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Women "Preachers"
by Rockrz Sat Mar 14, 2020 12:20 pm
Here's some food for thought from God's Holy Writ concerning whether women are actually called by the Lord to be Bishops, Pastors, Teachers, Church Leaders...
It's not looking good for Jezebel
Qualifications for Ministry
1 Timothy 3:1-13
This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desires a good work.
A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behavior, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
One that rules well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
(For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;
Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.
And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.
Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.
Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.
For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.
Bishop - Strongs G1985
a superintendent, i.e. Christian officer in genitive case charge of a (or the) church (literally or figuratively): KJV -- bishop, overseer.
Deacons - Strongs G1249
from an obsolete diako (to run on errands; compare 1377); an attendant, i.e. (genitive case) a waiter (at table or in other menial duties); specially, a Christian teacher and pastor (technically, a deacon): KJV -- deacon, minister, servant.
Titus 1:6-9
If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.
For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not self willed, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;
But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate;
Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.
1 Timothy 2:12,13
I do not allow a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
For Adam was first formed, then Eve
Paul bases his viewpoint on creation. In v. 13 he says, "For Adam was first created, then Eve." In the least, this argument shows that Paul is not restricting his treatment to the church; it's a matter that is grounded in the constitutional differences between men and women, or at least in the order of authority that God had ordained. In Gen 2-3, we see an interesting phenomenon relevant to 1 Tim 2. God teaches man, man teaches woman, the devil is out of the picture. That's Gen 2. But in Gen 3, we see the devil teaching woman, woman teaching man, and God is out of the picture. And this is Paul's argument: there is a divinely ordained order to things that, if disturbed, would bring deception and ruin due to not following the ways of the Lord.
1 Timothy 2:12 - Almost every commentator says that women should not pastor or teach over men. The argument the Apostle Paul gives for his statement "I do not permit a women to teach or to exercise authority over a man" is found in the following 2 verses. His argument is actually not from culture as some claim but from creation. The validity of his argument and the weight of this statement plants its roots in the creation order. Which means that the statement he makes regarding women not teaching over men (essentially pastoring) stands for all-time and to all cultures everywhere, because he doesn’t appeal to culture for his reasons but the creation ORDER which is simply honoring the way God decided to create.
Other Scriptures to Consider
-------------------------------------
1 Corinthians 11:8,9
For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.
Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
Genesis 2:18
And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
Other Thoughts
-------------------------------------
*In the Old Testament we do not find any evidence of the Lord ever appointing or ordaining female priests to enter in to the Holy of Holies or to make sacrifices for the sins of the people. This does not mean the Lord did not use women in a supporting role because there is plenty of instances in scripture of that.
*To see the scripture references above and still hold the position that it’s OK for women to be pastors over a church and / or to be in authority over men to be allowed to teach men is to discount the authority and validity of God’s Word as though what God says is meaningless. There’s a lot of that viewpoint going around.
*If we are going to start ignoring the parts of God’s Word that aren’t popular or politically correct that makes us pleasers of men instead of pleasing God. If we’re going to do that, then why bother reading God’s Word at all? Sadly, a growing number of those claiming to be Christians are doing exactly that in these end times.
*In John 4:16-18 Jesus told the Samaritan woman to go get her husband because it is God’s order (His ways of being and doing right) for a woman to be joined unto her husband (see Gen 2:24, Matt 19:5; Mark 10:7, Eph 5:31, 1 Cor 6:16)
* 1 Corinthians 11:1-15 - These are actually fallen angels that Paul has in view in 1 Cor 11:10 in that the woman should be under authority as is God’s original order and intent when He created woman. This can partly be based on based on a Graeco-Roman culture in which the female head (and hair) could be viewed as displays of sexuality (and availability)... but is primarily a spiritual covering where man should be in authority to protect not only himself from the evil influence of fallen angels but to protect woman also.
The head covering can also be a means of maintaining order and reducing potential for lust/sexual angst within the male population (akin to forbidding micro mini skirts and low cut blouses in church now). The fallen angels were angels who fell because they had sex with the beautiful daughters of men. As such, Paul is enjoining this upon them for their own protection from these angels and from the carnal lust fallen angels seek to tempt men with.
