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Post by Guest Wed Sep 10, 2014 11:15 am

I suppose nobody here have clearly anti-christian band in her/his discography. But what about bands who have a controvertial attitude about christians? what about album with 1 anti-christian song and others neutral? What about band who are + or - kidding  about God, who make an apologia of sex? Do you tolerate them because you like their music, or you don't have this kind of albums?

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Post by Guest Wed Sep 10, 2014 1:13 pm

I am A Christian Believer. 98% of my music collection is secular metal..especially glam metal, power-metal and classic hard rock...I have everything from all of Motley Crue to all of AC/DC to Sammy Hagar to All Of W.A.S.P. ,Van Halen, Hammerfall, type on negative, Lizzy Borden, Kind Diamond,  etc...
I buy it because I enjoy the music and truthfully I don't care much about the lyrics...As you know most of these bands are real sex heavy and rebellion heavy in their lyrics but thats ok with me..I truthfully don't feel any condemnation...one artist that instantly came to mind when I read the thread title was Sammy Hagar...Sammy Hagar does seem to be an artist that make's alot of references about humanism, mother earth, etc....Still, he is a great singer and I love his music....<<<MY VIEW AND CHOICES ARE NOT UP FOR DEBATE>>THEY ARE MY CHOICES ALONE>>>
The other 2% of my collection would fall under the Christian Metal tag...I don't buy them because they are Christian but because I enjoy them..

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Post by Kerrick Wed Sep 10, 2014 1:25 pm

I've found myself listening to more and more Christian music because I connect with it on a deeper level due to the lyrics (which are very important to me).  I don't have anything anti-Christian, though I do have some stuff with some four-letter-words and somewhat racy lyrics.  The occasional swear-word doesn't bother me, nor do some of Maiden's PG-13 lyrics, for example.

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Post by metaldude Wed Sep 10, 2014 3:50 pm

At one time I was a huge fan of Exodus. Even after becoming a Christian I still listened to them. When they started writing anti-Jesus songs, I had to stop listening to them. I still have the cds,  but haven't listened to them in around 10 years.
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Post by Guest Thu Sep 11, 2014 3:41 am

Sure do. I find it helpful to understand what anti Christians in the metal world think and why. I've also read books by atheists to understand how the world views belief in God.

I actually feel more uncomfortable with overly sexual/demeaning lyrics.

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Post by MegaNorm64 Thu Sep 11, 2014 6:07 am

I have some that are not really anti christian but anti fascist if that counts. Kreator and Anthrax for example. I'm not too wise when it comes to the whole "left wing" or "right wing" thing in politics but, I only know the basics of Fascism. Fascism is a society that is ruled by a single man and his government whom citizens are not able to disagree with or disobey. Anti Fascism is the exact opposite so, they see religion as Fascism and are totally against it. That's what Kreator and Anthrax write about in some of their anti religion songs but for some reason, I barely hear other religions being attacked other than Christianity, lol. We must really suck.
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Post by d@v!d Thu Sep 11, 2014 10:12 am

Pastèque wrote:Do you tolerate them because you like their music, or you don't have this kind of albums?
Almost none and they are very low in the queue.
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Post by Guest Thu Sep 11, 2014 2:02 pm

ParaNormaN wrote:I have some that are not really anti christian but anti fascist if that counts. Kreator and Anthrax for example. I'm not too wise when it comes to the whole "left wing" or "right wing" thing in politics but, I only know the basics of Fascism. Fascism is a society that is ruled by a single man and his government whom citizens are not able to disagree with or disobey. Anti Fascism is the exact opposite so, they see religion as Fascism and are totally against it. That's what Kreator and Anthrax write about in some of their anti religion songs but for some reason, I barely hear other religions being attacked other than Christianity, lol. We must really suck.
They probably reproach to the Church to helped fascist regimes in the past, maybe to be too conservative now also. 
Others are not courageous and just want to kick a religion in difficulty (particularly in Europe).

Personnaly, i've throw away the most virulent of my discography. I still have bands who makes fun of christians + or -  spitefully, or criticize not always constructively. As i like Death/Grind, Goregrind, Gorenoise, i've a lots of porn covers and lyrics (about some bands it's not really a problem,their lyrics are absolutely imcomprehensible ^^). I wonder if i have to sell/censored it. I pay not really attention to that, but... I know someone who had censored all his covers, but if he wants to sell it one day it could be very crippling, i suppose covers are not stranger to sale...  What a Face

Unfortunately it seems to be a part of Metal culture for a lots of metalheads, like long hair, black shirt... when you try to discuss, they say it's for fun for the most open-minded, you can go to [insert 4 letters here] for the others. I'm not surprised if some religious organizations are aggressive about some festivals, even if they tell nonsenses about it.

