Thoughts on Ken Tamplin controversy?

by Aldi80s Wed Oct 02, 2024 1:43 am

First of all...

No, I'm not going to bash him here. I'm a big fan of his music since 1989 when I discovered SHOUT, then I got the first 2 CDs in 1991 and later the 2 Shout KCTs... all of them I keep in my collection today (now I need to buy the SHOUT music in CD because the tapes are worn out now)

So, my intention to post that is to know about that controversy over Internet: the lip-sync and guitar mimic... Of course I'm not from USA and never been in any of his concerts (I wish), so I don't know what to say about that. Anyway, to be honest, yes, I heard some live songs and for me are totally different than from studio albums and I recently watched the Immortal fest and again, sound different.

So... why the hell those people are insisting that Tamplin is a fraud? I'm so sick of that and I even block the video recommendations from those "influencers" like Marc Ajax ( I saw his IG an only have like 10 homemade videos, but no records registered at Discogs... then for me he is not worthy of my attention.)

Since I don't have FB, I don't know what is happening and at X where I'm so active, there's no posts about this.

Anyway, there is something that makes me think after watching the immortal fest: why Ken don't play the guitar like he did in the videos? That's my only doubt.

But, I want you guys to tell me if he is really genuine, if there are something that could defend him or unfortunately expose the truth? or what....
Again.. people talks about lip-sync, how? if the songs are different from studio and live, what makes them think that it's happpening?
guitar mimic? who said that? how?

The most important thing: do you guys knows if there are other artists who are defending him, like George Rene Ochoa? I wanna know .

ok... hope that post won't make a controversy, I don't intent to bash him... not from me since, again I say: I'm a big fan of Tamplin/Shout.

God bless you !!!

by Guest Wed Oct 02, 2024 4:24 am

From what I've gathered on Failbook, nobody is defending him. He has reportedly deleted posts of those rebuking him, which IMO is short-sighted and immature on his part.

I believe this entire lip-syncing thing is more prevalent than we can imagine, but that is no valid excuse for KT perpetrating this fraud on the music world. In this day and age of intense scrutiny, he knew it would only be a matter of time before he was busted.

by MagnusPrime Wed Oct 02, 2024 11:32 am

Ken Tamplin does not sing. He is simply an amplifier for cosmic harmonies.

Ken Tamplin is so good, it sends your mind into shock, which makes it appear that he's not singing live.

However....

Ken Tamplin is NOT telling the truth about backing tracks, as he actually sings every harmony part live by himself.

Rock on 1

by deathisgain Wed Oct 02, 2024 12:38 pm

This has been talked about in the Immortal Fest post.

First we have to establish what the main accusation is: that Ken sang the lower parts, but the higher parts were lip synched. That's it. No one is talking about the background vocals or him strengthening his voice with the vocal playing in the background.

If you watch the Wings of Pegasus video breaking it down, he shows how the graph of the vocal line live, exactly matches it on the record version. No matter how good you are, that's not going to happen. The timing, pitch, etc is going to be off. But they are exact matches. He also shows an older concert back in the 90's where the same exact thing is happening.

Whether you think that this is acceptable or not, the biggest problem is he teaches you how not to have to do this in concert.

by MagnusPrime Wed Oct 02, 2024 1:33 pm

Ken also lip-synchs his interviews, but only to save his voice so he can record tracks to lip-synch to in concert.

by crucifyd Wed Oct 02, 2024 10:48 pm

there's no doubt that KT has (had?) pipes.

that being said, @8:18 in his video, Wings of Pegasus also showed one of Ken's livestream videos, which he said was from 4 years ago. I assume it was on youtube and it appears to have been removed...