More Thoughts
-------------------------------------
Concerning 1 Timothy 2:8-15
Paul gave two reasons, both of them are theological not cultural.
1. The created order: Adam was first created as an independent person, then Eve was created from his rib to be his helper. She was therefore not created to be independent of the man in authority.
2. Eve, and consequently all women, were placed under a penalty of the curse. This included pain in childbearing and that her husband would rule over her.
Paul's reasoning above is that all Christian women must submit to both of these things, at least during this age while the curse is still in effect. Yes, there are lots of women who know much more than their husbands about biblical teaching. However, if she transgresses THIS teaching, by teaching publicly in the assembly, then she is TEACHING false doctrine regardless of the content of her 'message.' This is because "teaching" is not only oral. There is a kind of 'teaching' that is by example, which is what she is supposed to be doing instead of teaching orally. She might be making great theological points with her words.
But there is one glaring point that she is making that completely undermines everything that is coming out of her mouth -- by her actions she is transgressing the biblical teaching regarding the role of Christian women by her public display of blatant insubordination to the commandments of Scripture. Notice in the above passage that these instructions immediately follow specific instructions on how Christian women are to dress and adorn themselves.
This EXAMPLE of CONDUCT is how godly Christian women are to make a statement. A women 'pastor' or other 'teacher' in the assembly by her conduct is no different than if a Christian woman came to the assembly immodestly in her underwear. It is a window into her character. She is not doing "what is proper for a woman professing godliness."
How does this reconcile with Deborah in Judges 4-5?
Even while Deborah was a "prophetess" (God spoke through her and people consulted her for advice) and she held a civil office, the office of the priesthood was reserved for males of the tribe of Levi exclusively. God is able to use whomever He chooses whenever He wishes, and on occasion He breaks with the "norms" in situations where those norms become unworkable. However, man is bound by His commandments when it comes to holding offices (like OT priests or NT elders/pastors). And while there may be an occasional exception to the rule, we should not make the mistake of making an exception the rule while discarding the actual commandment. This is unfortunately what many in the Charismatic movement have done.
What was a "prophetess"?
A prophetess was one through whom God spoke. But this has nothing to do with holding an office in the assembly.
What about Christian or spiritual books written by Christian women. Should I not read a book on spiritual topics if it's written by a woman? Like, a Joyce Meyer book, or Beth Moore, or whoever?
Older Christian women should be teaching younger women, and then only those things that relate to what God commands of women. That does not all have to be "religious." There is a lot of practical teaching that godly older Christian woman can teach to the younger and less experienced. Here is what the Lord said thru the Apostle Paul:
1 Timothy 2:8-15
8 I desire therefore that the men pray everywhere, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting;
9 in like manner also, that the women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with propriety and moderation, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly clothing,
10 but, which is proper for women professing godliness, with good works.
11 Let a woman learn in silence with all submission.
12 And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.
15 Nevertheless she will be saved in childbearing if they continue in faith, love, and holiness, with self-control.
Titus 2:1-5
1 But as for you, speak the things which are proper for sound doctrine:
2 that the older men be sober, reverent, temperate, sound in faith, in love, in patience;
3 the older women likewise, that they be reverent in behavior, not slanderers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things--
4 that they admonish the young women to love their husbands, to love their children,
5 to be discreet, chaste, homemakers, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be blasphemed.
So, here is the nuts and bolts of it:
1. Women are to act and dress very modestly, not wearing clothing jewelry, or anything that is not "modest." Modesty does not ONLY means covering up the private and semi-private parts. It also means "plain" -- the opposite of glamorous, bold, attention seeking, expensive, etc.
2. She is to adorn herself with "good works." That is not defined as preaching, or writing books, or being the star of the show, or a celebrity. It is being a servant to other individuals, particularly those within her own assembly, those who have a need.
3. She is not allowed to teach in mixed company, the reasons are as follows (all being theological not cultural)
a. God created Adam to be the leader, teacher, provider, and protector of his family, and Eve was created to be his "helper" to do all she can do to make his job easier.
b. The curse put on women included two things: pain in childbirth as a REMINDER that her husband must rule over her. (This is because her sin was that she blatantly acted against what Adam had told her that God required of them both, circumventing his God-given authority and role). So, you can ask Joyce Meyer if she had any pain during childbirth (or had to take medication to help ease the pain), and if she did, then she is under this curse which required her to be obedient to her husband in all things. And according to Paul, her not being allowed to teach in mixed company stems from this as well.
