Sacrament or The Crucified?

Both great bands with great albums. My favorite from each is their sophomore efforts, but I also dig the debuts. 

But which do you prefer?

Going with Sacrament here. Haunts of Violence is a top 10 Christian thrash album for me. 

(I bet I know who ToB is gonna vote for…)

This is close but I am going with The Crucified. I love hardcore punk, so crossover appeals to me a lot as well.

Sacrament barely because they have two great albums but Pillars is fire.

Crucified got Pillars so Crucified.

CLOSE YOUR EYES! RELEASE YOUR MIND!

I don't care as much for either band's debut albums. 

They both made excellent sophomore releases. I love both efforts.

Haunts Of Violence (just barely) beats The Pillars Of Humanity.

So I'm going with Sacrament.

MagnusPrime wrote:I don't care as much for either band's debut albums. 

I didn't care for either band.

The Crucified, hands down and it's not even close. One of the best bands ever, in any genre, secular or Christian.

Sacrament is ok but I do have an issue with the vocals, they seem to be all over the place from shouting to screaming to those strange lengthened death growls sometimes at the end of a bar.

I find the vocals on Haunts of Violence pretty consistent thrash shouting.

<---   duh!  ; )


the s/t is another one that goes in the "perfect record" category

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today's minority opinion: both debuts are their best...

Tough one.  I went with The Crucified.

I love Sacrament. 
I love The Crucified.

It’s very tough to choose these bands against each other.

I choose The Crucified. 
BR mentioned Pillars was fire. I agree.

Have to go with Sacrament.  Haunts is like a Top 20 Christian metal release for me, maybe even Top 10.

Love them both! 

But the Crucified was my favorite band for many years (and also my introduction to real Christian heavy music). 

My vote goes to The Crucified!

For the record, I love The Crucified’s s/t and Pillars equally.

I was a mega fan! I still love those albums. Crossover thrash was my thing. Stuff like Suicidal Tendencies and Sacred Reich.

Love both, but Crucified wins for me

crucifyd wrote:<---   duh!  ; )


the s/t is another one that goes in the "perfect record" category

and

today's minority opinion: both debuts are their best...

I mostly agree now… but it used to be the opposite. Especially for Sacrament. 

In all honesty, it’s always been almost a tie for the Cru albums. I think I favored Pillars for a while though.

On the s/t album I love the vocals and faster speed. On Pillars I love the heaviness and improved production. They’re a perfect combo! Kinda like Pantera’s CFH and Vulgar Display. I like that they are together on a single disc for “the collection” boxset.

I really like the Minier album and the playing of the drummer for The Crucified.

Other than that, for me it's Sacrament all the way.

Black Rider wrote:Sacrament barely because they have two great albums but Pillars is fire.

Diddo. Couldn't say it better. But I could say it with more words...

Whether you like The Crucified or not, they put on a very high energy and entertaining show back in their heyday. They didn’t just stand still behind their mics.

Temple of Blood wrote:I really like the Minier album and the playing of the drummer for The Crucified.

Other than that, for me it's Sacrament all the way.

I’m not surprised…

Your vocal style is the complete opposite of hardcore/punk vocals.

I can appreciate both, but sometimes actual singing doesn’t fit the context of the music. Sometimes screaming and shouting is needed. Sacrament didn’t use traditional singing either. They were similar to Slayer. The Crucified’s vocals were more like DRI and Minor Threat.

TZ75 wrote:They didn’t just stand still behind their mics.

If you have to play something like Holy Wars you won't be jumping off the drum riser and waving flags around.

TZ75 wrote:

Temple of Blood wrote:I really like the Minier album and the playing of the drummer for The Crucified.

Other than that, for me it's Sacrament all the way.

I’m not surprised…

Your vocal style is the complete opposite of hardcore/punk vocals.

I can appreciate both, but sometimes actual singing doesn’t fit the context of the music. Sometimes screaming and shouting is needed. Sacrament didn’t use traditional singing either. They were similar to Slayer. The Crucified’s vocals were more like DRI and Minor Threat.

My beef isn't really with the vocals like you assumed, though they're not special to me.

I do like DRI's music.

Temple of Blood wrote:

TZ75 wrote:They didn’t just stand still behind their mics.

If you have to play something like Holy Wars you won't be jumping off the drum riser and waving flags around.

That depends…

If it’s a band with a guitarist that also sings, I can see how they would be anchored more and concentrate on the playing. But if it’s a band like Overkill or Pantera with the vocalist separate from the guitars, the music can be intense and permit some stage movement. 

Besides, Holy Wars is just one song… Megadeth have a lot of slower stuff too (and Dave Mustaine and whoever the current lead player is) still do the same thing. I know Mustaine is older now and has had surgeries, but Megadeth has been statuesque for many years. His Rattlehead days were pretty much over after Rust in Peace came out. There is nothing wrong with standing still, some bands need to concentrate. My point was that The Crucified were a fun band to watch on stage back in the day.

Temple of Blood wrote:

TZ75 wrote:

Temple of Blood wrote:I really like the Minier album and the playing of the drummer for The Crucified.

Other than that, for me it's Sacrament all the way.

I’m not surprised…

Your vocal style is the complete opposite of hardcore/punk vocals.

I can appreciate both, but sometimes actual singing doesn’t fit the context of the music. Sometimes screaming and shouting is needed. Sacrament didn’t use traditional singing either. They were similar to Slayer. The Crucified’s vocals were more like DRI and Minor Threat.

My beef isn't really with the vocals like you assumed, though they're not special to me.

I do like DRI's music.

Then what exactly is your beef with them? I’m curious.