Why Do Most People On Here Hate All "Core" Genres?

Kerrick wrote:For me, it's the overall feel and conveyed emotions of the music.  The -core genre (to my ears) tends to be very angsty, tough-guy (yet simultaneously emo/whiny), and overly emotional.  I just don't resonate with any of that.

The vocals are where most of that comes through:  The harsh vocals generally have an especially angsty feel to them which I don't care for, but the clean vocals all sound so incredibly generic and wimpy/whiny.  Different/better vocals would elevate most metalcore significantly IMO.  But the songs tend to be much more pop-rock in their structure which is not something I gravitate towards either.

One thing I will give to -core is that the music lends itself pretty well for high-energy live shows with very active mosh pits.  So that's cool. 

Yeah I would agree about the angsty quality. I know I’ve made the comparison before but to me metalcore sounds like “Linkin Park metal.” Which is not a good thing

Pethead wrote:

Temple of Blood wrote:

Christian Thrash Rules wrote:Lot's of times I'll bring up a band that is some type of core and people say how much they hate it. Chunk! No, Captain Chunk!: Easycore - Pop-Punk with down-tuned riffs, breakdowns, and growling vocals(not constantly though). For Today: Metalcore - Metalcore. Saving Grace: Deathrashcore - Death metal vocals, thrash metal instrumentation, and breakdowns. etc. Why do y'all hate it?

You have no idea how bad things were for actual metal for 2000-2010.  Core bands were EVERYWHERE.  The songs just didn't stand the test of time.  The guitarists and singers were VERY VERY limited and after 30 seconds or so you had heard it all.

And 2006ish was when I was diving into heavier styles and it was just CORE CORE CORE!!!

We were playing a lot of shows back then and every local scene had 15 metalcore bands.  People would try to tell us they were "thrash-influenced" too, while we were tuned to standard and playing Overkill/Megadeth covers.

seth wrote:

Kerrick wrote:For me, it's the overall feel and conveyed emotions of the music.  The -core genre (to my ears) tends to be very angsty, tough-guy (yet simultaneously emo/whiny), and overly emotional.  I just don't resonate with any of that.

The vocals are where most of that comes through:  The harsh vocals generally have an especially angsty feel to them which I don't care for, but the clean vocals all sound so incredibly generic and wimpy/whiny.  Different/better vocals would elevate most metalcore significantly IMO.  But the songs tend to be much more pop-rock in their structure which is not something I gravitate towards either.

One thing I will give to -core is that the music lends itself pretty well for high-energy live shows with very active mosh pits.  So that's cool. 

Yeah I would agree about the angsty quality. I know I’ve made the comparison before but to me metalcore sounds like “Linkin Park metal.” Which is not a good thing

I enjoy Linkin Park actually.

Even if I liked FT, Mattie's stance on gay marriage ruins it for me.

Funny, I'm a big Zao fan (and seen them live several times) as well as the ground breaking Reborn album by Living Sacrifice, but I don't care for most metalcore or scream-o.  I just don't like what it evolved into, especially the clean vocals that are so wimpy with auto-tune to boot (yuck!) and I hate most the drum production.  Its just not an organic sounding musical form where as Zao was very real and earthy.

Black Rider wrote:Even if I liked FT, Mattie's stance on gay marriage ruins it for me.

Yeah... Switchfoot too. But FT broke up I think so.

Christian Thrash Rules wrote:Lot's of times I'll bring up a band that is some type of core and people say how much they hate it. Chunk! No, Captain Chunk!: Easycore - Pop-Punk with down-tuned riffs, breakdowns, and growling vocals(not constantly though). For Today: Metalcore - Metalcore. Saving Grace: Deathrashcore - Death metal vocals, thrash metal instrumentation, and breakdowns. etc. Why do y'all hate it?

The vocals turn me off instantly.  I don't like being yelled at like I did something wrong.  They are too abrasive.  Also, the screaming comes off as monotone, and I am not paying to have someone sing a single note, so I don't want a screamer doing the same thing.  It's nerve wracking and seems like a total waste of vocal ability to me.

Musically, I can't say I listen very long.  The vocals are so off-putting that I rarely sample anything from this genre for more than a few seconds.

They all sound the same.

And there's a MILLION of them.

If there's anything out there that truly sounds AI generated, it's the "-core" stuff.

Metal aesthetics vomited randomly over pop-punk pseudo-angst. 

The most overrated, oversaturated heavy music genre of all.

Like ToB said, NONE of it stands the test of time.

A lot of these bands are made up of good musicians, but good musicianship doesn't mean a thing without good songwriting/arranging skills.

MagnusPrime wrote:They all sound the same.

And there's a MILLION of them.

If there's anything out there that truly sounds AI generated, it's the "-core" stuff.

Metal aesthetics vomited randomly over pop-punk pseudo-angst. 

The most overrated, oversaturated heavy music genre of all.

Like ToB said, NONE of it stands the test of time.

A lot of these bands are made up of good musicians, but good musicianship doesn't mean a thing without good songwriting/arranging skills.

It's pretty much all of this.  

I do enjoy the -core sound, I just don't talk about it on this forum much.  And like MagnusPrime said, there is too much of it that all sounds the same.  I enjoy the sound, but it's a rare individual band that stands out from the others.  At best you get different sounds from different vocalists.

Its pretty much why I quit posting on here years ago.