4. Women do have a role to play in teaching their children. But when they become "empty-nesters" they are to graduate to teaching adult Christian women. And the thing they are to teach is what they have themselves been practicing and have become proficient at -- how to successfully raise a family, honor and take care of her husband and, how to make her home and household prosper . IN other words, she should already be an expert at this, and already have a good track-record and reputation among the assembly as having lived out these things in her home life successfully. The thrust of her teaching is not theology, except as it relates to the above.
So, if you want to read Joyce Meyer or any other similar teacher, just brace yourself for being deceived by her. When Eve decided to go beyond the boundaries God established for women, Satan was very eager to to seize the opportunity to exploit her. And it is no different today. That does not mean she is not a good teacher, or might not have some good solid teachings. But if her LIFE does not reflect these things, she is disobedient to the Word, which negates anything good she might have to say.
Women were not allowed to hold any office in the assembly that involved teaching men or exercising any kind of authority over the men, (which would place her over her own husband in the assembly). However, the NT supports the role of woman serving in the office of "Deaconess," the female version of "Deacons."
Phoebe was a deaconess, as is plainly stated in Romans 16:1-2 (says she was a “servant” in a church – G1249 in Strong’s Greek Dictionary - attendant, servant or deaconess), which actually uses the Greek word "Deaconess." That this was an official office is clear by the clause, "of the assembly in Cenchrea." Deaconesses were given responsibilities of assisting the female members, including counseling, etc., especially in things where male leadership would not be appropriate, such as one-on one instruction. And like Phoebe, some Godly women held enormous responsibilities regarding finances of the assembly. In this passage, she was sent from her home assembly to another assembly on "business." She was therefore no doubt the "treasurer" of that assembly, and could conduct finances in their name.
It's not looking good for Jezebel
Qualifications for Ministry
1 Timothy 3:1-13
This is a true saying, If a man desire the office of a bishop, he desires a good work.
A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behavior, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
One that rules well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
(For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;
Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.
And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.
Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.
Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.
For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.
Bishop - Strongs G1985
a superintendent, i.e. Christian officer in genitive case charge of a (or the) church (literally or figuratively): KJV -- bishop, overseer.
Deacons - Strongs G1249
from an obsolete diako (to run on errands; compare 1377); an attendant, i.e. (genitive case) a waiter (at table or in other menial duties); specially, a Christian teacher and pastor (technically, a deacon): KJV -- deacon, minister, servant.
Titus 1:6-9
If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.
For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not self willed, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;
But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate;
Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.
1 Timothy 2:12,13
I do not allow a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
For Adam was first formed, then Eve
Paul bases his viewpoint on creation. In v. 13 he says, "For Adam was first created, then Eve." In the least, this argument shows that Paul is not restricting his treatment to the church; it's a matter that is grounded in the constitutional differences between men and women, or at least in the order of authority that God had ordained. In Gen 2-3, we see an interesting phenomenon relevant to 1 Tim 2. God teaches man, man teaches woman, the devil is out of the picture. That's Gen 2. But in Gen 3, we see the devil teaching woman, woman teaching man, and God is out of the picture. And this is Paul's argument: there is a divinely ordained order to things that, if disturbed, would bring deception and ruin due to not following the ways of the Lord.
1 Timothy 2:12 - Almost every commentator says that women should not pastor or teach over men. The argument the Apostle Paul gives for his statement "I do not permit a women to teach or to exercise authority over a man" is found in the following 2 verses. His argument is actually not from culture as some claim but from creation. The validity of his argument and the weight of this statement plants its roots in the creation order. Which means that the statement he makes regarding women not teaching over men (essentially pastoring) stands for all-time and to all cultures everywhere, because he doesn’t appeal to culture for his reasons but the creation ORDER which is simply honoring the way God decided to create.
Other Scriptures to Consider
-------------------------------------
1 Corinthians 11:8,9
For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.
Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.
