Mortification ~ Scrolls Of The Megilloth (Coming soon on vinyl on SOUNDMASS)

I have listened to the test pressings on vinyl and it sounds fantastic.  Even though I live in England I am helping Adam from Soundmass with sending out vinyls for the time being as Adam and family are in South Africa for at least a year.  Currently I am sending out orders for the 'Horde ~ Hellig Usvart' vinyl and it is selling pretty fast!!!  For Mortification and vinyl lovers I will keep you informed when 'SOTM' is available, seem to remember Adam thinks it will be about May time.

My Awesome Timothy wrote:I have listened to the test pressings on vinyl and it sounds fantastic.  Even though I live in England I am helping Adam from Soundmass with sending out vinyls for the time being as Adam and family are in South Africa for at least a year.  Currently I am sending out orders for the 'Horde ~ Hellig Usvart' vinyl and it is selling pretty fast!!!  For Mortification and vinyl lovers I will keep you informed when 'SOTM' is available, seem to remember Adam thinks it will be about May time.

I'll be a release with all the tracks ?

'Ancient Prophecy' won't be on the vinyl unfortunately.

What!!!! But that's the best song on the album.

Trouble72 wrote:What!!!! But that's the best song on the album.

I love that song too, if I were to take a song off it would be 'Raise The Chalice'..... Not that it's a bad song.

Why are you taking a song off the album.....it seems criminal to do so.........

The total playing time of "Scrolls" is nearly 60 minutes. That's way to much to fit on a single 12" vinyl. The original Nuclear Blast release had a 12" and an extra 7". This would be a very expensive solution for Soundmass cause they are definitely not releasing several thousand copies of it like NB did.
Without "Ancient Prophecy" the total playing time is around 47 minutes. That's still pretty much. Keep in mind: the optimal time per side is around 14 minutes!

Tobi Elektrik wrote:The total playing time of "Scrolls" is nearly 60 minutes. That's way to much to fit on a single 12" vinyl. The original Nuclear Blast release had a 12" and an extra 7". This would be a very expensive solution for Soundmass cause they are definitely not releasing several thousand copies of it like NB did.
Without "Ancient Prophecy" the total playing time is around 47 minutes. That's still pretty much. Keep in mind: the optimal time per side is around 14 minutes!

Very true,  would have loved it if Soundmass had released this as a double gatefold then we would have got all the tracks and maybe a couple of bonus tracks as well.  I love double vinyls!!!

I already have the original Scrolls vinyl with the 7". Will buy this anyway. Gotta  support Soundmass, they do an awesome job.

It make no sense to leave a song off. That's just weird. Lots of small bands and labels are doing double vinyl if needed.

And then there is King's X, that took albums that were on a single vinyl originally and re-issued them as double vinyl. Things are getting weird man, I think you. Weird man!

A double vinyl is nearly twice as expensive as a single vinyl. So it makes PERFECT sense to leave a song off to keep the costs reasonable.

Sure, it's not a perfect solution but without this compromise Soundmass wouldn't be able to release this on vinyl. As simple as that. You don't need to buy it. You can try to find the original NB version on ebay. But prices keep rising...

Tobi Elektrik wrote:A double vinyl is nearly twice as expensive as a single vinyl. So it makes PERFECT sense to leave a song off to keep the costs reasonable.

Sure, it's not a perfect solution but without this compromise Soundmass wouldn't be able to release this on vinyl. As simple as that. You don't need to buy it. You can try to find the original NB version on ebay. But prices keep rising...

Very true.  Maybe another option could be 'Ancient Prophecy' released as a 7" with something like the bonus track from Bloodworld as a side B?  Just an idea that I've shared with Adam (Soundmass).  I doubt it will be possible but no harm in suggesting I guess!!!

It is a budget thing fair enough. But I could not buy this album with out all the songs on it much like Kings x 4 self titled album without juniors gone wild on it...you feel it's absence.

Of course people don't have to buy it. But the budget thing is irrelevant - extra prices would be added to the final cost and passed along to the final buyer. So that basically means they think the buyers care more about saving a few bucks than getting all of the songs. I think they are wrong in that, therefore it makes no sense.

What people don't realize is that the actual vinyl costs aren't the main cost in making the vinyl. A double vinyl issue on black vinyl with everything standard comes out to be $8.11 per set for a run of 300 sets (with another $2-3 for the jacket). You can do the math here:

http://www.urpressing.com/quotegen2LP.php

Compare that with the $4.44 it costs for 300 of a standard set of single black vinyl (again with another $2-3 for a jacket):

http://www.urpressing.com/quotegen12.php

So yes, it is twice as much, but that is JUST in the materials area that adds about $4 more to the overall cost per vinyl, and once you figure in jackets it becomes less that twice as much. And it still stays about $4-5 difference even if you add color, 180g, etc, and other options like that.

Shipping also gets more expensive with double vinyl, but that is also another cost that is passed along to the buyer.

