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Post by Christian Thrash Rules Thu Apr 04, 2024 11:42 am

We got into a big debate about this on another thread so thought I should start this.
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Post by magnus_prime Thu Apr 04, 2024 11:46 am

Thrash & Roll.

It's heavy metal.
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Post by Black Rider Thu Apr 04, 2024 11:47 am

Anyone saying it's not heavy metal is either young or ignorant.
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Post by Pethead Thu Apr 04, 2024 11:47 am

Neither. It’s clearly post-thrash.


Just kidding. Heavy metal. But not as metal as the true Black Album—Smell the Glove.
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Post by Pethead Thu Apr 04, 2024 11:50 am

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Post by Dustofyears Thu Apr 04, 2024 11:53 am

You took this out of context. When you know what the you're talking about come back and we'll chat, otherwise— learn more, talk less.
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Post by Christian Thrash Rules Thu Apr 04, 2024 12:08 pm

Dustofyears wrote:You took this out of context. When you know what the you're talking about come back and we'll chat, otherwise— learn more, talk less.
What do you mean? I do know what I'm talking about. You said TBA is rock and I know it's metal.
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Post by Samson Thu Apr 04, 2024 12:12 pm

Doesn't matter. It's awesome 😎
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Post by Dustofyears Thu Apr 04, 2024 12:16 pm

Read the original. and the original post it's all there. Of course it's heavy metal, it's got thrash in it.  The base of the album is heavy rock! All those bands, like Die Happy, TQT and Deliverance stopped thrash and played heavy rock because of that album. Yes they still have heavy metal in it because if the thrash elements"... Now go listen to that Alice in chains video I posted, which is Heavy Rock, add some thrash elements to that sound...now does the black album sound closer to that or Judas Priest. It's all there IN context.
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Post by Dustofyears Thu Apr 04, 2024 12:17 pm

Samson wrote:Doesn't matter. It's awesome 😎
This is true.


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Post by Black Rider Thu Apr 04, 2024 12:18 pm

Christian Thrash Rules wrote:
Dustofyears wrote:You took this out of context. When you know what the you're talking about come back and we'll chat, otherwise— learn more, talk less.
What do you mean? I do know what I'm talking about. You said TBA is rock and I know it's metal.
The ignore feature is your friend. 😆
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Post by Dustofyears Thu Apr 04, 2024 12:30 pm

I mean to begin with you were calling Count down to Extinction a thrash album lolz.
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Post by Dustofyears Thu Apr 04, 2024 12:44 pm

Heavy Rock (add thrash elements)





Heavy Metal





Which one does TBA sound closer to...

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Post by Christian Thrash Rules Thu Apr 04, 2024 1:02 pm

Dustofyears wrote:Read the original. and the original post it's all there. Of course it's heavy metal, it's got thrash in it.  The base of the album is heavy rock! All those bands, like Die Happy, TQT and Deliverance stopped thrash and played heavy rock because of that album. Yes they still have heavy metal in it because if the thrash elements"... Now go listen to that Alice in chains video I posted, which is Heavy Rock, add some thrash elements to that sound...now does the black album sound closer to that or Judas Priest. It's all there IN context.
I'm not saying Heavy Rock isn't a thing. TBA is most def not rock. Heavy Metal is a broad sub-genre. Also JP is traditional metal not heavy. For it to be rock, it can't be metal, which it very much is.
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Post by Christian Thrash Rules Thu Apr 04, 2024 1:04 pm

Dustofyears wrote:I mean to begin with you were calling Count down to Extinction a thrash album lolz.
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Post by Dustofyears Thu Apr 04, 2024 1:09 pm

Did you listen to Alice and chains song... that is heavy rock. Now listen to the Metallica song after it. Yes it's still Metal, but the base of the album is Heavy rock. Just listen to the songs, it's right there for you to hear.

How the heck I allow myself to get into this lolz. Listen if you want to learn. Don't if you don't.


Count down to extinction is not a thrash metal album. May as well say load is a thrash metal album too because Metallica wrote it...ok I'm done. Count Down to extinction is thrash/rock album like TBA. Cheers.


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Post by Christian Thrash Rules Thu Apr 04, 2024 1:13 pm

Dustofyears wrote:Did you listen to Alice and chains song... that is heavy rock. Now listen to the Metallica song after it. Yes it's still Metal, but the base of the album is Heavy rock. Just listen to the songs, it's right there for you to hear.

How the heck I allow myself to get into this lolz. Listen if you want to learn. Don't if you don't.


Count down to extinction is not a thrash metal album. May as well say load is a thrash metal album too because Metallica wrote it...ok I'm done. Count Down to extinction is thrash/rock album like TBA. Cheers.
Load/ReLoad can be considered Heavy Rock/Alt. Metal.
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Post by Dustofyears Thu Apr 04, 2024 2:30 pm

Christian Thrash Rules wrote:
Dustofyears wrote:Read the original. and the original post it's all there. Of course it's heavy metal, it's got thrash in it.  The base of the album is heavy rock! All those bands, like Die Happy, TQT and Deliverance stopped thrash and played heavy rock because of that album. Yes they still have heavy metal in it because if the thrash elements"... Now go listen to that Alice in chains video I posted, which is Heavy Rock, add some thrash elements to that sound...now does the black album sound closer to that or Judas Priest. It's all there IN context.
I'm not saying Heavy Rock isn't a thing. TBA is most def not rock. Heavy Metal is a broad sub-genre. Also JP is traditional metal not heavy. For it to be rock, it can't be metal, which it very much is.
Also JP is traditional metal not heavy.


Last thought for the day then this thread can sink its way down into oblivion.  Judas priest is a NWOBHM band. They are pioneers. They are Heavy Metal— traditional heavy metal. New Wave Of British Heavy Metal.


Which, along with punk, thrash came from.

RIP thread.
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Post by Christian Thrash Rules Thu Apr 04, 2024 2:44 pm

Metallica went from thrash(KEA,RTL,MOP,AJFA) to heavy metal(TBA) then to heavy rock/alt. metal(L,RL) then to nu metal(SA) then back to thrash(DM,HTSD,72S) I had a metal subgenre tree picture to prove this but it kept saying "posted message is to long" for some reason idk.
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Post by Dustofyears Thu Apr 04, 2024 2:53 pm

I'm not saying it's not part of the Heavy metal tree. But it's base is heavy rock with thrash elements. It's still metal. If it was watered down thrash, it would sound more like heavy metal.

It's not rock or hard rock or heavy metal that thrash was born from... like I suggested, just listen to the Alice in chains song and you'll see what Heavy rock actually is. Now add some thrash elements to that. What you have is the Black album.

Ok this thread can die a slow death now. I'm just repeating myself aimlessly lolz. Cheers.
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Post by Seth Thu Apr 04, 2024 4:34 pm

Not worth arguing about like some here seem to think, but I consider it metal. Not thrash though
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Post by Superjuice Thu Apr 04, 2024 5:31 pm

It's Bob Rock Metal
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Post by Christian Thrash Rules Thu Apr 04, 2024 6:23 pm

Superjuice wrote:It's Bob Rock Metal
Ok, he's right. End of discussion.
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Post by StevenCressler Thu Apr 04, 2024 7:44 pm

It would have been better had they hired Bob Metal instead
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