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Post by My Awesome Timothy Thu Sep 11, 2014 5:27 pm

The latest SINBREED album, I feel uncomfortable listening to it.  Haven't listened to it in months.  I do have some secular albums, anything from Alter Bridge to Cinderella to Sepultura.  Did have Morbid Angel and Slayer in my collection but got rid of those.
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Post by WildWorld Sat Sep 13, 2014 1:10 am

I do own some Slayer albums, but i make sure to skip over the anti-christian/satanic songs. I also own Volbeat's Above Heaven/Beyond Hell but again, i skip over Heaven Nor Hell, Evelyn, and A Better Believer (even though i will admit those are the best songs on the album musically). But for the most part, i avoid bands where the sole purpose is to bash Christianity/religion (not corruption in religion mind you, as several Christian bands do criticize that).

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Post by Follower of Jesus Wed Sep 17, 2014 8:36 pm

I won't keep anything even remotely anti-Christian. I also won't listen to music that glorifies what God hates.
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Post by Hardcore Christian Thu Sep 18, 2014 1:45 pm

Follower of Jesus wrote:I won't keep anything even remotely anti-Christian. I also won't listen to music that glorifies what God hates.
This is me too
but like Kerrick said the occasional curse word doesnt bother me
like Christian bands even cuss lol

Maylene And The Sons Of Disaster and The Showdown for example
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Post by metaldude Sun Sep 21, 2014 6:28 pm

I've never noticed language from either of those bands.
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Post by Zymologist Wed Sep 24, 2014 10:56 am

I do have some, yes. Like David, they're low on the priority list.

There are a ton of secular bands whose lyrics are pretty much harmless, whether they be about mythology, or history, or the Lord of the Rings, or Moby Dick. I have no issue with listening to bands like this, and I do somewhat regularly.

On the other hand, there are of course bands that range from not friendly to Christianity to violently opposed to it. I suppose my position on these bands is a matter of personal conviction: it seems possible to me, as a Christian, to listen to bands like this for the sake of enjoying the music. The lyrics, after all, are an expression of what they believe, not what I believe.

That said, I find myself with little to no interest in listening to bands like that, even though it doesn't bother me in any meaningful sense. Take Marduk, for example: I know I would like their music, but I find that I simply have no interest in actually listening to it.

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Post by elManique Wed Oct 15, 2014 8:12 am

Pastèque wrote:I suppose nobody here have clearly anti-christian band in her/his discography.

Actually I have a lot of black metal collected years ago when I had a different attitude toward this topic.  I certainly wasn't more liberal or accepting, but perhaps more oblivious.  Things like Marduk, Gorgoroth and Dark Funeral are the more obvious ones.  For black metal the vocals are unintelligible, and I never pored over the lyrics like I did in my teen (thrash) years so that, combined with my desire for the style, made it easy enough to ignore.  Also I just can't respect the intelligence of blatantly Satanic bands so that disarms some of the lyrical power.

Nowadays I just skip blatantly Satanic bands, and if a band is too anti-Christian I might torrent instead of buying, or buy but not rip any songs that are particularly bad.  The anti-Christian element is certainly in a different category from violence, sex or even nationalism/racism.  Those themes don't really factor for me in the same way.

Another interesting distinguishing point is the genre.  An anti-Christian song by a pop band, for example, doesn't have the same 'ooh evil' feeling.
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Post by CMB Wed Oct 15, 2014 12:15 pm

I do. Many more than Christian bands, in fact.
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Post by Hardcore Christian Wed Oct 15, 2014 6:20 pm

metaldude wrote:I've never noticed language from either of those bands.
Not to proive a point but just telling you Razz
The Showdown:
Fanatics And Wh**es

Maylene
has said d**n in a few songs off of there first album

and both say Hell a lot a lot but the place usually Very Happy
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Post by metaldude Thu Oct 16, 2014 8:41 am

Hardcore Christian wrote:
metaldude wrote:I've never noticed language from either of those bands.
Not to proive a point but just telling you Razz
The Showdown:
Fanatics And Wh**es

Maylene
has said d**n in a few songs off of there first album

and both say Hell a lot a lot but the place usually Very Happy

That would explain it. My first Maylene album was II. I've never heard the first album. The Showdown reference, while I realize language is subjective, seems like nothing, to me.
Thanks, bro.
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Post by Gandalf the White Thu Oct 16, 2014 9:35 am

metaldude wrote:
Hardcore Christian wrote:
metaldude wrote:I've never noticed language from either of those bands.
Not to proive a point but just telling you Razz
The Showdown:
Fanatics And Wh**es

Maylene
has said d**n in a few songs off of there first album

and both say Hell a lot a lot but the place usually Very Happy

That would explain it. My first Maylene album was II. I've never heard the first album. The Showdown reference, while I realize language is subjective, seems like nothing, to me.
Thanks, bro.

