Coronavirus - What is your local situation?

DilemnaNation wrote:If you choose to keep believing that any of this is real, then go ahead.  I'm certainly not stopping you.

DilemnaNation wrote:You mock what you don't understand instead of taking the time to investigate for yourself.  This is the very definition of ignorance.

DilemnaNation wrote:Your worldview doesn't seem to allow for any conspiratorial "shenanigans" at all, yet you claim to be a believer in Christ. I would suggest that you go back to Genesis and see that the "shenanigans" started in the Garden.

I think I have a better definition of ignorance. Not because of information at all, but because of expectations.
Played out as a conversation,

You know out of all the reading, discussing and national news regarding what's going on with the coronavirus? Yeah, that's all lies. Why? Because one guy, on one forum, who only posts in 1 thread, says it is. What's his proof? Some articles he found, and some interpretations he has of them. How does he know he's right? He never says. Its just a walls of paragraphs making noise, on how his obscure articles he found are right, but all other information that says any different, is wrong. We're ignorant if we doubt what he's said.
He'll also attack people's faith as a Christian too, if they push back to what he's saying.

Wait, so how is he not ignorant for thinking that anyone would believe an anonymous, on one forum, who only posts in 1 thread, over all other experts, local family, friends and news? That's an amazing question, and I can only speculate that its either due to pride, or defect of character.

What’s my local situation? Well, I live here in One of the five boroughs of New York City and I work for the city and state of New York. I’m considered an essential worker and in the past few months I have lost my immediate boss and three of my co workers whom I’ve known and worked with for the last 28 years to Covid-19. My wife works in the local Hospital and has been involved first hand with COVID-19 patients and has witnessed death firsthand from this virus. So, when I read about all the conspiracy nonsense please understand how I see it a bit differently. 

Understandably, different parts of the country or world for that matter will not have the high rates of sickness and death as a major city would, but make no mistake .... this is no conspiracy! When you see the sickness and death firsthand you will undoubtedly agree with me. I pray that everyone reading this is safe and healthy and has the Lords mighty protection over them.

I thank God that he has protected my wife and I and both our families and we have not had a positive test yet. Due to our jobs, we have been tested quite a few times and we both recently had the anti body testing done and have come up 100% negative.

There is a lot of crap and nonsense going on with politics and this virus and just life in general but as Christians we must remain strong and confident in Christ. Remember, we are to be a beacon in the darkness of this world...and the only way to peace is through knowing Jesus Christ as our Saviour.

ThomasEversole wrote:I think I have a better definition of ignorance.  Not because of information at all, but because of expectations.
Played out as a conversation,

You know out of all the reading, discussing and national news regarding what's going on with the coronavirus?  Yeah, that's all lies.  Why?  Because one guy, on one forum, who only posts in 1 thread, says it is.  What's his proof?  Some articles he found, and some interpretations he has of them.  How does he know he's right?  He never says.  Its just a walls of paragraphs making noise, on how his obscure articles he found are right, but all other information that says any different, is wrong.  We're ignorant if we doubt what he's said.
He'll also attack people's faith as a Christian too, if they push back to what he's saying.  

Wait, so how is he not ignorant for thinking that anyone would believe an anonymous, on one forum, who only posts in 1 thread, over all other experts, local family, friends and news?  That's an amazing question, and I can only speculate that its either due to pride, or defect of character.

One word: Gnosticism.

I like how a certain someone manages to acknowledge certain statements in a post, but ignore the statements in that same post that prove him wrong.....

Ammocas wrote:...in the past few months I have lost my immediate boss and three of my co workers whom I’ve known and worked with for the last 28 years to Covid-19. My wife works in the local Hospital and has been involved first hand with COVID-19 patients and has witnessed death firsthand from this virus. So, when I read about all the conspiracy nonsense please understand how I see it a bit differently. 

Wow, I am so sorry you lost your boss and the co-workers to Covid.  That's sad to hear.

