wrote:

crucifyd wrote:ToB, would you ever release the instrumental version?

Why?

Do people buy these?

I know Tourniquet sell them, and Dream Theater do, but I don't know how popular they are.

On the original released version, the vocals were a bit low in the mix anyway.

I bought the Tourniquet one, but I never listen to it. I don't really go for instrumental albums.

Temple of Blood wrote:

Pethead wrote:

Temple of Blood wrote:

crucifyd wrote:ToB, would you ever release the instrumental version?

Why?

Do people buy these?

I know Tourniquet sell them, and Dream Theater do, but I don't know how popular they are.

On the original released version, the vocals were a bit low in the mix anyway.

I bought the Tourniquet one, but I never listen to it. I don't really go for instrumental albums.

Me either, unless it is someone utterly brilliant, the top 1% of 1% of composers, like Eric Johnson.

crucifyd wrote:

Temple of Blood wrote:

crucifyd wrote:ToB, would you ever release the instrumental version?

Do people buy these?

I don't know if people do, but I do...   ; )

TZ75 wrote:Jeff Loomis (ex-Nevermore guitarist) has a couple instrumental albums out. They sound like Nevermore (obviously…) but with a lot of Jason Becker influenced shredding. 

TZ75 wrote:Jeff Loomis (ex-Nevermore guitarist) has a couple instrumental albums out. They sound like Nevermore (obviously…) but with a lot of Jason Becker influenced shredding. 

 

TZ75 wrote:I would love an official EP or album of Metallica instrumentals. Orion, The Call of Ktulu, To Live Is to Die (despite the small lyrical passage) and Suicide and Redemption. 

All of their instrumentals are interesting and tell a story without words. Of coarse anyone could just burn those onto a blank CD, but if it was an official release from the band it could contain liner notes with commentary about the songs. Like Jeff Waters did on some of his Annihilator albums.

Also worth noting… 

On Sepultura’s two disc reissue of Arise, there is a handful of instrumental rough mixes of songs. I really enjoy listening to those.

Sevenoneself wrote:

TZ75 wrote:Jeff Loomis (ex-Nevermore guitarist) has a couple instrumental albums out. They sound like Nevermore (obviously…) but with a lot of Jason Becker influenced shredding. 

His fingers started blurring in the video a few times during the fast parts on my computer. Unreal!!!

Temple of Blood wrote:

TZ75 wrote:I would love an official EP or album of Metallica instrumentals. Orion, The Call of Ktulu, To Live Is to Die (despite the small lyrical passage) and Suicide and Redemption. 

All of their instrumentals are interesting and tell a story without words. Of coarse anyone could just burn those onto a blank CD, but if it was an official release from the band it could contain liner notes with commentary about the songs. Like Jeff Waters did on some of his Annihilator albums.

Also worth noting… 

On Sepultura’s two disc reissue of Arise, there is a handful of instrumental rough mixes of songs. I really enjoy listening to those.

Sure, instrumentals hypothetically can be great.

What you're saying you like is a "Greatest Hits" of all Metallica's instrumentals.  I appreciate that you wisely omitted Anesthesia which is obviously a goof and an after-thought.

It's one thing to write an album worth of music, and put vocals on the ones that seem like they need vocals, and omit them on the ones that don't need them or where it would detract.  That involves making a creative choice based on home the material is sounding.

It's another think to make a blanket decision up-front for a whole album that there will be no vocals and always expect the music alone to carry the song.

Those instrumentals work best in the context of their respective albums, towards the end, providing wonderful peaks and valleys in a complete musical landscape.  That is one of the things Metallica used to do so well.  Create not only good songs but ALBUMS that could retain your interest and sufficient musical changes to that end.

Besides, few metal artists write/arrange music as well as old Metallica did.  That's why they were Metallica and can now skate by for decades on past glories.  Lesser artists probably need more to make their music interesting.

TZ75 wrote:

Temple of Blood wrote:

TZ75 wrote:I would love an official EP or album of Metallica instrumentals. Orion, The Call of Ktulu, To Live Is to Die (despite the small lyrical passage) and Suicide and Redemption. 

All of their instrumentals are interesting and tell a story without words. Of coarse anyone could just burn those onto a blank CD, but if it was an official release from the band it could contain liner notes with commentary about the songs. Like Jeff Waters did on some of his Annihilator albums.

Also worth noting… 

On Sepultura’s two disc reissue of Arise, there is a handful of instrumental rough mixes of songs. I really enjoy listening to those.

Sure, instrumentals hypothetically can be great.

What you're saying you like is a "Greatest Hits" of all Metallica's instrumentals.  I appreciate that you wisely omitted Anesthesia which is obviously a goof and an after-thought.

It's one thing to write an album worth of music, and put vocals on the ones that seem like they need vocals, and omit them on the ones that don't need them or where it would detract.  That involves making a creative choice based on home the material is sounding.

It's another think to make a blanket decision up-front for a whole album that there will be no vocals and always expect the music alone to carry the song.

Those instrumentals work best in the context of their respective albums, towards the end, providing wonderful peaks and valleys in a complete musical landscape.  That is one of the things Metallica used to do so well.  Create not only good songs but ALBUMS that could retain your interest and sufficient musical changes to that end.

Besides, few metal artists write/arrange music as well as old Metallica did.  That's why they were Metallica and can now skate by for decades on past glories.  Lesser artists probably need more to make their music interesting.

I like the Anesthesia track (I’m a Cliff Burton fan), but it’s basically just a bass solo (jam session).

