Hot takes.

Black Rider wrote:Check out Winger's Pull and Skid Row, Slave to the Grind. And sometimes heavy isn't the point, nu metal downtunes a lot to be heavy but there's little in the way of hooks.

Not to mention that downtuning =/= heavy riffs. A lot of thrash is in standard tuning. The riffs themselves are heavy.

Idk if it counts as hair metal (sounds more like trad to me, but I discovered it through a hair metal radio show), but Pretty Maids’ song Future World is incredible, by far the best song i ever heard on that radio show

Tyketto crushes most hair bands.

Hmm... didn't offend enough people with that Metallica one... oh wait

72 Seasons > Kill 'Em All (Just barely though)

Ammocas wrote:

MagnusPrime wrote:With very few exceptions, I'm not a fan of female vocals in rock or metal.

Same here…Nancy Jo Mann of Barnabas and Rosanna from Rosanna’s Raiders are my favorites.
Wendy Kaiser also with her gritty vocals.

Lot of folks dis Wendy but I really like her vocals and think she contributes greatly to the band and gives Rez another color pallet to work with throughout the years. She has a gritty punk and new wave edge to her voice that contrasts yet mixes with her hubby's gritty rock blues vokills. She's great.

Temple of Blood wrote:It's so funny how much further these hot takes are than the things that I say that make some of you so incurably butt-hurt.  Almost like some of you have double standards, but that couldn't be right could it?

I'd say the only one getting their butt hurt is the one hitting the dislike button

Pethead wrote:Affector’s Harmagedon is kinda boring.

Undeceived is the only truly great Extol album.

Fear Not’s debut is average hair metal but has a killer vocalist.

Faith Hope Love is the worst of King’s X first 5.

FHL is the worst of the first five KX albums...hmm... never thought about that. They're all incredible masterpieces for me. My favorite due to the fact it was the first album that opened the King's Door for me is the self titled fourth album.

Pethead wrote:Paramaecium’s Exhumed of the Earth is a snooze fest.

It's a mood album. A solitary mood album. When the mood is right both those first two albums can hit hard.

Yes, the mood of insomnia.

My favorite KX is probably Gretchen, although OotSP is very close. Third would be Dogman.

Dustofyears wrote:

Temple of Blood wrote:It's so funny how much further these hot takes are than the things that I say that make some of you so incurably butt-hurt.  Almost like some of you have double standards, but that couldn't be right could it?

I'd say the only one getting their butt hurt is the one hitting the dislike button

I highly doubt ToB is any of the ones hitting that button. He could be, but that doesn’t seem like his style.

seth wrote:I will admit I haven’t heard a huge sampling of nu metal, but most of that which I have heard has lyrics that are either extremely whiny or angry tough-guy bragging

Just go straight to Korn's first album then their second and third album if you like that. Then Deftones. That's all you need to listen to in the NU metal realm. The rest are copy cats or weak.

StevenCressler wrote:Hmm... didn't offend enough people with that Metallica one... oh wait

72 Seasons > Kill 'Em All (Just barely though)

I know Dust will agree, given his white-hot love for 72 Seasons. 

I have to give it to KEA. Not only because of its impact, but because it’s a bit more consistent and it’s not bloated. With less bloat and more focus I could see 72S being a contender, though. It’s probably my second favorite after TBA.

Pethead wrote:

StevenCressler wrote:Hmm... didn't offend enough people with that Metallica one... oh wait

72 Seasons > Kill 'Em All (Just barely though)

I know Dust will agree, given his white-hot love for 72 Seasons. 

I have to give it to KEA. Not only because of its impact, but because it’s a bit more consistent and it’s not bloated. With less bloat and more focus I could see 72S being a contender, though. It’s probably my second favorite after TBA.

KEA is one of the most pure fun metal albums out there. It's not the heaviest thrash album, and only half the songs have something resembling deep lyrics. But if you want to put on some music, get in a good energetic mood, and have fun, KEA is the perfect album.
Chasing Light and Room of Mirrors are better than anything on KEA imo.

Chasing Light is fantastic.

Pethead wrote:

Dustofyears wrote:

Temple of Blood wrote:It's so funny how much further these hot takes are than the things that I say that make some of you so incurably butt-hurt.  Almost like some of you have double standards, but that couldn't be right could it?

