As I Lay Dying - My Own Grave

by JPK72 Fri Jun 08, 2018 3:12 am

Killer song

too soon??? lol

by Temple of Blood Fri Jun 08, 2018 11:48 am

Those guys are total whores for working with that murderer again.

1 Corinthians 5:
"It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that is intolerable even among pagans: A man has his father’s wife. And you are proud! Shouldn’t you rather have been stricken with grief and removed from your fellowship the man who did this?…"

Do pagans tolerate the attempted murder of a woman?

I see not a thing funny about this.

by bjorn agin Fri Jun 08, 2018 5:44 pm

To be honest I never listened to the band before, but that video sounds very much like a Demon Hunter song. Is that their typical sound?

by Hardcore Christian Fri Jun 08, 2018 7:48 pm

A lot happened obviously after he got out a year and a half ago

The song is incredible and I am stoked again for the future

I understand them realizing this is where they had the most success, as Wovenwar they were back to playing bars in small towns across the US, with this I am sure they have at least the next 5 years to make back some money before they call it quits

I can't imagine the first contact they had back with Tim, Mancino said in an interview a year ago that he hoped Tim was doing well
I looked and all of them stopped posting on social media back in January, I can't imagine trying to keep this under wraps

From the lyrics, I would say he is pretty sincere (it will never please some people though and its understandable)

the lies, the weight it’s clear i lost my way deceit, decay decomposing i thought i was an architect but i was just moving dirt stacking mud over malice covered-up forming nothing but a pile of hurt i hadn’t been building (building) the time was spent digging (digging) boring the barriers that kept others away (away) the deeper the walls the less anyone could hear (hear me) fall so now i know there is no one else to blame buried alive inside of my own grave and there's no one else to blame buried alive inside of my own grave inside of my own grave beneath my lies delusional enough to think i’d designed something great like a giant headstone inscribed to describe my shameful fate i hadn’t been building (building) the time was spent digging (digging) an ugly truth from which there was no way to escape (escape) nowhere left to hide and then finally forced to face what i’d become buried alive inside of my own grave (my grave) and there's no one else to blame buried alive inside of my own grave (my grave) what i’d become buried alive inside my own grave beneath my pride crushing me beneath my lies collapsing but we are still alive we are still alive buried alive inside of my own grave and there's no one else to blame buried alive inside of my own grave MY OWN GRAVE buried alive inside of my own grave and there's no one else to blame the lies and the weight, i know i lost my way (my way) what i’d become buried alive inside of my own grave (my grave) and there's no one else to blame buried alive… buried alive finally forced to face what i’d become what i’d become in my own grave (buried) in my own grave (alive)

by Hardcore Christian Fri Jun 08, 2018 7:51 pm

bjorn agin wrote:To be honest I never listened to the band before, but that video sounds very much like a Demon Hunter song. Is that their typical sound?

Mostly they have always been fairly melodic

by bigtreads Sat Jun 09, 2018 12:38 am

wow this tune smokes

by My Awesome Timothy Sat Jun 09, 2018 1:55 am

Temple of Blood wrote:Those guys are total whores for working with that murderer again.

1 Corinthians 5:
"It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that is intolerable even among pagans: A man has his father’s wife. And you are proud! Shouldn’t you rather have been stricken with grief and removed from your fellowship the man who did this?…"

Do pagans tolerate the attempted murder of a woman?

I see not a thing funny about this.

Wow!!!

by 11razorwire Sat Jun 09, 2018 11:16 am

Digging this song.

by Hardcore Christian Sat Jun 09, 2018 12:37 pm

bigtreads wrote:wow this tune smokes

11razorwire wrote:Digging this song.

I have listened to it so many times now Very Happy

by timekeeper Mon Jun 11, 2018 8:34 am

Temple of Blood wrote:Those guys are total whores for working with that murderer again.

1 Corinthians 5:
"It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that is intolerable even among pagans: A man has his father’s wife. And you are proud! Shouldn’t you rather have been stricken with grief and removed from your fellowship the man who did this?…"

Do pagans tolerate the attempted murder of a woman?

I see not a thing funny about this.

Just a bit harsh there, don't you think? No one knows someone's heart, God does, and scripture is clear about casting stones on others. Sure, he messed up badly, but so have I, and I'm sure you have as well.

by bjorn agin Mon Jun 11, 2018 10:13 am

timekeeper wrote:Just a bit harsh there, don't you think? No one knows someone's heart, God does, and scripture is clear about casting stones on others. Sure, he messed up badly, but so have I, and I'm sure you have as well.