I know people who have lost family members to this virus.  I agree that the pandemic is overblown, being used as a political, weapon, used by Democrat politicians to control and harass people, and was possibly unleashed on us deliberately and with evil intent.  But at the same time I know without a doubt that there is a virus, it is very real, and it is killing people.

These ideas about this virus are not mutually exclusive.  It is possible for there to be a real virus at the same time that said virus can be used for nefarious purposes from all directions.

The people who insist that the "virus is a hoax and doesn't exist" remind me of how I used to be when I was much younger and a newer Christian.  My thinking and reasoning were black and white, legalistic, judgmental, no shades of gray.  If I insisted that something was true about someone else, then in my mind it was true...even if I knew very little about them and nothing about their motives.  But when you are insecure and fearful and want to have a sense of control, these are some of the ways in which you seek that sense of control.   As we mature, we hopefully get past a lot of the black and white thinking and embrace the complexities and nuances of life.  And we hopefully begin to loosen our grip on everything around us and learn to embrace the uncertainties of life, or at least accept that they are there.  There's a lot more I would like to say but will leave it there for now.

Back in May my sister-in-law in Georgia tested positive for it and had a rough week and half of great exhaustion with it.

Four weeks ago my grandmother's nursing home had an outbreak. She passed from it on Monday in the hospital. She was unresponsive in the hospital since she had arrived last week. Thankfully my youngest brother was able to suit up and go visit her, sing to her, read the 23rd Psalm to her and tell her how much we loved her. She passed a few hours later.

Currently my brother in Nashville has it and has a headache, lack of taste and smell and tiredness. He is doing well but got it from his mother-in-law in Arizona who is still sick. He is teaching his classes from home as middle school teacher.

Currently we are waiting on test results for my 3 year old and 8 month old preemie. Our three year old daughter's preschool teacher tested positive and our daughter has had some notable cold-like symptoms for about a week and the little one has been really suffering through the same at home being prescribed in inhaler to help him since he's having a really hard time breathing while trying to sleep (the reason I'm currently typing this). I have stayed home from school the past two days myself and will have to be quarantined the next week or so depending on the results of those two's tests along with our older boys. My wife, myself, and the older two are doing well though I was abnormally tired the last few days with mild symptoms. We're hoping we just have a nasty cold around our house otherwise I won't be able to attend my grandmother's service which I am actually supposed to officiate (I'm a pastor and a teacher).

Frozen Fire wrote:Back in May my sister-in-law in Georgia tested positive for it and had a rough week and half of great exhaustion with it.

Four weeks ago my grandmother's nursing home had an outbreak. She passed from it on Monday in the hospital. She was unresponsive in the hospital since she had arrived last week. Thankfully my youngest brother was able to suit up and go visit her, sing to her, read the 23rd Psalm to her and tell her how much we loved her. She passed a few hours later.

Currently my brother in Nashville has it and has a headache, lack of taste and smell and tiredness. He is doing well but got it from his mother-in-law in Arizona who is still sick. He is teaching his classes from home as middle school teacher.

Currently we are waiting on test results for my 3 year old and 8 month old preemie. Our three year old daughter's preschool teacher tested positive and our daughter has had some notable cold-like symptoms for about a week and the little one has been really suffering through the same at home being prescribed in inhaler to help him since he's having a really hard time breathing while trying to sleep (the reason I'm currently typing this). I have stayed home from school the past two days myself and will have to be quarantined the next week or so depending on the results of those two's tests along with our older boys. My wife, myself, and the older two are doing well though I was abnormally tired the last few days with mild symptoms. We're hoping we just have a nasty cold around our house otherwise I won't be able to attend my grandmother's service which I am actually supposed to officiate (I'm a pastor and a teacher).

So sorry to hear all that. Praying for you and the family.

My parents both tested positive for COVID. I've been keeping fairly close tabs on them, but they both feel ok. They're quite bored though, having to quarantine.