I found the video on facebook, posted on 3 September 24
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1241143763722670

just before he starts the song Ken says "I have an old instrumental track here... let's see how it goes"...implying there are no vocals on the track. however, as WOP shows, he's clearly not singing this song after the first YEEEAAAH... at the beginning.

there's a part were his vocal fades out and a part where he closes his mouth but is still singing...

finally, I played the studio version and the livestream together and they match perfectly...

by bodachi Thu Oct 03, 2024 12:21 am

^Oh, my, I could lipsync more convincingly than that

by bodachi Thu Oct 03, 2024 12:27 am

In the late 80's, he sang pretend metal
35 years later, he pretends to sing pretend metal

by Soldier777 Thu Oct 03, 2024 7:24 am

I have all of his albums and it won't change my views of being a fan of his material from the 80s with Joshua up to 2003 Wake the Nations and the 2011 album with Greg X. He started his vocal coach business in the 2000s. I don't know enough about the dynamics of singing. It seems like Pegasus is taking advantage of Ken and others as they try to make a living. Another side is if Ken is taking shortcuts since he started his coaching business.

by Luke Easter Thu Oct 03, 2024 10:31 am

Soldier777 wrote:I have all of his albums and it won't change my views of being a fan of his material from the 80s with Joshua up to 2003 Wake the Nations and the 2011 album with Greg X. He started his vocal coach business in the 2000s. I don't know enough about the dynamics of singing. It seems like Pegasus is taking advantage of Ken and others as they try to make a living. Another side is if Ken is taking shortcuts since he started his ciaching business. I also wonder whst his former and current students are thinking. Over all, I find that Pegasus guy annoying.

This is one of the most clueless posts I've seen, definitely in relation to this topic, but really overall as well. This attitude is why people like Ken get away with being dishonest for so long.

by Roebuckryan Thu Oct 03, 2024 10:40 am

This situation oozes of a corrupt televangelist feeling. It didn’t need to. Complete honesty would have cut this off at the knees. The ones who have called him out, because of data, shouldn’t be the ones attacked by Christians.

by TZ75 Thu Oct 03, 2024 11:07 am

I had no idea about this controversy…

The irony is that Ken ran a vocal coaching school. Not sure if it’s still open for business.

From the YouTube videos I’ve seen of him, he always tried to display his high pitch abilities. Razz

*edit*

I wrote my post before I read through other posts above mine (except the first two).

by TZ75 Thu Oct 03, 2024 11:13 am

Luke Easter wrote:
Soldier777 wrote:I have all of his albums and it won't change my views of being a fan of his material from the 80s with Joshua up to 2003 Wake the Nations and the 2011 album with Greg X. He started his vocal coach business in the 2000s. I don't know enough about the dynamics of singing. It seems like Pegasus is taking advantage of Ken and others as they try to make a living. Another side is if Ken is taking shortcuts since he started his ciaching business. I also wonder whst his former and current students are thinking. Over all, I find that Pegasus guy annoying.

This is one of the most clueless posts I've seen, definitely in relation to this topic, but really overall as well. This attitude is why people like Ken get away with being dishonest for so long.

Two words… blind loyalty.

by TZ75 Thu Oct 03, 2024 11:17 am

His alleged cousin (Sammy Hagar) should have taught him to actually sing for real!

by Soldier777 Thu Oct 03, 2024 11:36 am

To respond yo Luke Easter, I not sure if he is calling me clureless or just my post.

To respond to TZ75, I'm not blindly loyal. I'm also questioning Ken Tamplin's integrity.

I'm reserving my opinion for several weeks to see what happens.

by MagnusPrime Thu Oct 03, 2024 1:00 pm

TZ75 wrote:His alleged cousin (Sammy Hagar)

"Mr. Hagar, you are hereby charged with being related to Ken Tamplin. How do you plead?"

by bodachi Thu Oct 03, 2024 2:01 pm

MagnusPrime wrote:
TZ75 wrote:His alleged cousin (Sammy Hagar)

"Mr. Hagar, you are hereby charged with being related to Ken Tamplin. How do you plead?"

"You really got me"

by TZ75 Thu Oct 03, 2024 4:37 pm

MagnusPrime wrote:
TZ75 wrote:His alleged cousin (Sammy Hagar)

"Mr. Hagar, you are hereby charged with being related to Ken Tamplin. How do you plead?"

5150

by alldatndensum Thu Oct 03, 2024 6:07 pm

My opinion? A bunch of keyboard warriors saw someone being attacked and went after Ken like a bunch a starving sharks. Rather than pray for him and work to restore, they got their claws out to rip him to shreds. This controversy is a HUGE reason why non-Christians want nothing to do with Jesus. They don't see His followers behaving much differently than Satan's followers.