I have broadened my listening habits to all styles of metal, but the modern bands that I go see live, and that are still putting out music are the bands that I enjoy most. Whenever I post them here they either get shot down or no one ever replies lol. I get that this community is just made up of people that are into more traditional and pre-2000's oriented bands, which is great! Because everywhere else online that I post classic Christian bands, people rarely know who they even are. There is definitely a bias here against core, but in all honesty its for the better, since classic and more traditional metal are absolutely underappreciated and underrepresented in today's music scene!

I am not against metalcore as a genre and sometimes a song or two is good for a change of pace.  

But most metalcore songs I hear sound almost exactly the same, which is bad enough but is also something I can say about other genres too.   

But...where it really hits a head for me is the constant screaming / yelling vocals.  Total turn-off.  If you want to scream in certain passages, that's one thing, but screaming & yelling throughout the entire song?   In some abrasive, caustic voice?   Nope, not for me.  To me that's not heavy, it's just tiresome and aggravating

Music should not be an endurance test.   If what I am hearing makes me feel irritated and worn down, then I am turning it off.   I don't care what genre it is or how popular it is.

Constantine wrote:I am not against metalcore as a genre and sometimes a song or two is good for a change of pace.  

But most metalcore songs I hear sound almost exactly the same, which is bad enough but is also something I can say about other genres too.   

But...where it really hits a head for me is the constant screaming / yelling vocals.  Total turn-off.  If you want to scream in certain passages, that's one thing, but screaming & yelling throughout the entire song?   In some abrasive, caustic voice?   Nope, not for me.  To me that's not heavy, it's just tiresome and aggravating

Music should not be an endurance test.   If what I am hearing makes me feel irritated and worn down, then I am turning it off.   I don't care what genre it is or how popular it is.

Is core better than a certain thrash band, Constantine?

Even though I don’t like core in general, I can sort of get how some people could enjoy some types like metalcore and deathcore. The one I absolutely do not understand how anyone could enjoy is grindcore. The small samples I have heard (from grindcore bands considered “good” by fans) have zero redeemable qualities whatsoever to justify the genre’s existence

StevenCressler wrote:

Is core better than a certain thrash band, Constantine?

Lol, let's....just...say....that these days I'd rather hear almost anything except that certain band because I'm so sick of hearing about them....!    

Yeah, we’ve got way too many Torn Flesh threads around here.

Pethead wrote:Yeah, we’ve got way too many Torn Flesh threads around here.

Well that's the crux of the mosh.

i'm in the "it's too samey, cookie cutter" camp

Christian Thrash Rules wrote:

Pethead wrote:And 2006ish was when I was diving into heavier styles and it was just CORE CORE CORE!!!

So... y'all are just tired of it? Just loved metal at the wrong time.

the 80's / early 90s were definitely the right time for loving metal...

I need to slow down!

At first glance I read the head line as

WHY DO MOST PEOPLE ON HERE HATE AL GORE?   

I do not like this music style a lot; I do not consider it metal. I like a few bands, such as POD, Demon Hunter, and Disciple.

Anyone remember "Mindrage?" Pretty sure that they were considered metalcore...

I think it's just because most of the people who regularly visit this board are older and are more interested in classic styles of metal.  Most Core all sounds the same to us, and is too angsty/whiny.  Our ears are attuned to different sounds.

That said, I am perhaps a little younger and grew up on first wave metalcore of the late 90s like Zao, Training for Utopia, Converge, Six Feet Deep, etc, so I like some Core still that doesn't have clean singing.  It's the emo singing that I can't stand in any metal.  I also don't like the operatic or prog/power vocals that a lot of people like here, though.

Core bands I've liked a lot the last 10 years have been Impending Doom, A Plea for Purging, Earth Groans, Those Who Fear, Deathbreaker, and Cultist.  But even some of those I think have generic vocals and riffs most of the time; I just like their name, concept, and album art, so that helps me buy into liking them.

strangerhoncho wrote:I think it's just because most of the people who regularly visit this board are older and are more interested in classic styles of metal.  Most Core all sounds the same to us, and is too angsty/whiny.  Our ears are attuned to different sounds.

That said, I am perhaps a little younger and grew up on first wave metalcore of the late 90s like Zao, Training for Utopia, Converge, Six Feet Deep, etc, so I like some Core still that doesn't have clean singing.  It's the emo singing that I can't stand in any metal.  I also don't like the operatic or prog/power vocals that a lot of people like here, though.

Core bands I've liked a lot the last 10 years have been Impending Doom, A Plea for Purging, Earth Groans, Those Who Fear, Deathbreaker, and Cultist.  But even some of those I think have generic vocals and riffs most of the time; I just like their name, concept, and album art, so that helps me buy into liking them.

I'm the youngest member here and I'm still not a fan of most core, though I like some like Living Sacrifice, Becoming the Archetype, and A Secret Ending

zelote wrote:I do not like this music style a lot; I do not consider it metal. I like a few bands, such as POD, Demon Hunter, and Disciple.

P.O.D and early Demon Hunter are Nu Metal. Disciple I'm not sure, definitely not core though.

Christian Thrash Rules wrote:

zelote wrote:I do not like this music style a lot; I do not consider it metal. I like a few bands, such as POD, Demon Hunter, and Disciple.

P.O.D and early Demon Hunter are Nu Metal. Disciple I'm not sure, definitely not core though.

Maybe Disciple is…Post Nu Metal