That's a problem with how society treats those who have spent time in prison. According to the justice system. The offender has served their time, and "justice has been served". But society treats them like they have a permanent strike against them.

But what does Jesus say to do?

by Fearless For The King Mon Jun 11, 2018 12:15 pm

First off, I like the song. I was kinda just lurking around the forum but this made me log in. We are not the judge of any man, Christ is. I felt lied to when Tim came out and said all the crazy stuff he said after he got caught trying to kill his wife. How he hadn't been a Christian in years and all the other stuff, (no need to hash it out here, it's all on the internet to re-read if you want). It's tough when someone we look up to falls, especially as far as Tim did, but if he has truly repented of his sins and come back to Christ, than Christ has forgiven him and so should we. As believers we need to lift him and As I Lay Dying up to the Lord. We don't have to like AILD or Tim for that matter, we don't have to support this band financially. I believe that we will see by Tim's actions as he moves forward if he is truly a believer or not. He will either have fruit or he won't. It will take a lot to trust him again but if he truly has repented than the Lord will glorify himself through Tim and the band. All of us should pray for and hope for the best, not condemn a man for he was before we see who he has become. "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone"

by petrafan007 Mon Jun 11, 2018 3:11 pm

Wow, this song was incredible. I for one have to say that what he did was disgusting but not the unforgivable sin. I think he needs mercy because---had I been in that same situation---I would be begging for that same mercy to be given to me. I think what Satan meant for evil God will turn into something good. There is a lot of potential here.

by GACatmandu Tue Jun 12, 2018 5:08 pm

You have to be kidding me most of you are defending a guy that tried to have his wife murdered, that's sick, not just sick, it's a special kind of sick.

What about the book you all say you believe in so much, what does that say about murder? What about the Ten Commandments?

The guy should at the very least still be in jail, should be replaced as the singer of this band, and should never work in any Christian field of employment ever again.

Funny how Christians are so willing to completely forgive something like this, and go about their merry way as long as they like the output, last I thought of forgiveness if one so chooses to forgive it doesn't mean you have to go back to the way things were before the thing one is forgiven for.

anyway, this isn't the only time Christians have chosen to look past something that should really influence their decision making, and they go in the completely wrong direction, and it won't be the last.

I haven't posted here in a long, long time, and to be honest this topic has reminded me of some of the reasons why.

Have Fun
later.

by Livna Tue Jun 12, 2018 6:48 pm

GACatmandu wrote:You have to be kidding me most of you are defending a guy that tried to have his wife murdered, that's sick, not just sick, it's a special kind of sick.

What about the book you all say you believe in so much, what does that say about murder? What about the Ten Commandments?

The guy should at the very least still be in jail, should be replaced as the singer of this band, and should never work in any Christian field of employment ever again.

Funny how Christians are so willing to completely forgive something like this, and go about their merry way as long as they like the output, last I thought of forgiveness if one so chooses to forgive it doesn't mean you have to go back to the way things were before the thing one is forgiven for.

anyway, this isn't the only time Christians have chosen to look past something that should really influence their decision making, and they go in the completely wrong direction, and it won't be the last.

I haven't posted here in a long, long time, and to be honest this topic has reminded me of some of the reasons why.

Have Fun
later.

I would have to agree with you in regards to AILD. Was never a big fan of them but that’s neither here or there. Yes as Christians we need to forgive him but that doesn’t mean we should automatically accept him back in society let alone a front man for a Christian band.

by Hardcore Christian Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:35 am

Livna wrote:
GACatmandu wrote:You have to be kidding me most of you are defending a guy that tried to have his wife murdered, that's sick, not just sick, it's a special kind of sick.

What about the book you all say you believe in so much, what does that say about murder? What about the Ten Commandments?

The guy should at the very least still be in jail, should be replaced as the singer of this band, and should never work in any Christian field of employment ever again.

Funny how Christians are so willing to completely forgive something like this, and go about their merry way as long as they like the output, last I thought of forgiveness if one so chooses to forgive it doesn't mean you have to go back to the way things were before the thing one is forgiven for.

anyway, this isn't the only time Christians have chosen to look past something that should really influence their decision making, and they go in the completely wrong direction, and it won't be the last.

I haven't posted here in a long, long time, and to be honest this topic has reminded me of some of the reasons why.

Have Fun
later.