They got this letter from the local health department that is just bizzare. It was basically this formal agreement to sign and return, saying they agreed to follow "quarantine rules", or else the health department would file criminal charges with the court.

deathisgain wrote:

Frozen Fire wrote:Back in May my sister-in-law in Georgia tested positive for it and had a rough week and half of great exhaustion with it.

Four weeks ago my grandmother's nursing home had an outbreak. She passed from it on Monday in the hospital. She was unresponsive in the hospital since she had arrived last week. Thankfully my youngest brother was able to suit up and go visit her, sing to her, read the 23rd Psalm to her and tell her how much we loved her. She passed a few hours later.

Currently my brother in Nashville has it and has a headache, lack of taste and smell and tiredness. He is doing well but got it from his mother-in-law in Arizona who is still sick. He is teaching his classes from home as middle school teacher.

Currently we are waiting on test results for my 3 year old and 8 month old preemie. Our three year old daughter's preschool teacher tested positive and our daughter has had some notable cold-like symptoms for about a week and the little one has been really suffering through the same at home being prescribed in inhaler to help him since he's having a really hard time breathing while trying to sleep (the reason I'm currently typing this). I have stayed home from school the past two days myself and will have to be quarantined the next week or so depending on the results of those two's tests along with our older boys. My wife, myself, and the older two are doing well though I was abnormally tired the last few days with mild symptoms. We're hoping we just have a nasty cold around our house otherwise I won't be able to attend my grandmother's service which I am actually supposed to officiate (I'm a pastor and a teacher).

So sorry to hear all that. Praying for you and the family.

Thank you!

Thankfully my kids tested negative for COVID so I'm back at work. My brother is back tomorrow after 10 days out and is feeling back to normal. My grandmother's service was wonderful! God helped me through and supplied through her faith and the testimony of her life.

ThomasEversole wrote:My parents both tested positive for COVID. I've been keeping fairly close tabs on them, but they both feel ok. They're quite bored though, having to quarantine.

They got this letter from the local health department that is just bizzare. It was basically this formal agreement to sign and return, saying they agreed to follow "quarantine rules", or else the health department would file criminal charges with the court.

The health department in our county here in Tennessee really dropped the ball on us.  Despite being given my wife's cell phone number, they used our old landline they had on file from many years ago.  We don't answer it and only have it because AT&T won't let you have internet without a land line.  They tried to call her once by their own admission.  My wife's former employer told her she needed to be checking in with the health department regularly.  She called them, and they had already closed her case.

I found out today when I went back to the clinic where we both were tested that the health department should have also been calling to check on me while I was in quarantine after having been around my wife.  I had given the clinic my current phone number and made sure they removed my house number from their records.  The health department has sent us no letters and made no calls.

We were supposed to get a letter from the CDC when my wife tested positive.  We received nothing to date, and that was 25 days ago.  And then they wonder why so many Americans trust everything they have been told about this.

alldatndensum wrote:The health department in our county here in Tennessee really dropped the ball on us.

alldatndensum wrote:And then they wonder why so many Americans trust everything they have been told about this.

Yeesh.  It seems like approach between health departments isn't consistent at all.  Sorry they all but neglected you and your wife.

I talked to my mom after making my last post here, and was asking more about that letter they got.  It makes even less sense now.  Both my parents, I think, have been talking to the health department by phone, daily, and said the calls were friendly and of course mom and dad agreed to the quarantine rules.  Nothing to them indicated a verbal confirmation wasn't good enough.

THEN they get this letter that's practically a "cease and desist" letter.  I haven't seen it myself, but both my parents made it sound like if they didn't sign it and return it by a certain date (saying they agree to quarantine), that some police officers would drag them out of their home and "quarantine them somewhere else".

Welcome to AmeriKa.

"It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of light, it was the season of darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair."

- Charles Dickens, A Tale of Two Cities

ThomasEversole wrote:that some police officers would drag them out of their home and "quarantine them somewhere else".

