Roger Martinez interview on Atheists Having Cocktails with Christians

I finally found it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuRt3vE2k8o

Notice Roger always has that mischievous smirk on his face.

Cool thanks watch this later.

Wow! Thanks a TON for sharing...

just interesting to see him FINALLY come out of reclusion and give a decent interview

the interviewer has a cool shirt on... that design originally had the demon and Vengeance logo on the BACK. That might be a bootleg? I'd sure like to find out!

Anyway, looking forward to the rest of the interviews...

a shame he's still an unbeliever, but besides his comments on that, it's cool to hear the other commenting and info.

Interesting. Reminds of someone I used to know, always going from extreme to extreme. Everyone's entitled to change their minds, but heck may as well except that once he had extreme views on the christian side of things and called out anyone that disagreed with that with all the hell fire and brimstone one could wish for. Now the roundabout is in the extreme reverse but with same pattern and mindset at work... You'd think one would step back after a time of contradictions and just shrug their shoulders and admit they don't know the answer and no one does. Least in my case I have learned that anyone that has extreme beliefs and is cocksure of themselves I grow well wary of Lest he got over the "satanic" phase, as one does. Good to see he's doing all right too.

Thanks for sharing good to see where Roger's at.

Someone in the comments under the video referred to Bearing Gruesome Cargo by Tourniquet to describe Roger’s bitterness. So very true!

It’s so tiring to see the same old excuses and arguments from the atheist side. They always say how Christianity has caused so much death and destruction in history. Especially the medieval crusades…

But they completely ignore the extreme death tolls of Joseph Stalin and Mao (both were atheist). Both had a much higher death toll than Hitler’s regime. They don’t bother talking about the slaughter that the Muslim world has caused with it’s worldwide expansion in history. 

They also act like the only pedophiles on earth are priests or pastors. Do they care when an atheist person molests children? If they cared, they’d call themselves out too. Let’s face it, humans are evil wrongdoers. Who are they gonna point the finger at if they succeeded to rid the world of religion? (specifically Christianity). 
They just use Christian morals against itself. If you take away God, what system of thought will condemn wrongdoing? If there’s no God, there’s no law. “Sin” won’t exist.

TZ nailed it.

TZ75 wrote:It’s so tiring to see the same old excuses and arguments from the atheist side. They always say how Christianity has caused so much death and destruction in history. Especially the medieval crusades…

But they completely ignore the extreme death tolls of Joseph Stalin and Mao (both were atheist). Both had a much higher death toll than Hitler’s regime. They don’t bother talking about the slaughter that the Muslim world has caused with it’s worldwide expansion in history. 

They also act like the only pedophiles on earth are priests or pastors. Do they care when an atheist person molests children? If they cared, they’d call themselves out too. Let’s face it, humans are evil wrongdoers. Who are they gonna point the finger at if they succeeded to rid the world of religion? (specifically Christianity). 
They just use Christian morals against itself. If you take away God, what system of thought will condemn wrongdoing? If there’s no God, there’s no law. “Sin” won’t exist.

We're living in a world that has lost the fear of God. The fear of consequence. Gliding into hell on a rainbow slip-n-slide.

MagnusPrime wrote:

TZ75 wrote:It’s so tiring to see the same old excuses and arguments from the atheist side. They always say how Christianity has caused so much death and destruction in history. Especially the medieval crusades…

But they completely ignore the extreme death tolls of Joseph Stalin and Mao (both were atheist). Both had a much higher death toll than Hitler’s regime. They don’t bother talking about the slaughter that the Muslim world has caused with it’s worldwide expansion in history. 

They also act like the only pedophiles on earth are priests or pastors. Do they care when an atheist person molests children? If they cared, they’d call themselves out too. Let’s face it, humans are evil wrongdoers. Who are they gonna point the finger at if they succeeded to rid the world of religion? (specifically Christianity). 
They just use Christian morals against itself. If you take away God, what system of thought will condemn wrongdoing? If there’s no God, there’s no law. “Sin” won’t exist.

We're living in a world that has lost the fear of God. The fear of consequence. Gliding into hell on a rainbow slip-n-slide.

 great point.

watch this:

https://youtu.be/p9WII_5CLuU

Yeah that was hard to watch. BTW have you guys seen the episode with Jimmy P. Brown? I listened to it late at night and I am not a native speaker so I might have got some things wrong but did Jimmy really claim that Jesus studied theology to become a rabbi and that he was married?

Raegoul wrote:Yeah that was hard to watch. BTW have you guys seen the episode with Jimmy P. Brown? I listened to it late at night and I am not a native speaker so I might have got some things wrong but did Jimmy really claim that Jesus studied theology to become a rabbi and that he was married?

Do you have a time stamp for that in the JPBII video?

Pethead wrote:

Raegoul wrote:Yeah that was hard to watch. BTW have you guys seen the episode with Jimmy P. Brown? I listened to it late at night and I am not a native speaker so I might have got some things wrong but did Jimmy really claim that Jesus studied theology to become a rabbi and that he was married?