I would have to agree with you in regards to AILD. Was never a big fan of them but that’s neither here or there. Yes as Christians we need to forgive him but that doesn’t mean we should automatically accept him back in society let alone a front man for a Christian band.

I didn't know their were Christian fields of employment? Can you direct me to the correct website so I can sign up?

Not to get all theological but all sin is the same, and its up to the individual to forgive

Christ forgave so I will as well

If this song sucked I would still feel the same way, the biggest thing to me is if these guys (the other members) who were betrayed can forgive, I think I should be able to as well

And one last thing, (maybe I shouldnt have put it in the Christian section) but they have not said they are a Christian band at all lol!

I honestly doubt the other members are, other than maybe Tim, if what he said in that AP interview is true, then he supposedly is, but other than him I would not call them a Christian band anyway

by petrafan007 Wed Jun 13, 2018 8:43 am

GACatmandu wrote:You have to be kidding me most of you are defending a guy that tried to have his wife murdered, that's sick, not just sick, it's a special kind of sick.

What about the book you all say you believe in so much, what does that say about murder? What about the Ten Commandments?

The guy should at the very least still be in jail, should be replaced as the singer of this band, and should never work in any Christian field of employment ever again.

Funny how Christians are so willing to completely forgive something like this, and go about their merry way as long as they like the output, last I thought of forgiveness if one so chooses to forgive it doesn't mean you have to go back to the way things were before the thing one is forgiven for.

anyway, this isn't the only time Christians have chosen to look past something that should really influence their decision making, and they go in the completely wrong direction, and it won't be the last.

I haven't posted here in a long, long time, and to be honest this topic has reminded me of some of the reasons why.

Have Fun
later.

Kidding me? I understanding forgiving people who do vile things is tough. But, you might as well tell Jesus that he has got to be kidding you for dying for ALL of us (scumbags even worse than him) while we were yet sinners. Surely, there must be some universe in which this guy could repent, ask for forgiveness, and redeem himself. If ANYONE could fathom that, it should be a Christian. Forgiveness means COMPLETE forgiveness. It doesn't mean forget and full trust. But for AILD to allow him back in the band SPEAKS to that he is genuine and wants to change for the better. They all had to agree on it. Lastly, who are we to say he shouldn't be allowed to do any Christian band again?

If this is a reason why you don't want to post here, then so be it. We will not apologize for extreme grace and forgiveness...as that is what Jesus would do.

by Kerrick Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:14 am

Forgiveness is an interesting topic... Perhaps someone should start a thread specifically about it? I'm curious what folks have to say about the role of repentance as a requirement for forgiveness, as an example.

by Temple of Blood Wed Jun 13, 2018 10:15 am

This isn't about sin, it's about sincere repentance. It's about not accepting behavior that even the pagan world wouldn't tolerate, as I demonstrated above from quoted scripture. We should have higher standards than heathens. Serving 2 years for murder isn't even in the neighborhood of "serving his time".

If they were reuniting and giving 100% of the profit to his wife it would appear to be sincere.

But I imagine that the people who fell for their faux Christian act (as they admitted) before will fall for it again.

by Devon Hill Wed Jun 13, 2018 12:07 pm

I understand the healthiness of showing true repentance, and not only serving the proper jail time, but also showing and initiating submission to others in a structured process to show this repentance and to work out the issues properly in your life. Many pastors that fall due to sexual sin as an example go through this time of submission to others, letting go of their pastoral role for a season, and when they are healed and set free from the issues that caused the sin in the first place, it is possible God will release them back into ministry once again (or sometimes not).

However, I am curious to hear the thoughts of those that disagree that Tim should be back in the band. Is this simply due to the perceived lack of doing something similar as above? I'm curious to hear your thoughts if the same thing happened with a secular artist. As an example, let's say the singer of Cannibal Corpse did the same thing as Tim, served his jail sentence, issued a sincere apology, and then desired to join Cannibal Corpse again. Would you be opposed to that? If so, why? If not, why? What if he started a brand new band? Would you be opposed to that? Again why or why not? What if he became a sound guy for the band or something like that (so not the public face of the band) - would you think that was ok? Is it only the fact that it is perceived as a Christian band that is causing the concern of Tim joining again? Just curious to hear your thoughts on the matter.

by strangerhoncho Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:18 pm

Temple of Blood wrote:Those guys are total whores for working with that murderer again.

1 Corinthians 5:
"It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that is intolerable even among pagans: A man has his father’s wife. And you are proud! Shouldn’t you rather have been stricken with grief and removed from your fellowship the man who did this?…"

Do pagans tolerate the attempted murder of a woman?