Temple of Blood wrote:

TZ75 wrote:Jeff Loomis (ex-Nevermore guitarist) has a couple instrumental albums out. They sound like Nevermore (obviously…) but with a lot of Jason Becker influenced shredding. 

 

The only Nevermore I like is old Nevermore (the first few albums), and frankly some of the best stuff they ever done was written by Tim Calvert.

Do you enjoy listening to these Loomis instrumental albums?  Do they keep your attention and make you excited to hear more?

I'm not a Jason Becker fan and never have been.  I don't like Cacophony either, or most of the Shrapnel releases.

Temple of Blood wrote:

TZ75 wrote:

Temple of Blood wrote:

TZ75 wrote:I would love an official EP or album of Metallica instrumentals. Orion, The Call of Ktulu, To Live Is to Die (despite the small lyrical passage) and Suicide and Redemption. 

All of their instrumentals are interesting and tell a story without words. Of coarse anyone could just burn those onto a blank CD, but if it was an official release from the band it could contain liner notes with commentary about the songs. Like Jeff Waters did on some of his Annihilator albums.

Also worth noting… 

On Sepultura’s two disc reissue of Arise, there is a handful of instrumental rough mixes of songs. I really enjoy listening to those.

Sure, instrumentals hypothetically can be great.

What you're saying you like is a "Greatest Hits" of all Metallica's instrumentals.  I appreciate that you wisely omitted Anesthesia which is obviously a goof and an after-thought.

It's one thing to write an album worth of music, and put vocals on the ones that seem like they need vocals, and omit them on the ones that don't need them or where it would detract.  That involves making a creative choice based on home the material is sounding.

It's another think to make a blanket decision up-front for a whole album that there will be no vocals and always expect the music alone to carry the song.

Those instrumentals work best in the context of their respective albums, towards the end, providing wonderful peaks and valleys in a complete musical landscape.  That is one of the things Metallica used to do so well.  Create not only good songs but ALBUMS that could retain your interest and sufficient musical changes to that end.

Besides, few metal artists write/arrange music as well as old Metallica did.  That's why they were Metallica and can now skate by for decades on past glories.  Lesser artists probably need more to make their music interesting.

I like the Anesthesia track (I’m a Cliff Burton fan), but it’s basically just a bass solo (jam session).

It's a few basic guitar licks that just happen to be played on a bass guitar this time.  It's not composed to the degree that Orion is.

TZ75 wrote:
I agree that it’s nowhere near Orion’s level of greatness… but Cliff’s playing is more than a few basic licks. He had his signature wah and distortion sound and he played bass like a tasty Iommi solo.

TZ75 wrote:
Yes I like the Loomis solo albums (I bought both). And I agree that the early Nevermore was the best. Mainly: The Politics of Ecstasy and Dreaming Neon Black. And I like Tim Calvert too! But he didn’t write nearly as much as Jeff. He was a co-writer at best on DNB. Jeff has always been the main songwriter in Nevermore. 
Are you sure your not giving Tim too much credit because you love Forbidden? 

As far as not liking Jason Becker… of coarse you are entitled to your opinion. The fact you don’t like Shrapnel artists tells me you’re not a big shred guy. Some people only like their music in a neat formulaic structure. I’m also aware that guitar instrumentals are considered a very niche sub-genre.

Temple of Blood wrote:

TZ75 wrote:
I agree that it’s nowhere near Orion’s level of greatness… but Cliff’s playing is more than a few basic licks. He had his signature wah and distortion sound and he played bass like a tasty Iommi solo.

Iommi's solos are way better than that.

Temple of Blood wrote:

TZ75 wrote:
Yes I like the Loomis solo albums (I bought both). And I agree that the early Nevermore was the best. Mainly: The Politics of Ecstasy and Dreaming Neon Black. And I like Tim Calvert too! But he didn’t write nearly as much as Jeff. He was a co-writer at best on DNB. Jeff has always been the main songwriter in Nevermore. 
Are you sure your not giving Tim too much credit because you love Forbidden? 

As far as not liking Jason Becker… of coarse you are entitled to your opinion. The fact you don’t like Shrapnel artists tells me you’re not a big shred guy. Some people only like their music in a neat formulaic structure. I’m also aware that guitar instrumentals are considered a very niche sub-genre.

Nah, you can tell what Tim wrote because he wrote in the same basic style on "Distortion" and to a lesser degree on "Twisted into Form".  I also like Loomis's writing on the early Nevermore albums but feel he lost the plot a long time ago.

I do love shred, but I am selective about it.  Racer X (especially the debut) is one of my favorite bands of all-time.  The early Yngwie stuff is some of the best music ever IMHO.  I love some of Vinnie Moore's stuff.  Even Mike Varney says those bands were not writing very well and the later shredders didn't move him like Yngwie and Gilbert did with their phrasing/songwriting.

I like all kinds of music not just "neat formulaic structures".  BTW shred guitar can be pretty formulaic too.

Sevenoneself wrote:Or you can have it in space suits!! I've always loved this one. Start watching video at 0:57

TZ75 wrote:

Sevenoneself wrote:Or you can have it in space suits!! I've always loved this one. Start watching video at 0:57

They look like Galactic Cowboys.

Temple of Blood wrote:I've been recording vocals and I think it's coming along well.  Layering some backing vocals now.

I'm trying for a grittier, more aggressive approach on songs where I think it is fitting.  Not like Anselmo or Corpsegrinder or anything though.

Also decided to add a couple more guitar solos and I'm having a blast writing those.

Writing music is the most fulfilling thing to me.