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I am big fan of AILD and this whole situation made me realize how much we all need God's love in our hearts, I pray daily for Tim

Don't think I've ever heard one track from them...

This is why I have no problem listening to mostly secular metal. As I Lay Dying isn't the first band to fake their faith, and actually they allege many more that they toured with faked it as well. Id rather support an honest secular band than a secular band that parades as Christians.

Well for Ravenwolf/Candlemass

here is one of As I Lay Dying's most popular songs
from about 8 years ago

When they were still definitely a Christian band

I actually used to have a lot of respect for Tim and would often include "Behind Me Lies Another Fallen Soldier" when I played a worship themed show. I used to respect how it seemed even after gaining mainstream popularity that they were still releasing some songs that seemed to have clear Christian symbolism. "The Sound of Truth", while looking back I suppose it could have been from a anti-Christian point of view. That song at the time struck me as a wake up call to Christians, and how often when we pray we "hear" an answer that comes from our own mind, rather than waiting for God to answer, so as the song says "The truth that sounds right to your ears"

After some of the things he has said, even if AILD releases another album it will take some convincing for me to buy another of their albums. Its not so much about him not being a Christian, it more about his deliberate deception

So what's all this about Pastor Bob saying what a "great man of God" he is...

Candlemass wrote:So what's all this about Pastor Bob saying what a "great man of God" he is...

Everyone has their own opinion on him as you can tell by this thread

I personally believe he has returned to the faith but on the other side of the coin others dont think the same at all.

Take the articles here and believe what you want of him/them now

Either way they were a very big influence on me personally with albums such as Shadows Are Security and An Ocean Between Us

And I also recently saw the other members in Wovenwar in Walla Walla a month ago and of course I never brought up Tim and AILD but they were still very nice guys

CONFIRMED: AS I LAY DYING Frontman Tim Lambesis Released From Prison
http://www.metalinjection.net/shocking-revelations/as-i-lay-dying-frontman-tim-lambesis-reportedly-released-from-prison

There is a Lot to digest there. 

So, George Lynch's daughter was in a relationship with two members of AILD, And, he's talking about TL?     

I wish EVERYBODY well, Christian, non-Christian.....I am going to pray for his ex wife and kids.  I pray they have the peace that passes understanding....

Thank you for the update OSD.

He's a murderer and I hope the Christian scene is wise enough not to give this phony any more money.  But look at how well televangelists do so I know I'm asking too much.

Wow, I dont know if all George Lynch is saying is true, just have to wait till more info comes out but apparently hes engaged to who he was dating before his arrest as well

http://www.altpress.com/news/entry/update_as_i_lay_dying_frontman_tim_lambesis_freed_from_prison_apparently_ge

Temple of Blood wrote:He's a murderer and I hope the Christian scene is wise enough not to give this phony any more money.  But look at how well televangelists do so I know I'm asking too much.

Let's be honest here. Who is going to give this guy any more money? Those who listen to Christian music who are aware of what went on will think twice before supporting any future project he may create.

Well, if he writes a book, people will probably buy that at least. If he truly repents, then people may buy his albums. Never under estimate the public. I mean we just got off of an election with quite possibly the two worst candidates, and it was a close one (not wanting to start a political debate, just using it as a recent example.)

What I find interesting that hasn't been mentioned, is that Michael Sweet was there during the interview. I wonder how much of a positive influence Michael has had on George with their recording. When I say that, I don't mean to stir up any debate on Michael and his witness. I believe that he has some positive influence, just wondering how much it has helped George to get a better understanding on the faith, as he seemed very negative to Tim, and maybe justifiably so.

Temple of Blood wrote:He's a murderer and I hope the Christian scene is wise enough not to give this phony any more money.  But look at how well televangelists do so I know I'm asking too much.

No, he's not a murderer.

deathisgain wrote:Well, if he writes a book, people will probably buy that at least. If he truly repents, then people may buy his albums. Never under estimate the public. I mean we just got off of an election with quite possibly the two worst candidates, and it was a close one (not wanting to start a political debate, just using it as a recent example.)

What I find interesting that hasn't been mentioned, is that Michael Sweet was there during the interview. I wonder how much of a positive influence Michael has had on George with their recording. When I say that, I don't mean to stir up any debate on Michael and his witness. I believe that he has some positive influence, just wondering how much it has helped George to get a better understanding on the faith, as he seemed very negative to Tim, and maybe justifiably so.

What are you talking about? Tim murdered George Michael? I thought it was AIDS not AILD.

Not to defend Tims actions but anyone can see that if you take a stand as a christian, actively taking ground from Satan in a very public way, Satan is going to spend a lot of extra effort to try and bring you to ruin. Anyone who thinks it couldn't happen to them is naive. Everyone has weakness and Satan will exploit it. Those that stand for Christ publicly need all the support we can give. Not saying we shouldn't use our brains and and go forward with our eyes open but remember this is war, please don't stab the wounded.