I see not a thing funny about this.

That passage is about unrepentant people flaunting their sin as acceptable and laudable within Christian community. Not relevant to this situation, where a man has been punished, has repented, and is remorseful and seeking to make amends to those he can.

"You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, 'You shall not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.' But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, 'Raca,' is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell." -- Matthew 5:22-23

So we're all just as guilty, according to Jesus. It's a scandalous, ridiculous thing that we can repent of the worst sins and be covered by his blood, but that's the crux of Christianity. We don't get to judge who is sincere and who is not, lest we presume to be God.

The world is where there is no forgiveness for the repentant sinner. Every one a self-righteous judge, stone ready in hand.

by strangerhoncho Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:33 pm

I forget what podcast it was, but I heard an interesting discussion about what careers should be permissable for people who have sinned publicly and have repented. As a society we seem to have a problem with people doing the same career after they've fallen from grace and come back. So is it ok for them to do something else? Or can they only be a janitor or some other bottom level job usually open to ex-cons? Or should they never be allowed to work again and just be homeless/supported by our taxes? Or should they just be killed off, problem solved?

It's an interesting question for those who are unable to forgive. Where does your judgement stop? What is the acceptable role in society for those you cannot forgive?

by timekeeper Wed Jun 13, 2018 3:58 pm

strangerhoncho wrote:
Temple of Blood wrote:Those guys are total whores for working with that murderer again.

1 Corinthians 5:
"It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that is intolerable even among pagans: A man has his father’s wife. And you are proud! Shouldn’t you rather have been stricken with grief and removed from your fellowship the man who did this?…"

Do pagans tolerate the attempted murder of a woman?

I see not a thing funny about this.

That passage is about unrepentant people flaunting their sin as acceptable and laudable within Christian community. Not relevant to this situation, where a man has been punished, has repented, and is remorseful and seeking to make amends to those he can.

"You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, 'You shall not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.' But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, 'Raca,' is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell." -- Matthew 5:22-23

So we're all just as guilty, according to Jesus. It's a scandalous, ridiculous thing that we can repent of the worst sins and be covered by his blood, but that's the crux of Christianity. We don't get to judge who is sincere and who is not, lest we presume to be God.

The world is where there is no forgiveness for the repentant sinner. Every one a self-righteous judge, stone ready in hand.

True Christianity...well said.

by Temple of Blood Wed Jun 13, 2018 4:21 pm

strangerhoncho wrote:
Temple of Blood wrote:Those guys are total whores for working with that murderer again.

1 Corinthians 5:
"It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that is intolerable even among pagans: A man has his father’s wife. And you are proud! Shouldn’t you rather have been stricken with grief and removed from your fellowship the man who did this?…"

Do pagans tolerate the attempted murder of a woman?

I see not a thing funny about this.

That passage is about unrepentant people flaunting their sin as acceptable and laudable within Christian community. Not relevant to this situation, where a man has been punished, has repented, and is remorseful and seeking to make amends to those he can.

"You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, 'You shall not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.' But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, 'Raca,' is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell." -- Matthew 5:22-23

So we're all just as guilty, according to Jesus. It's a scandalous, ridiculous thing that we can repent of the worst sins and be covered by his blood, but that's the crux of Christianity. We don't get to judge who is sincere and who is not, lest we presume to be God.

The world is where there is no forgiveness for the repentant sinner. Every one a self-righteous judge, stone ready in hand.

I thought I made it clear before that this isn't about forgiveness.

Serving two years for murdering a woman isn't "punishment". The only reason she isn't dead is because he is incompetent, not because he didn't have every intention of murdering her.

He has still not faced the appropriate punishment. It's ludicrous that the Christian community should have lower standards for behavior than the pagan community.

He is not "seeking to make amends to those he can" either. This is MURDER we're talking about, not a theft or something. Give the money from AILD to his wife and kids and get a real job on the side if you really want to TRY to make amends. He would never do that because this is all about him, as it always has been.

If you think 2 years is just fine, why not 2 hours in jail? I mean, let's not judge his heart amirite? He repented as soon as the handcuffs were snapped on. Stop conflating the issue.

I think a lot of this "forgiveness" is really just folks who couldn't care less if his wife had actually been murdered. But do unto others, right? If she was my loved one, I would want him to do his time. You guys would be OK with only 2 years served if it was your wife/mother/daughter?

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