I've helped several projects price vinyl the past few years. I have never seen any pricing schemes that make this compromise make sense. Sorry. If Soundmass thinks people are too cheap to get the full album on double vinyl, then its probably a bad idea to release it at all. Roxx had a hard time selling their Vengeance Rising picture discs because people generally don't like picture discs. How much harder is it going to be to sell a vinyl with a missing song to the same market? Nearly impossible I'll wager.

Hmm... I used the quote generator and it gave me the following quotes:

single LP, red vinyl, 500 pcs - $7.35 per unit
double LP, red vinyl, gatefold cover, 500 pcs - $14.39

As you said: twice as much. With added VAT that's about $10 more you have to pass on to the customer.
And I assume that the main problem isn't just the price per unit but the sum of it. Soundmass isn't Warner Music or Sony BMG. Judged by the quote a double vinyl release would cost $4.300 (+shipping) - that's a HUGE amount of money for such a small label. And it's a risky business.

On the other hand I fully understand that it's a real bummer to see that a song on an album got removed just for economic reasons.
In all honesty: Even if I wouldn't have the original NB pressing (with the extra 7" - which also not a perfect solution IMO) I wouldn't be very eager to buy a reissue with a missing song.

Tobi Elektrik wrote:Hmm... I used the quote generator and it gave me the following quotes:

single LP, red vinyl, 500 pcs - $7.35 per unit
double LP, red vinyl, gatefold cover, 500 pcs - $14.39

As you said: twice as much. With added VAT that's about $10 more you have to pass on to the customer.
And I assume that the main problem isn't just the price per unit but the sum of it. Soundmass isn't Warner Music or Sony BMG. Judged by the quote a double vinyl release would cost $4.300 (+shipping) - that's a HUGE amount of money for such a small label. And it's a risky business.

On the other hand I fully understand that it's a real bummer to see that a song on an album got removed just for economic reasons.
In all honesty: Even if I wouldn't have the original NB pressing (with the extra 7" - which also not a perfect solution IMO) I wouldn't be very eager to buy a reissue with a missing song.

Especially if it's your favourite song on the album!!!

Tobi Elektrik wrote:Hmm... I used the quote generator and it gave me the following quotes:

single LP, red vinyl, 500 pcs - $7.35 per unit
double LP, red vinyl, gatefold cover, 500 pcs - $14.39

As you said: twice as much. With added VAT that's about $10 more you have to pass on to the customer.
And I assume that the main problem isn't just the price per unit but the sum of it. Soundmass isn't Warner Music or Sony BMG. Judged by the quote a double vinyl release would cost $4.300 (+shipping) - that's a HUGE amount of money for such a small label. And it's a risky business.

On the other hand I fully understand that it's a real bummer to see that a song on an album got removed just for economic reasons.
In all honesty: Even if I wouldn't have the original NB pressing (with the extra 7" - which also not a perfect solution IMO) I wouldn't be very eager to buy a reissue with a missing song.

Especially if it's your favourite song on the album!!!

grandeped wrote:Of course people don't have to buy it. But the budget thing is irrelevant - extra prices would be added to the final cost and passed along to the final buyer. So that basically means they think the buyers care more about saving a few bucks than getting all of the songs. I think they are wrong in that, therefore it makes no sense.

What people don't realize is that the actual vinyl costs aren't the main cost in making the vinyl. A double vinyl issue on black vinyl with everything standard comes out to be $8.11 per set for a run of 300 sets (with another $2-3 for the jacket). You can do the math here:

http://www.urpressing.com/quotegen2LP.php

Compare that with the $4.44 it costs for 300 of a standard set of single black vinyl (again with another $2-3 for a jacket):

http://www.urpressing.com/quotegen12.php

So yes, it is twice as much, but that is JUST in the materials area that adds about $4 more to the overall cost per vinyl, and once you figure in jackets it becomes less that twice as much. And it still stays about $4-5 difference even if you add color, 180g, etc, and other options like that.

Shipping also gets more expensive with double vinyl, but that is also another cost that is passed along to the buyer.

I've helped several projects price vinyl the past few years. I have never seen any pricing schemes that make this compromise make sense. Sorry. If Soundmass thinks people are too cheap to get the full album on double vinyl, then its probably a bad idea to release it at all. Roxx had a hard time selling their Vengeance Rising picture discs because people generally don't like picture discs. How much harder is it going to be to sell a vinyl with a missing song to the same market? Nearly impossible I'll wager.

Yeah I have to agree. People will pay the extra amount, knowing full well that a lot of these albums are also hard to get on vinyl, or will become so. Roxx is cutting off a lot of people who would otherwise but these albums if all the songs are there as on the original. I don't get it myself? But obviously there are people who will buy them regardless. Why would anyone buy the same price for less than the original? Not to mention just how annoying it would be to have any of it missing.......O.K. I said my piece.

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