I'd say the only one getting their butt hurt is the one hitting the dislike button

I highly doubt ToB is any of the ones hitting that button. He could be, but that doesn’t seem like his style.

Oh it was temple...sorry ToB. Somehow my vision got mixed up and saw another name on top of the quote... not that it really matters it's just kinda funny someone hitting dislike lolz

Especially on a thread like this!

Dustofyears wrote:

seth wrote:I will admit I haven’t heard a huge sampling of nu metal, but most of that which I have heard has lyrics that are either extremely whiny or angry tough-guy bragging

Just go straight to Korn's first album then their second and third album if you like that. Then Deftones. That's all you need to listen to in the NU metal realm. The rest are copy cats or weak.

I’ve only heard a few Korn songs, but they sounded just as whiny/angsty as anything out there to me

seth wrote:

Dustofyears wrote:

seth wrote:I will admit I haven’t heard a huge sampling of nu metal, but most of that which I have heard has lyrics that are either extremely whiny or angry tough-guy bragging

Just go straight to Korn's first album then their second and third album if you like that. Then Deftones. That's all you need to listen to in the NU metal realm. The rest are copy cats or weak.

I’ve only heard a few Korn songs, but they sounded just as whiny/angsty as anything out there to me

Oh quit being whiny/angsty about things that are whiny/angsty.

You got me there

seth wrote:Polarized is an album by Gary Lenaire and Guy Ritter’s new band Flood, unfortunately it doesn’t seem to be available on streaming platforms except for a few songs. But from those few songs, I will agree with Pethead

You can listen all of the songs for free at the official Flood Soundcloud page:
https://soundcloud.com/user-82562690

It's also on Bandcamp where you can stream it for free and then buy it if you want to:
https://floodofficialband.bandcamp.com/album/polarized

I in fact prefer Wendy, although Glen is a fine vocalist.

I think she has a metal edge to her voice .

Pethead wrote:Chasing Light is fantastic.

That would probably be my favorite on 72 if not for Room of Mirror's solo

seth wrote:

Dustofyears wrote:

seth wrote:I will admit I haven’t heard a huge sampling of nu metal, but most of that which I have heard has lyrics that are either extremely whiny or angry tough-guy bragging

Just go straight to Korn's first album then their second and third album if you like that. Then Deftones. That's all you need to listen to in the NU metal realm. The rest are copy cats or weak.

I’ve only heard a few Korn songs, but they sounded just as whiny/angsty as anything out there to me

At least with the song Daddy he has very very good reasons to be angsty...

seth wrote:

Dustofyears wrote:

seth wrote:I will admit I haven’t heard a huge sampling of nu metal, but most of that which I have heard has lyrics that are either extremely whiny or angry tough-guy bragging

Just go straight to Korn's first album then their second and third album if you like that. Then Deftones. That's all you need to listen to in the NU metal realm. The rest are copy cats or weak.

I’ve only heard a few Korn songs, but they sounded just as whiny/angsty as anything out there to me

Give their first album a good listen. It's quite insane and full of pure aggression and groove and the lyrics are raw and hold nothing back..no sir, no having to "read-into-the-message-here" it's just one big open raw wound of an album. It's highly emotive and real stuff. If real and emotive is whiny...then probably not your thing.

Anyway if you feel like it check out these four tunes

Daddy (very heavy themes and lyrics)

Clown (there is a censored video for this too)

Shoots and Ladders (you love nursery rhymes your gunna love this) Video for this also

Faget (that's how it is spelt too. John used to be called that at school and was bullied a lot for being a strange kid etc...

Be warned Korn hold nothing back on that first album and the lyrics and content are about as real and angry as it gets. Great grooves!

StevenCressler wrote:

seth wrote:

Dustofyears wrote:

seth wrote:I will admit I haven’t heard a huge sampling of nu metal, but most of that which I have heard has lyrics that are either extremely whiny or angry tough-guy bragging

Just go straight to Korn's first album then their second and third album if you like that. Then Deftones. That's all you need to listen to in the NU metal realm. The rest are copy cats or weak.

I’ve only heard a few Korn songs, but they sounded just as whiny/angsty as anything out there to me

At least with the song Daddy he has very very good reasons to be angsty...

Steven give the first album a go. It's incredible.

Also Dokken is a great hair band to checkout. They did the nightmare on elm street dream warriors song too.