Star Wars general chat (possible spoilers)

Aaron C wrote:theres nothing written or said that the Knights of Ren use the Force, Snoke would be the Dark Side Master, Luke the Jedi Master. just because he is hiding or in solitude (like Yoda and Obi Wan were) he is still alive and still a Jedi. Also gotta remember he was seeking out to rebuild an entire order and failed with Ben Solo. So while he might blame himself , he is probably also seeking out more lore on the jedi so that he would'nt fail again. But hiding or not he is Still a being who uses the force. Kylo and Rey being the obvious apprentices. So with Rey training as a Jedi (as im sure we will see in EP8) the Force will once again be balanced. However... This movie was about the Force awakening not balancing people seem to be focusing on the balance and not the awakening.

Yes, and the whole "awakening" thing is sorta my basis for conjecture that she may not be of the direct familial lineage as the Skywalker/Solo clan or Kenobi, which is another popular fan theory.  Is there a "better" way for the Force to "awaken" than for it to spawn another agent of balance?  It IS blatantly obvious that the dark side holds the majority of the power at this point.....just as there was an overwhelming advantage for the light side when Anakin was made.

Although, from a technical standpoint, with Anakin being Force-spawned, IF this were to also to be the case with Rey, they would technically share a progenitor and this still be of the same lineage......from a certain point of view......

To me Rey is granddaughter of Luke and Ren killed her parents

Darth Vader wrote:To me Rey is granddaughter of Luke and Ren killed her parents 

Chronological impossibility, given the canonical timeline.  Not enough time between ROTJ and TFA for this to be the case.  Rey is 20, Luke is only in his early 50's.  The math there pretty much dictates any kids Luke had would have to have been born before he ever got involved with the Rebellion.

messiaen77 wrote:I'm gonna drop this here, leave a warning about strong language, and let it stand on its own.

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Apologies to those without Facebook, I can't find another link.

Missed your post earlier, but read the article thanks to Facebook.

It's VERY spot on.  As I told another friend, IF one is going to level a criticism at TFA, it's that it is SO nuanced and subtle that the fine details go right over the head of the opiated masses....

I don't remember where, but I read a theory that Rey is actually the reincarnated Anakin.  It was out there, but it was written well enough to make sense at the time.  I am not ready to buy that, however.

There is also a theory using a picture of Snoke now and Vader right before he died saying that Snoke is a reincarnated Vader.  That theory seems plausible.  The Emperor supposedly had power over death by learning the secret and killing his master.  What if Vader also had?  What if he really didn't convert back to the good side of the Force?  That could be why his "force ghost" in the updated ROTJ was his younger self.  It could have been a hint that Vader is coming back because he really was playing on Luke's naivety and feelings.  The theory also said that they believed that Vader would indeed come back so that he could finish what he started--turning Luke to the Dark Side.

That would make an awesome storyline.  You could also have Kylo Ren be jealous that Snoke/Vader wanted Luke.  You could have a family in turmoil if Luke had to strike Ren down in battle.  Rey could be the one to destroy Vader once and for all and turn her possible father back as well or even destroy Luke to bring the Force back into balance.

There are SO many possibilities.  I am hoping that Disney drops a couple of easter eggs into "Rogue One" when it releases in December.  I also hope that they manage to bring Vader and the Emperor back into that as this film takes place between the prequels and the original series.

Not possible either as it seems that at the end of episode VI Anakin went back to the light and appeared in form of hologram with Yoda and Obi Wan

How the ending scene could have gone, LOL

^

alldatndensum wrote:There is also a theory using a picture of Snoke now and Vader right before he died saying that Snoke is a reincarnated Vader.  That theory seems plausible.  The Emperor supposedly had power over death by learning the secret and killing his master.  What if Vader also had?  What if he really didn't convert back to the good side of the Force?  That could be why his "force ghost" in the updated ROTJ was his younger self.  It could have been a hint that Vader is coming back because he really was playing on Luke's naivety and feelings.  The theory also said that they believed that Vader would indeed come back so that he could finish what he started--turning Luke to the Dark Side.

That would make an awesome storyline.  You could also have Kylo Ren be jealous that Snoke/Vader wanted Luke.  You could have a family in turmoil if Luke had to strike Ren down in battle.  Rey could be the one to destroy Vader once and for all and turn her possible father back as well or even destroy Luke to bring the Force back into balance.

There are SO many possibilities.  I am hoping that Disney drops a couple of easter eggs into "Rogue One" when it releases in December.  I also hope that they manage to bring Vader and the Emperor back into that as this film takes place between the prequels and the original series.

Saw it a second time today, plan on at least one more time

I probably won't go back to the theater to see it again, but I am sure that I will watch it several times on Blu-Ray.

alldatndensum wrote:I probably won't go back to the theater to see it again, but I am sure that I will watch it several times on Blu-Ray.