Genesis 2:18
And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.
Other Thoughts
-------------------------------------
*In the Old Testament we do not find any evidence of the Lord ever appointing or ordaining female priests to enter in to the Holy of Holies or to make sacrifices for the sins of the people. This does not mean the Lord did not use women in a supporting role because there is plenty of instances in scripture of that.
*To see the scripture references above and still hold the position that it’s OK for women to be pastors over a church and / or to be in authority over men to be allowed to teach men is to discount the authority and validity of God’s Word as though what God says is meaningless. There’s a lot of that viewpoint going around.
*If we are going to start ignoring the parts of God’s Word that aren’t popular or politically correct that makes us pleasers of men instead of pleasing God. If we’re going to do that, then why bother reading God’s Word at all? Sadly, a growing number of those claiming to be Christians are doing exactly that in these end times.
*In John 4:16-18 Jesus told the Samaritan woman to go get her husband because it is God’s order (His ways of being and doing right) for a woman to be joined unto her husband (see Gen 2:24, Matt 19:5; Mark 10:7, Eph 5:31, 1 Cor 6:16)
* 1 Corinthians 11:1-15 - These are actually fallen angels that Paul has in view in 1 Cor 11:10 in that the woman should be under authority as is God’s original order and intent when He created woman. This can partly be based on based on a Graeco-Roman culture in which the female head (and hair) could be viewed as displays of sexuality (and availability)... but is primarily a spiritual covering where man should be in authority to protect not only himself from the evil influence of fallen angels but to protect woman also.
The head covering can also be a means of maintaining order and reducing potential for lust/sexual angst within the male population (akin to forbidding micro mini skirts and low cut blouses in church now). The fallen angels were angels who fell because they had sex with the beautiful daughters of men. As such, Paul is enjoining this upon them for their own protection from these angels and from the carnal lust fallen angels seek to tempt men with.
More Thoughts
-------------------------------------
Concerning 1 Timothy 2:8-15
Paul gave two reasons, both of them are theological not cultural.
1. The created order: Adam was first created as an independent person, then Eve was created from his rib to be his helper. She was therefore not created to be independent of the man in authority.
2. Eve, and consequently all women, were placed under a penalty of the curse. This included pain in childbearing and that her husband would rule over her.
Paul's reasoning above is that all Christian women must submit to both of these things, at least during this age while the curse is still in effect. Yes, there are lots of women who know much more than their husbands about biblical teaching. However, if she transgresses THIS teaching, by teaching publicly in the assembly, then she is TEACHING false doctrine regardless of the content of her 'message.' This is because "teaching" is not only oral. There is a kind of 'teaching' that is by example, which is what she is supposed to be doing instead of teaching orally. She might be making great theological points with her words.
But there is one glaring point that she is making that completely undermines everything that is coming out of her mouth -- by her actions she is transgressing the biblical teaching regarding the role of Christian women by her public display of blatant insubordination to the commandments of Scripture. Notice in the above passage that these instructions immediately follow specific instructions on how Christian women are to dress and adorn themselves.
This EXAMPLE of CONDUCT is how godly Christian women are to make a statement. A women 'pastor' or other 'teacher' in the assembly by her conduct is no different than if a Christian woman came to the assembly immodestly in her underwear. It is a window into her character. She is not doing "what is proper for a woman professing godliness."
How does this reconcile with Deborah in Judges 4-5?
Even while Deborah was a "prophetess" (God spoke through her and people consulted her for advice) and she held a civil office, the office of the priesthood was reserved for males of the tribe of Levi exclusively. God is able to use whomever He chooses whenever He wishes, and on occasion He breaks with the "norms" in situations where those norms become unworkable. However, man is bound by His commandments when it comes to holding offices (like OT priests or NT elders/pastors). And while there may be an occasional exception to the rule, we should not make the mistake of making an exception the rule while discarding the actual commandment. This is unfortunately what many in the Charismatic movement have done.
What was a "prophetess"?
A prophetess was one through whom God spoke. But this has nothing to do with holding an office in the assembly.
What about Christian or spiritual books written by Christian women. Should I not read a book on spiritual topics if it's written by a woman? Like, a Joyce Meyer book, or Beth Moore, or whoever?
