St. Anger: Garbage or underrated?

Pethead wrote:Agreed with the above. RiB isn’t even a top 3 Slayer album.

Airola wrote:

TZ75 wrote:

Airola wrote:

Constantine wrote:

Pethead wrote:Also, fast and aggressive isn’t a barometer of quality.

Amen.  Because if speed and aggression is all someone looks for in a band, I can show them 1,000's of bands who are fast and aggressive but their material is mediocre at best and poor at worst.

Like for example Reign in Blood.

I actually probably like St. Anger more than Reign in Blood even though Angel of Death and Raining Blood are five star masterpieces. The rest of it is just meh.

Even with the criticism that Reign gets here at the CMR, it’s shocking that you prefer the sloppy and out of tune SA over it! Let’s be honest, Reign is downgraded mostly for the lyrical content… 

SA is plain bad musically and the lyrics are kinda midlife crisis cringe. 

At least Reign is tightly played and Lombardo had a great drum sound and performance.

I don't care much about what the lyrics are.
I mean hey, I like Manowar too and they are singing "if you're not into metal, you're not my friend"

When it comes to playing tightly and having a great drum sound and performance, I'll just point you to look into The Evil Addiction Destroying Machine which is probably the best example of those qualities not making a good record

Honestly of course Reign in Blood is not a bad album, but by looking at how much appreciated it is - many saying it's the all time best metal album - and then looking into how much of it just is forgettable for me I think it's a very good example of an overrated album.

As it was already said, being fast and aggressive alone doesn't make any album good. There needs to be something special within all that speed and aggression. For me, while Dark Angel's Darkness Descends doesn't have a single song that is as good as Angel of Death or Raining Blood and while I can't probably really even tell which song is which for the most part, Darkness Descends still is a lot better album on the whole than Reign in Blood. There is that extra something in the riffs, in the aggression, in the attitude and in the performance that makes in unbelievably listenable and one of my all time favorite metal albums.

Airola wrote:

Airola wrote:

Pethead wrote:Agreed with the above. RiB isn’t even a top 3 Slayer album.

01. Seasons in the Abyss | (1990) | 3,80
02. Divine Intervention | (1994) | 3,45
03. Reign in Blood | (1986) | 3,25
04. South of Heaven | (1988) | 3,10
05. Hell Awaits | (1985) | 3,07
06. Show No Mercy | (1983) | 2,80
07. Christ Illusion | (2006) | 2,80
08. World Painted Blood | (2009) | 2,73
09. Diabolus in Musica | (1998) | 2,60
10. Repentless | (2015) | 2,58
11. God Hates Us All | (2001) | 2,54
12. Undisputed Attitude | (1996) | 2,36



If Angel of Death and Raining Blood weren't so good (and let be honest though, Raining Blood would be better if it was shorter), Reign in Blood would certainly fall a few spots down in the list. Let's say I would certainly rather listen to Reign in Blood than Christ Illusion and anything under that in the list. Some songs in Diabolus in Musica have grown on me more after I made that list though. It would probably need to be one or two spots higher.

Black Rider wrote:I've decided Cressler is here to educate the fogies here about SA an how incredible nu metal is.

Airola wrote:This might sound like I'm trolling but actually one of the best things I enjoy in Kill Em All is James' voice! I have a soft spot for the kind of singing where the voice cracks a lot. For example one of my favorite vocal performances is by Devil Dan of Cross Examination in their album Menace 2 Sobriety. He changed his singing style a lot later because going with that would've destroyed his voice completely. I love actually great singers like Eric Adams from Manowar but I also love the singers who shamelessly let all of their inabilities shine but they clearly belt it out with no walls between them and the mike, with no false pretense.

TZ75 wrote:My top three Slayer albums. 

1. Seasons in the Abyss 
2. Divine Intervention 
3. South of Heaven 

My reason is because of the tempo diversity of the songs, Jeff Hanneman’s integration of his spooky riffs and the lyrical move away from satanic to: social, political and war themes. 

It’s more “me” friendly. 

TZ75 wrote:My top three Slayer albums. 

1. Seasons in the Abyss 
2. Divine Intervention 
3. South of Heaven 

My reason is because of the tempo diversity of the songs, Jeff Hanneman’s integration of his spooky riffs and the lyrical move away from satanic to: social, political and war themes. 

It’s more “me” friendly. 

StevenCressler wrote:

TZ75 wrote:My top three Slayer albums. 

1. Seasons in the Abyss 
2. Divine Intervention 
3. South of Heaven 

My reason is because of the tempo diversity of the songs, Jeff Hanneman’s integration of his spooky riffs and the lyrical move away from satanic to: social, political and war themes. 

It’s more “me” friendly. 

I swear DI switched from #3 to #2 right before my eyes... unless I just read it wrong

Temple of Blood wrote:If St. Anger isn't garbage then nothing is garbage.

StevenCressler wrote:

Temple of Blood wrote:If St. Anger isn't garbage then nothing is garbage.

LuLu?

StevenCressler wrote:

Temple of Blood wrote:If St. Anger isn't garbage then nothing is garbage.

LuLu?

TZ75 wrote:

StevenCressler wrote:

Temple of Blood wrote:If St. Anger isn't garbage then nothing is garbage.

LuLu?

LuLu is even worse that SA.

TZ75 wrote:Metallica could be considered the best example of not caring what the fans want when they make albums. 

They make some very left-field decisions. They are millionaires that take chances and don’t care. It’s just a hobby for them, and an excuse to play live and tour. Most of their money comes from the live gigs and t-shirts. 

But at this point, they know that they will automatically be loved by their fans no matter what they throw out there.

Dustofyears wrote:

TZ75 wrote:Metallica could be considered the best example of not caring what the fans want when they make albums. 

They make some very left-field decisions. They are millionaires that take chances and don’t care. It’s just a hobby for them, and an excuse to play live and tour. Most of their money comes from the live gigs and t-shirts. 

But at this point, they know that they will automatically be loved by their fans no matter what they throw out there.

Yep. Been flogging that horse for a while, Metallica is all about money and they could careless about their fans but smile at them so the money keeps rolling in. They are a business and a brand like McDonald's and no longer a band.

And their fans are the dumbest on the planet. They accept anything this business with instruments in hands will pump out. They are no better than Taylor Swift fans in my eyes.