Unless Ken wronged someone personally, everyone else (me as well) need to butt out and leave this alone if we don't know the truth for sure.

by Soldier777 Thu Oct 03, 2024 6:31 pm

I agree with the above post.

by MagnusPrime Thu Oct 03, 2024 8:02 pm

I'm going to start the MagnusPrime Lip-Synching & Musical Miming Academy, but I'll create controversy by actually singing and playing live in my instructional videos.

by Tobi Elektrik Fri Oct 04, 2024 4:54 am

alldatndensum wrote:My opinion? A bunch of keyboard warriors saw someone being attacked and went after Ken like a bunch a starving sharks. Rather than pray for him and work to restore, they got their claws out to rip him to shreds. This controversy is a HUGE reason why non-Christians want nothing to do with Jesus. They don't see His followers behaving much differently than Satan's followers.

Unless Ken wronged someone personally, everyone else (me as well) need to butt out and leave this alone if we don't know the truth for sure.

He is a business man. He sells his services as a teacher. This lip synced stuff is false advertisement.
The "Wings of Pegasus" video proofs very clearly what has been lip synced. Denying anything of this is just crazy. But he did, deleted videos and falsely accused the guy from Wings of Pegasus of deleting messages and trying to "sell" his false story just for clicks.

To call people "keyboard warriors" and demanding that people should "leave this alone" is quite inappropriate. Because we DO know the truth for sure. The accusations agains Ken have been scientifically prooven by Fil of "Wings of Pegasus" and Ken's reactions and false accusations have been documented. He didn't take the chance to come clean but has tried to fight it. Of course that's the moment when the "sharks" really start to "bite" because Ken's trying to deceive his audience a second time.

by Luke Easter Fri Oct 04, 2024 8:22 am

Soldier777 wrote:To respond yo Luke Easter, I not sure if he is calling me clureless or just my post.

To respond to TZ75, I'm not blindly loyal. I'm also questioning Ken Tamplin's integrity.

I'm reserving my opinion for several weeks to see what happens.

Waiting for what? This escalated quickly over the past week and a half. It's resulted in multiple responses from Fil at Wings of Pegasus, due to fanboys blindly defending Ken despite the evidence. It's also resulted in an "explanation" from Ken that really isnt an explanation so much as it is a gaslighting of anyone who doesn't accept Ken's assertion that anyone who questions him is wrong.

Despite your claim to the contrary, it appears that you are blindly loyal. You have that right, but it's pretty sad.

alldatndensum wrote:My opinion? A bunch of keyboard warriors saw someone being attacked and went after Ken like a bunch a starving sharks. Rather than pray for him and work to restore, they got their claws out to rip him to shreds. This controversy is a HUGE reason why non-Christians want nothing to do with Jesus. They don't see His followers behaving much differently than Satan's followers.

Unless Ken wronged someone personally, everyone else (me as well) need to butt out and leave this alone if we don't know the truth for sure.

This is a perfect example of why Ken has gotten away with being less than honest for so long, and why he feels that he can deflect and ride this out.

He screwed up. That's the truth. Claiming otherwise, and wrapping those claims in warm-fuzzy Christian aphorisms is part of the problem. I'd counter that it's the fact that Evangelical Christianity has such a problem with these sorts of situations, whether it's Ken Tamplin or Ted Haggard, is why non-believers are put off.

by Guest Fri Oct 04, 2024 9:24 am

MagnusPrime wrote:
TZ75 wrote:His alleged cousin (Sammy Hagar)

"Mr. Hagar, you are hereby charged with being related to Ken Tamplin. How do you plead?"

by Guest Fri Oct 04, 2024 9:30 am

alldatndensum wrote:My opinion? A bunch of keyboard warriors saw someone being attacked and went after Ken like a bunch a starving sharks. Rather than pray for him and work to restore, they got their claws out to rip him to shreds. This controversy is a HUGE reason why non-Christians want nothing to do with Jesus. They don't see His followers behaving much differently than Satan's followers.

Unless Ken wronged someone personally, everyone else (me as well) need to butt out and leave this alone if we don't know the truth for sure.

Actually, the converse is true. Blind loyalty is unfortunately a symptom of these gullible times, and is borderline (pun intended?) cultic. Your scurrilous ad hominem RE "keyboard warrior " can also be applied to you and to your fellow blind KT defenders. Ken and slop jockeys of his ilk will continue to gaslight and evade if the undiscerning keep rationalizing their amoral behavior.

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