Older Christian women should be teaching younger women, and then only those things that relate to what God commands of women. That does not all have to be "religious." There is a lot of practical teaching that godly older Christian woman can teach to the younger and less experienced. Here is what the Lord said thru the Apostle Paul:
1 Timothy 2:8-15
8 I desire therefore that the men pray everywhere, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting;
9 in like manner also, that the women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with propriety and moderation, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly clothing,
10 but, which is proper for women professing godliness, with good works.
11 Let a woman learn in silence with all submission.
12 And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was formed first, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.
15 Nevertheless she will be saved in childbearing if they continue in faith, love, and holiness, with self-control.
Titus 2:1-5
1 But as for you, speak the things which are proper for sound doctrine:
2 that the older men be sober, reverent, temperate, sound in faith, in love, in patience;
3 the older women likewise, that they be reverent in behavior, not slanderers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things--
4 that they admonish the young women to love their husbands, to love their children,
5 to be discreet, chaste, homemakers, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be blasphemed.
So, here is the nuts and bolts of it:
1. Women are to act and dress very modestly, not wearing clothing jewelry, or anything that is not "modest." Modesty does not ONLY means covering up the private and semi-private parts. It also means "plain" -- the opposite of glamorous, bold, attention seeking, expensive, etc.
2. She is to adorn herself with "good works." That is not defined as preaching, or writing books, or being the star of the show, or a celebrity. It is being a servant to other individuals, particularly those within her own assembly, those who have a need.
3. She is not allowed to teach in mixed company, the reasons are as follows (all being theological not cultural)
a. God created Adam to be the leader, teacher, provider, and protector of his family, and Eve was created to be his "helper" to do all she can do to make his job easier.
b. The curse put on women included two things: pain in childbirth as a REMINDER that her husband must rule over her. (This is because her sin was that she blatantly acted against what Adam had told her that God required of them both, circumventing his God-given authority and role). So, you can ask Joyce Meyer if she had any pain during childbirth (or had to take medication to help ease the pain), and if she did, then she is under this curse which required her to be obedient to her husband in all things. And according to Paul, her not being allowed to teach in mixed company stems from this as well.
4. Women do have a role to play in teaching their children. But when they become "empty-nesters" they are to graduate to teaching adult Christian women. And the thing they are to teach is what they have themselves been practicing and have become proficient at -- how to successfully raise a family, honor and take care of her husband and, how to make her home and household prosper . IN other words, she should already be an expert at this, and already have a good track-record and reputation among the assembly as having lived out these things in her home life successfully. The thrust of her teaching is not theology, except as it relates to the above.
So, if you want to read Joyce Meyer or any other similar teacher, just brace yourself for being deceived by her. When Eve decided to go beyond the boundaries God established for women, Satan was very eager to to seize the opportunity to exploit her. And it is no different today. That does not mean she is not a good teacher, or might not have some good solid teachings. But if her LIFE does not reflect these things, she is disobedient to the Word, which negates anything good she might have to say.
Women were not allowed to hold any office in the assembly that involved teaching men or exercising any kind of authority over the men, (which would place her over her own husband in the assembly). However, the NT supports the role of woman serving in the office of "Deaconess," the female version of "Deacons."
Phoebe was a deaconess, as is plainly stated in Romans 16:1-2 (says she was a “servant” in a church – G1249 in Strong’s Greek Dictionary - attendant, servant or deaconess), which actually uses the Greek word "Deaconess." That this was an official office is clear by the clause, "of the assembly in Cenchrea." Deaconesses were given responsibilities of assisting the female members, including counseling, etc., especially in things where male leadership would not be appropriate, such as one-on one instruction. And like Phoebe, some Godly women held enormous responsibilities regarding finances of the assembly. In this passage, she was sent from her home assembly to another assembly on "business." She was therefore no doubt the "treasurer" of that assembly, and could conduct finances in their name.
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Re: Women "Preachers"
by Rockrz Sat Mar 14, 2020 6:41 pm
Some Men
Just want to watch the world burn
Feel free to go argue with the Lord concerning His decision to put man in charge and not anoint or call women as Bishops, Pastors, Teaches, Church Leaders.
