Vengeance Rising Once Dead and Human Sacrifice Vocals, Good Or Bad?

crucifyd wrote:

Kerrick wrote:I never bothered listening to them

you missin' it bro...

Dustofyears wrote:Roger's Vox are great and perfect for Vengeance. The Lead work on those albums are underrated too.  We've heard what happens when a standard thrash vocalist from an average thrash band steps into a not so normal thrash band to fill the huge shoes of Roger... It ain't pretty...

Pethead wrote:

Raegoul wrote:Good

You like Torn Flesh.

Black Rider wrote:Spend some time with good extreme metal vocalists and you'll realize how bad they really are.

Kerrick wrote:Thanks Pethead.  I will admit, that wasn't nearly as atrocious as I was expecting.  They're quite unhinged but add to the overall aggressive feel of the music.  That being said, I turned the song off after a couple minutes and couldn't imagine enjoying a full song of that, let alone an entire album.  But it's not just the vocals for me - that style of thrash is just not my cup 'o tea.

strangerhoncho wrote:

Kerrick wrote:Thanks Pethead.  I will admit, that wasn't nearly as atrocious as I was expecting.  They're quite unhinged but add to the overall aggressive feel of the music.  That being said, I turned the song off after a couple minutes and couldn't imagine enjoying a full song of that, let alone an entire album.  But it's not just the vocals for me - that style of thrash is just not my cup 'o tea.

Here's the thing, though:  that's one of the worst examples.  The thing with Roger is that he has incredible versatility.  Low, high, shrieks, gang vocals, punkish, mumbled, clear, spoken, yelled, death, doom/death...there's so much variety.

TZ75 wrote:His vocals are not what I consider good… but they fit the music. 

I went “Meh”.

Dustofyears wrote:

strangerhoncho wrote:

Kerrick wrote:Thanks Pethead.  I will admit, that wasn't nearly as atrocious as I was expecting.  They're quite unhinged but add to the overall aggressive feel of the music.  That being said, I turned the song off after a couple minutes and couldn't imagine enjoying a full song of that, let alone an entire album.  But it's not just the vocals for me - that style of thrash is just not my cup 'o tea.

Here's the thing, though:  that's one of the worst examples.  The thing with Roger is that he has incredible versatility.  Low, high, shrieks, gang vocals, punkish, mumbled, clear, spoken, yelled, death, doom/death...there's so much variety.

Well pointed out and observed. That is something I have often thought about with Roger's vocals. Listen to OD and the vocals even change in extreme styles throughout a song sometimes and from song to song, it's not the same. He could've been from another band on another album in many parts. Then you've got DC a completely different kind of bark, and then there's RUTE. He Could've chosen to be in any extreme form of music and any extreme kind of band he wanted to be in, not to mention his knack for rhythmic and quick fire vocals.

I wonder if it's more to do with him walking away from the faith than it is about the vocals...

Pethead wrote:Roger’s tone is terrible, and is mostly from his throat.

His enunciation is very sloppy and often unintelligible.

Being unique is not inherently positive, yet some of you are saying he’s good because “no one’s like him.”

I also want to note that the thread was about his vocals on the first 2, so defending his RutE vocals is beside the point. I agree he’s much better on that album.

Dustofyears wrote:

Pethead wrote:Roger’s tone is terrible, and is mostly from his throat.

His enunciation is very sloppy and often unintelligible.

Being unique is not inherently positive, yet some of you are saying he’s good because “no one’s like him.”

I also want to note that the thread was about his vocals on the first 2, so defending his RutE vocals is beside the point. I agree he’s much better on that album.

I was making a point at how diverse his vocals are in the extreme realm, which is very, thus the mention of that album and DC. Nearly all of extreme metal vocals are unintelligible. It's one step away from death metal, which usually is, for the most part, unintelligible. So this guy ain't buying that.

And I am not saying he is good because no one else likes him lolz. I am not that guy. I don't just like something to feel "underground" or "special" or something...If this was the case I'd hate Nirvana, Smashing Pumpkins and Gnr and Alice in chains (though a few metal heads do like Alice) like the majority of Metal heads do. So that's out the door too. Roger is just unique period and it can't be disputed unless you can show me someone that sounds like that. The one that is close to mind is manic from Mayhem's fist album: Death Crush. But even that is different an nowhere near as versatile as Roger. No one sounds like Dodgey Rogey that I have heard. I genuinely enjoy his extreme style. 

Simple as dat.

Just add, also Roger's words aren't that hard to understand once you learn the songs (as is the case with most extreme metal and how extreme metal and death metal, generally works) so That one is out the door too! I want, head chopped off...You'll see, body rot! Frooontal looobotomy!!! Into, the...Abyss!!! HUman, Sacrifice..Sacrifice...so on and so forth— clear as day!

Dustofyears wrote:Yeah that's how extreme metal works. It's meant to sound ugly!  Only those who spend time with it will understand what's going on. That's what it's about.

Pethead wrote:Yes, because you read the lyrics. Otherwise, “Warfare,” for example, becomes this: 

“We wrestle not with flesh and blood
Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah!”

Pethead wrote:

Dustofyears wrote:Yeah that's how extreme metal works. It's meant to sound ugly!  Only those who spend time with it will understand what's going on. That's what it's about.

Pethead wrote:

Dustofyears wrote:Yeah that's how extreme metal works. It's meant to sound ugly!  Only those who spend time with it will understand what's going on. That's what it's about.