Umm... the word "whore" is in the Bible so I don't think it's all that offensive...
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Post by metaldude Thu Oct 16, 2014 9:52 am

Gandalf the White wrote:
metaldude wrote:
Hardcore Christian wrote:
metaldude wrote:I've never noticed language from either of those bands.
Not to proive a point but just telling you Razz
The Showdown:
Fanatics And Wh**es

Maylene
has said d**n in a few songs off of there first album

and both say Hell a lot a lot but the place usually Very Happy

That would explain it. My first Maylene album was II. I've never heard the first album. The Showdown reference, while I realize language is subjective, seems like nothing, to me.
Thanks, bro.

Umm... the word "whore" is in the Bible so I don't think it's all that offensive...
I was thinking it was. Wasn't sure. But the word "work" is also in the Bible. It offends many.
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Post by Kerrick Thu Oct 16, 2014 11:13 am

metaldude wrote:
Gandalf the White wrote:
metaldude wrote:
Hardcore Christian wrote:
metaldude wrote:I've never noticed language from either of those bands.
Not to proive a point but just telling you Razz
The Showdown:
Fanatics And Wh**es

Maylene
has said d**n in a few songs off of there first album

and both say Hell a lot a lot but the place usually Very Happy

That would explain it. My first Maylene album was II. I've never heard the first album. The Showdown reference, while I realize language is subjective, seems like nothing, to me.
Thanks, bro.

Umm... the word "whore" is in the Bible so I don't think it's all that offensive...
I was thinking it was. Wasn't sure. But the word "work" is also in the Bible. It offends many.


Hey now, W*rk is a four-letter-word!  Hmm, I better update our language filter on this site...  I'm surprised they let that one sneak through.

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Post by Athanasius Thu Oct 16, 2014 8:25 pm

Lyrics matter to me.  If I find a band that interests me, I'll often go look up lyrics before dive into one of their albums.  I tend to analyze what I listen to, and it always seems a bit odd to me when people say they don't care about lyrics.

Swearing doesn't phase me, unless the band/artist seems to be doing it for it's own sake, but in that case I see it as annoyingly childish rather than offensive.

Sexual content ..... it depends on the song.  I don't automatically steer clear of it as rule, but I often like a song less because of it.  The more explicit stuff I tend to find distasteful.

Matters of religion, politics, worldview, etc ...... I definitely pay attention to that stuff.  Whether I choose not to listen to it depends on what it is, and if I'm against it, just how strongly.  For example, I dislike anti-religious lyrics, or nationalistic ones.  Satanic is out of course.  Other religious views are generally okay, as long as they're not being anti-Christian.  A passing line in the song I may let slide, but if the lyrics center around such concepts, forget it.

I won't dismiss a band entirely if they have a few songs expressing views I'm opposed to.  For example, one of my favorite bands is Dead Kennedys.  They have anti-religious views, but it doesn't show up that often in their songs, and when it does, well, the skip button exists for a reason.  It's a really big thing for the band/artist and shows up too often, then I'll pass on them.
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Post by WildWorld Thu Oct 16, 2014 8:46 pm

Verbum Lux wrote:Lyrics matter to me.  If I find a band that interests me, I'll often go look up lyrics before dive into one of their albums.  I tend to analyze what I listen to, and it always seems a bit odd to me when people say they don't care about lyrics.

Swearing doesn't phase me, unless the band/artist seems to be doing it for it's own sake, but in that case I see it as annoyingly childish rather than offensive.

Sexual content ..... it depends on the song.  I don't automatically steer clear of it as rule, but I often like a song less because of it.  The more explicit stuff I tend to find distasteful.

Matters of religion, politics, worldview, etc ...... I definitely pay attention to that stuff.  Whether I choose not to listen to it depends on what it is, and if I'm against it, just how strongly.  For example, I dislike anti-religious lyrics, or nationalistic ones.  Satanic is out of course.  Other religious views are generally okay, as long as they're not being anti-Christian.  A passing line in the song I may let slide, but if the lyrics center around such concepts, forget it.

I won't dismiss a band entirely if they have a few songs expressing views I'm opposed to.  For example, one of my favorite bands is Dead Kennedys.  They have anti-religious views, but it doesn't show up that often in their songs, and when it does, well, the skip button exists for a reason.  It's a really big thing for the band/artist and shows up too often, then I'll pass on them.

This is pretty much my view as well, though when it comes to political lyrics its only a turnoff if the band endorses a paticular political party or canidate in song (isnt rock and roll about sticking it to the man? Why write a rock song SUPPORTING the man?).

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Post by d@v!d Thu Oct 16, 2014 8:48 pm

Verbum Lux wrote:They have anti-religious views, but it doesn't show up that often in their songs, and when it does, well, the skip button exists for a reason.
On your five grand stereo...
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Post by Athanasius Thu Oct 16, 2014 9:38 pm

d@v!d wrote:
Verbum Lux wrote:They have anti-religious views, but it doesn't show up that often in their songs, and when it does, well, the skip button exists for a reason.
On your five grand stereo...
I love that song.

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