It's hard to argue with 1 Timothy 3:1-13, Titus 1:6-9, 1 Timothy 2:12,13, 1 Corinthians 11:8,9, and Genesis 2:18
as to do so is to be in opposition to the Lord.
That ends badly.
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Re: Women "Preachers"
by ThomasEversole Sat Mar 14, 2020 7:15 pm
Rockrz wrote:
Feel free to go argue with the Lord concerning His decision to put man in charge and not anoint or call women as Bishops, Pastors, Teaches, Church Leaders.
Why stop there?
(KJV)1st Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. 35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
Surely you've been enforcing this at your church...
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Re: Women "Preachers"
by Guest Sat Mar 14, 2020 7:29 pm
I'm pretty sure "church" will consist of one person in his mom's basement.
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Re: Women "Preachers"
by Rockrz Sat Mar 14, 2020 7:30 pm
Women should learn from their husbands at home as the scripture instructs.
This is not speaking of women not being able to say hi to others coming in or leaving the service, but when the men are teaching and running the service, the Lord says thru His Apostle that they should remain silent.
Lack of following the Lord's instructions is a lack of the fear of the Lord (lack of respect to the point of disrespect) is why the Lord does not move in many churches.
The Bible tells us the events of the Old Testament were written as an example to us and when they (or us) do not follow the Lord's instructions... bad things happen cause we swing the door open wide to satan to have a free hand and he never misses an opportunity to steal, kill, or destroy
Well, I certainly don't attend a church that doesn't honor God's Word like yours
This is not speaking of women not being able to say hi to others coming in or leaving the service, but when the men are teaching and running the service, the Lord says thru His Apostle that they should remain silent.
Lack of following the Lord's instructions is a lack of the fear of the Lord (lack of respect to the point of disrespect) is why the Lord does not move in many churches.
The Bible tells us the events of the Old Testament were written as an example to us and when they (or us) do not follow the Lord's instructions... bad things happen cause we swing the door open wide to satan to have a free hand and he never misses an opportunity to steal, kill, or destroy
I'm pretty sure "church" will consist of one person in his mom's basement.
Well, I certainly don't attend a church that doesn't honor God's Word like yours
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Re: Women "Preachers"
by Guest Sat Mar 14, 2020 7:40 pm
Say hi to your Mom for me, she must be very proud of you and the well rounded person you've become.
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Re: Women "Preachers"
by Rockrz Sat Mar 14, 2020 7:43 pm
Say hi to your Mom for me.
She rejected yo salutations. Sorry
she must be very proud of you and the well rounded person you've become
She's very happy I get teaching from God's Word instead of false teachers like the ones you follow
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Re: Women "Preachers"
by Guest Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:03 pm
Ha! well played Rockrz.
In all seriousness, if anyone visits Sydney Australia, once people are allowed to travel again, feel free to come and visit.
http://www.sevenhillschurch.com.au/
In all seriousness, if anyone visits Sydney Australia, once people are allowed to travel again, feel free to come and visit.
http://www.sevenhillschurch.com.au/
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Re: Women "Preachers"
by Rockrz Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:13 pm
Thanks, but I would be interested in visiting an Angelican church.
Seems they "affirm" gay peoples and gender confused people as being a normal lifestyle accepted by the Lord.... He does not accept those lifestyles so if they do not REPENT and turn away from their sin they will spend eternity separated from the Lord Jesus
Ain't gonna be nuthin nice!
If you folks are not in agreement with this position, you should separate yourselves from the Angelican church
Seems they "affirm" gay peoples and gender confused people as being a normal lifestyle accepted by the Lord.... He does not accept those lifestyles so if they do not REPENT and turn away from their sin they will spend eternity separated from the Lord Jesus
Ain't gonna be nuthin nice!
If you folks are not in agreement with this position, you should separate yourselves from the Angelican church
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Re: Women "Preachers"
by ThomasEversole Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:21 pm
Erasmus wrote:I'm pretty sure "church" will consist of one person in his mom's basement.
Erasmus wrote:Say hi to your Mom for me,
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Re: Women "Preachers"
by deathisgain Sat Mar 14, 2020 9:09 pm
If she's in church and a man is teaching, she won't be allowed to say "hi" back.Erasmus wrote:Say hi to your Mom for me, she must be very proud of you and the well rounded person you've become.