Do you have a time stamp for that in the JPBII video?

Looked it up it starts at 1:39 (in part II, there are two videos).

Dude, it sure sounds like that. What I heard sounded awfully close to heresy.

Raegoul wrote:Yeah that was hard to watch. BTW have you guys seen the episode with Jimmy P. Brown? I listened to it late at night and I am not a native speaker so I might have got some things wrong but did Jimmy really claim that Jesus studied theology to become a rabbi and that he was married?

Jimmy has a misunderstanding of why Jesus is a rabbi. Jesus was not formally trained, he was a carpenter's son. 

* That's why the people in John 7:15 said, "And the Jews marveled, saying, "How does this man know letters, having never studied?" 

* It is the reason why they were offended at him in Matthew 13:54-56 "When he had come to his own country, he taught them in their synagogue, so that they were astonished and said "where did this man get this wisdom and these mighty works? Is this not the carpenter's son? Is not his mother called Mary? And his brothers James, Joses, Simon, and Judas? And his sisters, are they not all with us? Where then did the man get all these things? 

* It is the reason why the priests and elders asked him by what authority he did and taught what he did? (Matt 21:23) They expected him to name a rabbi that he did his formal studies under. Paul had such credentials under Gamaliel (Acts 22:3), a teacher of teachers, a rabbi of rabbis, Jesus didn't.

Jesus was not a teacher in a line of men with formal study, he is the Son of God. He is the source of all wisdom and therefore is THE rabbi, THE teacher.


I'm not trying to be mean but if every Christian for 2,000 years including the apostles missed a revelation you personally discovered through something esoteric, I'd be more than wary.

I don't think what he said in this regard was the most problematic statement.

I hardly care anymore what so called christian musicians say or sing about, so many embrace heterodox or heretical stuff it's crazy.

Frozen Fire wrote:

Raegoul wrote:Yeah that was hard to watch. BTW have you guys seen the episode with Jimmy P. Brown? I listened to it late at night and I am not a native speaker so I might have got some things wrong but did Jimmy really claim that Jesus studied theology to become a rabbi and that he was married?

Jimmy has a misunderstanding of why Jesus is a rabbi. Jesus was not formally trained, he was a carpenter's son. 

* That's why the people in John 7:15 said, "And the Jews marveled, saying, "How does this man know letters, having never studied?" 

* It is the reason why they were offended at him in Matthew 13:54-56 "When he had come to his own country, he taught them in their synagogue, so that they were astonished and said "where did this man get this wisdom and these mighty works? Is this not the carpenter's son? Is not his mother called Mary? And his brothers James, Joses, Simon, and Judas? And his sisters, are they not all with us? Where then did the man get all these things? 

* It is the reason why the priests and elders asked him by what authority he did and taught what he did? (Matt 21:23) They expected him to name a rabbi that he did his formal studies under. Paul had such credentials under Gamaliel (Acts 22:3), a teacher of teachers, a rabbi of rabbis, Jesus didn't.

Jesus was not a teacher in a line of men with formal study, he is the Son of God. He is the source of all wisdom and therefore is THE rabbi, THE teacher.


I'm not trying to be mean but if every Christian for 2,000 years including the apostles missed a revelation you personally discovered through something esoteric, I'd be more than wary.

I don't think what he said in this regard was the most problematic statement.

Absolutely. His statements have no basis in fact.

Black Rider wrote:I hardly care anymore what so called christian musicians say or sing about, so many embrace heterodox or heretical stuff it's crazy.

If you need me, I’ll be spinning my secular albums instead.

Black Rider wrote:I hardly care anymore what so called christian musicians say or sing about, so many embrace heterodox or heretical stuff it's crazy.

Come on now, don't you wanna be "enlightened" like all the cool kids these days?

This fallen world is really taking a toll on a lot of people.

Pethead wrote:Dude, it sure sounds like that. What I heard sounded awfully close to heresy.

Bummer. It sucked already enough to get the confirmation Roger hadn't changed but it sucks even more to see Jimmy talking like this...

I expect a brand new believer to unintentionally spout nonsense. I expect someone who has ostensibly been a believer for decades to have a better grasp of Scripture and doctrine.

Pethead wrote:I expect a brand new believer to unintentionally spout nonsense. I expect someone who has ostensibly been a believer for decades to have a better grasp of Scripture and doctrine.

I expect quite a lot of nonsense on a brand new Believer record as well.

Raegoul wrote:

Pethead wrote:I expect a brand new believer to unintentionally spout nonsense. I expect someone who has ostensibly been a believer for decades to have a better grasp of Scripture and doctrine.

I expect quite a lot of nonsense on a brand new Believer record as well.

Well played, sir.

Should Believer change their name to Deceiver?

TZ75 wrote:Should Believer change their name to Deceiver?

No, into Beerlover