Then I talked to someone else, they said that in their state, anyone who doesn't sign "that letter", ends up getting some police officers to come over with ankle bracelets. The track-your-every movement kind.

ThomasEversole wrote:

ThomasEversole wrote:that some police officers would drag them out of their home and "quarantine them somewhere else".

Then I talked to someone else, they said that in their state, anyone who doesn't sign "that letter", ends up getting some police officers to come over with ankle bracelets. The track-your-every movement kind.

Wonder how they'll be able to do that since they want to "defund the police"

Yikes...
https://thedonald.win/p/11PVtnTJUV/we-told-you-we-told-you--if-you-/

This is just quarantine which countries have done with any outbreak of disease for centuries. We are doing something similar in Australia with people returning from overseas. It really gets to me that the right wing are making more of this than it deserves and trying to scare people.

^Well I dunno, I think it's a fair bit more than just quarantine. It's one thing to ask people to quarantine inside their homes... but something else entirely to remove people and their entire families to other locations - with or without their consent - and forcing medical treatment (or longer stays), all without any due process. Also, keep in mind that (AFAIK) these tests are still ripe with false positives because they can't differentiate between covid-19 and the numerous other corona viruses. So it's certain that many perfectly healthy folks are being ripped from their homes and livelihoods for no reason (all at the tax-payers' expense, of course). That sounds pretty tyrannical to me!

I think this is a case of different perspectives. To you in the US this is a gross violation of rights whereas here, in our part of the world, we just say fair enough as long as you treat those in quarantine well.

Erasmus, here in America we are in a situation where our freedoms, liberties, and speech have been eroded in recent years, by certain political factions - and those factions promise even more erosion if they win power in November. So yes, I'd say from our perspective when we hear of things like "camps," it sets off alarms because some of them - including the person who ran against Donald Trump - have talked about putting us in forced "re-education camps." These are people who have proven themselves to not be trustworthy or altruistic and so things like this are met with great suspicion.

Kerrick wrote:^Well I dunno, I think it's a fair bit more than just quarantine.  It's one thing to ask people to quarantine inside their homes... but something else entirely to remove people and their entire families to other locations - with or without their consent - and forcing medical treatment (or longer stays), all without any due process.  Also, keep in mind that (AFAIK) these tests are still ripe with false positives because they can't differentiate between covid-19 and the numerous other corona viruses.  So it's certain that many perfectly healthy folks are being ripped from their homes and livelihoods for no reason (all at the tax-payers' expense, of course).  That sounds pretty tyrannical to me!

Also, remember that the CDC now says that 80% of those who have had the virus wore masks.

https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/12/cdc-study-finds-overwhelming-majority-of-people-getting-coronavirus-wore-masks/

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/pdfs/mm6936a5-H.pdf

alldatndensum wrote:
Also, remember that the CDC now says that 80% of those who have had the virus wore masks.

But who said that those masks are giving any protection to the people who are wearing them? They are just hampering the air flow to limit the range of your exhaled air...
This study just confirms a very old standard of knowledge. 

Oh joy.  Our corrupt and incompetent politicians told us we are getting another FULL lockdown right after Christmas.  Meanwhile, our tone-deaf, sociopathic governor is holding a $10,000 a plate, celebrity fundraiser for himself while he continues to bankrupt restaurants and small businesses here.

Holding a fundraiser for them probably never crossed his narcissistic mind.

No wonder some of the wealthy are fleeing the state.  They're sick and tired.
Wish I could leave too.

*The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants*-Thomas Jefferson.

It's about time to to refresh the tree of liberty.

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My school system has gone full remote this week.  I am super bored without my special ed. kids.  As a teacher's aid, I am supposed to be utilized making phone calls to parents of kids who are not logging on for virtual classes or are falling behind while on remote.  However, they haven't asked any of us to do anything, so I am just sitting.  I am thankful to be working and getting paid, but we are seriously wasting tax payer dollars here.