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Re: Women "Preachers"
by deathisgain Sat Mar 14, 2020 9:13 pm
This has to be Rockrz life verse:
Luke 18:11-12 King James Version (KJV)
The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
You can't argue with the word of God. Especially the King James Version. It's the one Jesus read.
Luke 18:11-12 King James Version (KJV)
The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
You can't argue with the word of God. Especially the King James Version. It's the one Jesus read.
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Re: Women "Preachers"
by Rockrz Sat Mar 14, 2020 9:17 pm
If you had a brain... you'd take it out and play with it.
Like water off a duxx back, your opinion is meaningless seeing you are offended and fearful of God's Word.
This will not end well for you my friend... you should repent whilst there is still time holmes boy!
It would be funny if no so sad that people get all upset over someone posting a few Bible verses.
Like water off a duxx back, your opinion is meaningless seeing you are offended and fearful of God's Word.
This will not end well for you my friend... you should repent whilst there is still time holmes boy!
It would be funny if no so sad that people get all upset over someone posting a few Bible verses.
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Re: Women "Preachers"
by ThomasEversole Sat Mar 14, 2020 9:54 pm
Rockrz wrote:people get all upset over someone posting a few Bible verses.
Rockrz wrote:If you had a brain... you'd take it out and play with it.
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Re: Women "Preachers"
by Rockrz Sun Mar 15, 2020 1:59 am
Thanks for posting your pic... you're kinda ugly in this one
Got any more?
Got any more?
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Re: Women "Preachers"
by deathisgain Sun Mar 15, 2020 10:01 am
It's weird how he is arguing my Bible verse. He must not like God's word. We all know how that is going to end for him. It's no bueno. We can tell by how he makes fun of Thomas' post that he has the spirit of antichrist in him and is working diligently against the church. This is such shameful behavior coming from someone that claims to be a man of God. This is NOT turning the other cheek. So sad. If he repents, he can get resaved and come back to the Lord, until them, I think we should just give him a holy shunning. Like Paul would.
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Re: Women "Preachers"
by Kerrick Sun Mar 15, 2020 3:39 pm
Alright, enough is enough. Rockrz is banned for not heeding my warning and instead continuing to troll and be contentious to the n-th degree.
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Re: Women "Preachers"
by Staybrite Sun Mar 15, 2020 4:41 pm
Kerrick wrote:Alright, enough is enough. Rockrz is banned for not heeding my warning and instead continuing to troll and be contentious to the n-th degree.
Wow, surprised you let him go this long. You have more patience than I do.
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Re: Women "Preachers"
by Grindboy Sun Mar 15, 2020 7:52 pm
I was wondering if anybody was paying attention. Circa 2005 troll-o-matic as by the book as they come.
Between the squatter theology realm drama and Ted posting/Tourniquet thread, it was like CMR glory days!
Between the squatter theology realm drama and Ted posting/Tourniquet thread, it was like CMR glory days!
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Re: Women "Preachers"
by Kerrick Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:21 pm
LOL. Yeah sorry for the delay; been busy... Anyways, thanks for the rest of y'all's contributions. 
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Re: Women "Preachers"
by TZ75 Sun Mar 15, 2020 8:36 pm
The Mormon cult leader Warren Jeffs approves of this message. “Keep sweet” and shut your mouth!
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Re: Women "Preachers"
by Guest Mon Mar 16, 2020 8:44 am
Staybrite wrote:Kerrick wrote:Alright, enough is enough. Rockrz is banned for not heeding my warning and instead continuing to troll and be contentious to the n-th degree.
Wow, surprised you let him go this long. You have more patience than I do.
First bit of good news ive had this week
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Re: Women "Preachers"
by MikeInFla Mon Mar 16, 2020 11:53 am
Thank you, I logged out and had planned on not coming back for a while after I felt like there was an attack on my daughter. This thread should probably be locked. The other 9Coronavisrus) may be fine as long as we keep civil.Kerrick wrote:Alright, enough is enough. Rockrz is banned for not heeding my warning and instead continuing to troll and be contentious to the n-th degree.
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