Van Zandt: Show nixed because N Carolina law is 'evil virus'

messiaen77 wrote:What crazy?  The crazy idea that all people deserve to be treated with a basic level of respect regardless of physiological or psychological differences provided they are not a harm to others?  Or the crazy idea that we have the right to make up laws that marginalize and discriminate against people whose only crime against society is that they don't fit the norm?

What I can't wrap my head around is how many people use the name of Christ to justify discrimination!  Jesus didn't discriminate against anyone.  He associated with sinners and the religious alike.  He was compassionate toward Jews and Samaritans alike.  Do we really think Jesus is pleased because we pass laws about who can pee where or that you don't have to provide good or services to people whose sin you don't approve of?  How many people do you think have been won for Jesus because Kim Davis refused to do her job in the name of Jesus?  How do any of these things advance the Kingdom of God??

Sorry that got a little rant-y.  I don't mean it personally toward you d@v!d.  I may disagree with you but I respect and defend your right to believe the way you do.  At the end of the day, we don't have to understand or approve of a person's lifestyle.  What we have to do is love those people as Christ loves them.

    13 For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would be heir of the world was not through the Law, but through the righteousness of faith. 14 For if those who are of the Law are heirs, faith is made void and the promise is nullified;

Galations 3:19-23
       19 Why the Law then? It was added because of transgressions, having been ordained through angels by the agency of a mediator, until the seed would come to whom the promise had been made. 20 Now a mediator is not for one party only; whereas God is only one. 21 Is the Law then contrary to the promises of God? May it never be! For if a law had been given which was able to impart life, then righteousness would indeed have been based on law. 22 But the Scripture has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
        23 But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed. 24 Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith.

 Matthew 23:1-3
1Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to His disciples, 2 saying: “The scribes and the Pharisees have seated themselves in the chair of Moses; 3 therefore all that they tell you, do and observe, but do not do according to their deeds; for they say things and do not do them

Savage Amusement wrote:These people are not living out a fantasy!!! Its the way they are wired!

Are you suggesting that every single transgender is a criminal?

Show me in scripture where is says being a transgendered person is evil...

d@v!d wrote:

Savage Amusement wrote:These people are not living out a fantasy!!! Its the way they are wired!

Says you...

Savage Amusement wrote:  this kinda stuff happens at stores all over town..walmart, JC Penney, Dillards...
At target in my city all the dressing rooms are together with men on one side and women on the other...so what..again david, its just not a big deal..as for target, i am an avid shopper and wont quit ..my money is their money ... ...if its a problem for you dont shop there..believe me when i say no one will miss ya..

Savage Amusement wrote:This is what all the bigotry and hatred breeds..I told my wife if this happened to her we are sending the hateful bigot to Jail...

http://www.sheknows.com/living/articles/1120615/target-bathroom

messiaen77 wrote:
Of course there is more of a social agenda at play, just not the way you see it.  Transgendered folks have been going to the bathroom of the sex they identify with forever.  But for some reason now it's dangerous because we have grown men going into stalls next to little girls just like we have had for decades.  The thing people don't understand is being transgendered isn't just playing dress up.  It isn't just some dude putting on a dress so he can feel pretty.  He truly doesn't see himself as a man.  So here's the common sense--don't legislate problems into existence.  Don't pretend that this legislation is really an attempt to protect anyone.

Here's the social agenda at play.  Conservatives are losing on homosexuality in the courts and really in the court of public opinion.  Americans in general have gotten comfortable with gays living amongst us.  Transgendered people, however, are still kinda icky to a lot of people.  Most of us can't wrap our minds around how a person can think they were born into the wrong body.  So public opinion is still that these people are freaks, and we don't do freaks well.  In fact, we tend to fear freaks.  That is what this legislation taps into.  These lawmakers are being forced to accept that homosexuals are no longer living in the shadows on the fringe of society, but they are not going to let trans people go mainstream.  So they pass legislation to keep our children safe by saying that if you have a penis, you are not allowed in women's restrooms.  Yeah that will do it, because child molesters are good law-biding people.

Look, I don't believe we should treat gay and transgendered people with disrespect, but why do we as a society need to embrace these things as if they were somehow something that promotes life and wholeness ? Confused sexuality and gender identity seems to be more dysfunctional over sound mental state ( and I don't mean this on the same level as something like schizophrenia ). In the past, these things would have been treated by therapy or counseling. But now certain segments of the culture want them to embrace who you they think they are and own it as normal and whole. Now of course, according to my world view the root problem is a spiritual one. But I don't think you can deny the cultural shift towards embracing what used to be seen as a disorder to now see it as something that is good for people.

Savage Amusement wrote:

Look, I don't believe we should treat gay and transgendered people with disrespect, but why do we as a society need to embrace these things as if they were somehow something that promotes life and wholeness ? Confused sexuality and gender identity seems to be more dysfunctional over sound mental state ( and I don't mean this on the same level as something like schizophrenia ). In the past, these things would have been treated by therapy or counseling. But now certain segments of the culture want them to embrace who you they think they are and own it as normal and whole. Now of course, according to my world view the root problem is a spiritual one. But I don't think you can deny the cultural shift towards embracing what used to be seen as a disorder to now see it as something that is good for people.

The mental health world has done studies and scientifically proved that these issues are not disorders.. i tend to think people are born the way they are and the only confusion comes from religious folks who refuse to understand the science and those who have decided what a man or women should look like and act like.. (Then again I guess in one angle it could be choice as we all choose who we are going to have sex with..)