Tim had always been one of my heroes, so I hope what I have heard from others in the community about him giving his life back to Christ are true

Im eager to hear more news and see when and what he releases first after all this

Not saying that someone can't recover from the depths he put himself into (if there's any way out, then it's Jesus Christ), but let's be honest here. Tim L. has a lot to prove to us christians about his sincerity. Simply saying "yeah I'm christian again" and releasing new music with christian lyrics isn't enough as far as I'm concerned. Christian(ish) lyrics can be written by anyone, and anyone can say he's a christian.
He needs to build up trust again, and that will take time. And on the other hand, we should give him this time.

Andreas89 wrote:Tim L. has a lot to prove to us christians about his sincerity. Simply saying "yeah I'm christian again" and releasing new music with christian lyrics isn't enough as far as I'm concerned.

Yes Tim made an unusually huge mistake for a Christian metal artist, but I don't think its fair to weigh art and heart together as a spectator.  

Myself, years ago, I was a raging alcoholic.  Ended up in jail about 8-9 different times, and I have a (violent) felony on my record (back in 2005).  I wouldn't think it was fair at all if someone threw that in my face today in regards to my Christian music, especially since I've changed, especially since someone not knowing that about my past would still retain the full intention of the Christian music and lyrics I do now.  The same works with Tim.

I know there's a time difference here, with my shenanigans being from over 10 years ago and Tim's was 4 years ago, but that still shouldn't weigh with the presentation of art and message.  If we're going to hold personal sins against musicians, then we better start digging and weighing everybody for what sins they do in their lives, and we might as well establish a timeline of "X years passed" being acceptable and "Y years passed" being unacceptable.

We all sin, and no listener of music judges the sins of a musician.  Its unfair, its biased and its unrelated to hold a Christian project accountable for something a member did that's unrelated to said project.  Now if Tim's lyrics, past or present, promoted the idea of hitmen or attempted murder, and my lyrics promoted being drunk and shoving down people while trying to leave the hospital during medical treatment, THEN there's room to talk.

Otherwise, like bigtreads said, we're stabbing our already wounded brothers in a war against evil.

Another way of looking at it might be, what if this had happened BEFORE he became a Christian? People would probably be more sympathetic, because he has changed his ways.

The hard part that it boils down to now is, if he puts out a "Christian" album, is he sincere? That part would be hard for us to answer, as we do not know his heart. He could be duping people (again), or he could have truly repented and is on the straight and narrow.

deathisgain wrote:
The hard part that it boils down to now is, if he puts out a "Christian" album, is he sincere? That part would be hard for us to answer, as we do not know his heart. He could be duping people (again), or he could have truly repented and is on the straight and narrow.

If you give his music a chance, you get enjoyment from it and something productive from the message, it shouldn't honestly matter to you if he's sincere or not. Intention does not dictate interpretation. ...at least it shouldn't.

^I don't necessarily disagree... though I think Robert may have said that in the context of what he and Bjorn wrote earlier about choosing to [financially] support someone or not based on one's morals/values.  I really like the taste of Ben And Jerry's ice cream but due to their overt liberal political agenda, I choose not to buy their products.  I think it's a similar deal here (though correct me if I'm wrong Robert).

Kerrick wrote:^I don't necessarily disagree... though I think Robert may have said that in the context of what he and Bjorn wrote earlier about choosing to [financially] support someone or not based on one's morals/values.  I really like the taste of Ben And Jerry's ice cream but due to their overt liberal political agenda, I choose not to buy their products.  I think it's a similar deal here (though correct me if I'm wrong Robert).

This is correct.

ThomasEversole wrote:

Andreas89 wrote:Tim L. has a lot to prove to us christians about his sincerity. Simply saying "yeah I'm christian again" and releasing new music with christian lyrics isn't enough as far as I'm concerned.

Yes Tim made an unusually huge mistake for a Christian metal artist, but I don't think its fair to weigh art and heart together as a spectator.  

Myself, years ago, I was a raging alcoholic.  Ended up in jail about 8-9 different times, and I have a (violent) felony on my record (back in 2005).  I wouldn't think it was fair at all if someone threw that in my face today in regards to my Christian music, especially since I've changed, especially since someone not knowing that about my past would still retain the full intention of the Christian music and lyrics I do now.  The same works with Tim.

I know there's a time difference here, with my shenanigans being from over 10 years ago and Tim's was 4 years ago, but that still shouldn't weigh with the presentation of art and message.  If we're going to hold personal sins against musicians, then we better start digging and weighing everybody for what sins they do in their lives, and we might as well establish a timeline of "X years passed" being acceptable and "Y years passed" being unacceptable.

We all sin, and no listener of music judges the sins of a musician.  Its unfair, its biased and its unrelated to hold a Christian project accountable for something a member did that's unrelated to said project.  Now if Tim's lyrics, past or present, promoted the idea of hitmen or attempted murder, and my lyrics promoted being drunk and shoving down people while trying to leave the hospital during medical treatment, THEN there's room to talk.

Otherwise, like bigtreads said, we're stabbing our already wounded brothers in a war against evil.

I am grateful that God in His mercy does not treat me the way I deserve. I respect the above post a ton for the honesty and have lost a job because of poor choices as well. I am glad God wants the best for me because if one mistake did me in my family would be in a world of hurt.

I dont care a lot for AiLD musically, either now or before, but I dont begrude him a chance to earn a living if he is sincere about doing so.