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I read the reincarnation theory last week. Interesting but I do think its a bit far fetched. I think that would make for an interesting story, but I cant recall ever hearing of anyone being reincarnated in any of the other movies. I think adding reincarnation would just cheapen the movies and make it feel like a desperate story.

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Why is Harrison Ford shown as being in Episode VIII on IMDB? Is it for a story in the present time or for backstory?

From what I understand he has already shot his scenes... Unknown why, but I heard this before I saw TFA (that scenes were already shot for the next film).

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There is also a theory using a picture of Snoke now and Vader right before he died saying that Snoke is a reincarnated Vader.  That theory seems plausible.  The Emperor supposedly had power over death by learning the secret and killing his master.  What if Vader also had?  What if he really didn't convert back to the good side of the Force?  That could be why his "force ghost" in the updated ROTJ was his younger self.  It could have been a hint that Vader is coming back because he really was playing on Luke's naivety and feelings.  The theory also said that they believed that Vader would indeed come back so that he could finish what he started--turning Luke to the Dark Side.

I seriously doubt Snoak is a reincarnated vader, The whole original trilogy was about the Redemption of Anakin Skywalker. In the novelization of Return of the Jedi when Anakin died his body vanished like Yoda and Obi Wan and the body that Luke burned was just the machine part of Anakin (Vader) the reason why his younger self is shown as a Force ghost was IMO to put a recognizable face for Anakin since Christensen played Anakin for EP 2 and 3, the whole premise for the Anakin Force ghost was to show the viewers that he was redeemed. To me this theory is like trying to convince me that Brussel Sprout tastes like a pizza.


My Theory on Snoak is that maybe he was Plageuis' Master (or Snoak is Plageuis despite the actor who plays him denying it) supposidly he has been around a long time. THe plausable theory for me is he was Palpatine's Master. now here's an interesting tid bit.. Nowhere in Revenge of the Sith does Palpatine say that he was trained by Darth Plageuis, you get the impression by the story Palpatine tells Anakin. But they never come right out and say it.   Maybe they might take this loop hole and run with it, I think its a bit of a stretch but thats just my theory

Aaron C wrote:

There is also a theory using a picture of Snoke now and Vader right before he died saying that Snoke is a reincarnated Vader.  That theory seems plausible.  The Emperor supposedly had power over death by learning the secret and killing his master.  What if Vader also had?  What if he really didn't convert back to the good side of the Force?  That could be why his "force ghost" in the updated ROTJ was his younger self.  It could have been a hint that Vader is coming back because he really was playing on Luke's naivety and feelings.  The theory also said that they believed that Vader would indeed come back so that he could finish what he started--turning Luke to the Dark Side.

I seriously doubt Snoak is a reincarnated vader, The whole original trilogy was about the Redemption of Anakin Skywalker. In the novelization of Return of the Jedi when Anakin died his body vanished like Yoda and Obi Wan and the body that Luke burned was just the machine part of Anakin (Vader) the reason why his younger self is shown as a Force ghost was IMO to put a recognizable face for Anakin since Christensen played Anakin for EP 2 and 3, the whole premise for the Anakin Force ghost was to show the viewers that he was redeemed. To me this theory is like trying to convince me that Brussel Sprout tastes like a pizza.


My Theory on Snoak is that maybe he was Plageuis' Master (or Snoak is Plageuis despite the actor who plays him denying it) supposidly he has been around a long time. THe plausable theory for me is he was Palpatine's Master. now here's an interesting tid bit.. Nowhere in Revenge of the Sith does Palpatine say that he was trained by Darth Plageuis, you get the impression by the story Palpatine tells Anakin. But they never come right out and say it.   Maybe they might take this loop hole and run with it, I think its a bit of a stretch but thats just my theory

I agree, I don't think the vader thing is true, I just thought it was an interesting theory

I found the theory mind-numbing myself, but it is the Internet after all :p

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That was freagging hilarious

I just read today that Mark Hamill and James Earl Jones never worked together as Jones' lines were recorded later on.

Yes, James Earl Jones only does the voice, the guy in DV suit is a totally different guy

Darth Vader wrote:Yes, James Earl Jones only does the voice, the guy in DV suit is a totally different guy

Yes, we've all know that for decades. I just didn't know that Jones' lines were recorded that much later on after filming was complete.

I thought BB8 was just muddling through the entire film.  Everything seemed forced

I thought the best scene in the film was when Rey has just escaped and Ren finds out and goes on his usual rampage.  Two stormtroopers start walking by when one of them heard Ren tripping out and he stops the other stormtrooper.  Then they head back from where they came

Through The Dark Radio wrote:I thought BB8 was just muddling through the entire film.  Everything seemed forced

I thought the best scene in the film was when Rey has just escaped and Ren finds out and goes on his usual rampage.  Two stormtroopers start walking by when one of them heard Ren tripping out and he stops the other stormtrooper.  Then they head back from where they came

Yes, great scene!

Well, I read a TMZ report that BB8 was often drunk on set, which may explain some of the slurred lines.