Vengeance Rising are back, but not in the way that we imagine...

(from a Simon Karnes' post in 'Vengeance Rising Once Dead Fan' group on Facebook).

In celebration with the 35th anniversery of Human Sacrafice being avaliable, I have some great news.
I am now the bass player for Vengeance Rising and me and Roger are in the pre stages of writing a new record!!!
Here is a message from the man himself  Roger Martinez 
Sup./ Roger Martinez of Vengeance here. I’ve been doing 2023 interviews which you can see by going to YouTube and typing in my name with AHC “Roger Martinez AHC”  It will pull up the first 3 interviews.  Also, my phone number is in the first video so you can call me.   I’d really like to touch base with you and get you the very latest gnarly Vengeance songs written this year. Roxx should be putting my contact info in with the pre-orders. We’re contacting him as soon as the sun comes up.  Look forward to talking with you.  Roger   Oh WTF.. I replied to several persons around 1AM California time.. and my replies have been erased in a few hours… what the hell Is that?  … and everyone.. Simon Karnes is the new Vengeance Rising Bassist and speaks for the band.  So, watch his YouTube Channel and our interviews together.  We’re here to talk to you, old or new fans and friends.    Roxx never contacted us about this “Box Release”  I would have certainly done a better job. You’ve seen my work on the Before The Time video off my 3rd album right?  Simon and I have got a whole lotta love of new gnarly Vengeance Rising material for you coming up.  Check it and get my phone number on our video Pt. 1 on YouTube. Just type in “Roger Martinez AHC” and it will pull up the first 3 interviews of this year. My phone number is 10 minutes in on Pt 1. (25 min interview.) Then call me so we can talk friends.  Roger, Simon and Sailor Jerry out.


Here is also the phone number for Roger, 1-424-264-8777 feel free to reach out to him or email him at Vengeance.Rising2023@gmail.com


we look forward to what the next year will bring old and new Vengeance Rising Fans.
Roger and Simon

Didn’t Roger try to record some anti-Christian stuff under the VR name after the band’s demise?

This probably shouldn't be in the Christian section.

I will be shocked if this actually materializes.

Sounds like this dude Simon was sucked into Roger's scam... 

He can be very convincing and charming....

Just ask Shannon Frye.

Simon is a basic bass player. He even admits that he is. I’m confident if this VR thing happens, it will be really low level musicianship.

"Gnarly"? Major wipeout, Roger!!!

If Roger does start a new band, the promotional info for it really doesn't belong in the Christian section.  
He has made it clear that he is anti-Christian so that means he switched teams and wears a different jersey now.

It’s possible they may manage to record one crusty song to make it seem legit. But a full album? Nope. 

And Roger hasn’t done anything music related for decades. He’s had some major health issues too. Chances are his voice won’t be strong. 

This whole thing is just a sad attempt to spread their atheism.

all this chatter proves we're taking the bait too

Roger hasn't stayed current in the metal scene at all.... and you're right: he's had health issues....

And, this dude Simon is more Christian than he thinks... trust me. I've talked to him myself.

He may not intellectually "believe" like a Christian, but he still acts like one, especially in the statements he made to me on the phone.... And, Roger is legally "handing off" all of VR to this guy who runs a mediocre tattoo shop? Just let that sink in.

this "album" ain't gonna happen.... 

but, who knows? I've been wrong before... The Misfits reunited and that shocked everyone...

But, I've talked to Roger on the phone at least a dozen times in my life and it's all "scary" and "intimidating" and desperate too.... He begged me and my wife for money several times back in the late 90's

but who knows? I still love him and I have TONS of VR posters in my man cave with his picture on it.... I'll always be a fan

Black Rider wrote:This probably shouldn't be in the Christian section.

Yeah, my bad...

But as he talked a little about the last VR box set, I thinked that post could be here, but sure you're right about this change

If Roger does start a new band, the promotional info for it really doesn't belong in the Christian section.  
He has made it clear that he is anti-Christian so that means he switched teams and wears a different jersey now.

Well, most preachers say all our future sins are forgiven... so it's all good up in Roger's hood!

So is he like a satanist now or something?

B Judson wrote:

If Roger does start a new band, the promotional info for it really doesn't belong in the Christian section.  
He has made it clear that he is anti-Christian so that means he switched teams and wears a different jersey now.

Well, most preachers say all our future sins are forgiven... so it's all good up in Roger's hood!

So is he like a satanist now or something?

He is a satanist since 1999 or earlier

Lex Metalis wrote:

B Judson wrote:

If Roger does start a new band, the promotional info for it really doesn't belong in the Christian section.  
He has made it clear that he is anti-Christian so that means he switched teams and wears a different jersey now.

Well, most preachers say all our future sins are forgiven... so it's all good up in Roger's hood!

So is he like a satanist now or something?

He is a satanist since 1999 or earlier

a "so called" satanist since around '93 or '94 I'm guessing after the "Released" tour because I spoke to him on the phone several times in '98 and he was already identifying himself as a LaVeyan satanist.

although he still acts like a Christian sometimes... there's plenty of proof in the No Budget #2 video where he whines and feels compassion for other people who can't vote

A true LaVeyan satanist minds his OWN business and only cares if he or she can vote... not other people. Caring about what other people do and whether or not they can vote is very Christian of him and that's just one example I can point out....

The LaVeyan satanist is only concerned about their OWN team, their OWN tribe, their OWN gang, their OWN coven, etc. or only themselves. NOT other people or what other people do, or wear, or say or act.

I seriously doubt he's ever read anything by Michael Aquino or the ONA, etc... seriously doubt it. He's a satanist just like Glen Benton is a "satanist" LoL

I seen his Vengeance website back in 1998 and it was indeed full of satanic content. Although it came across as a rebellious child looking for attention rather than the real deal. That’s why he identifies as an atheist nowadays. It was all theater to shock his fans. 

He claims he changed because he never found proof of God healing people. But it originally happened because his divorce and his former bandmates “betraying” him. It was a series of things… like Michael Douglas in the movie Falling down. 

God never forced anyone into heaven. Unless Roger repents and returns to Jesus like Gary Lenaire did (a true Prodigal Son), he is lost. I think a lot of people misinterpret “once saved, always saved”. Show me where in the Bible that God ever forced anyone to go to heaven? They all believed.

Keep in mind that Roger still has hope… until he dies. God can forgive any sin (except unbelief). That is the unpardonable sin.

At the risk of derailing this a little bit, TZ75, how can you say that unbelief is unforgivable? Every convert was an unbeliever at some point. If that sin is unforgivable, then no one can be saved.

For people who die in their unbelief, they aren't forgiven for it, nor are they forgiven for any of their other sins. But for those who believe, they are forgiven for all their sins.

I agree that "once saved, always saved" is often misunderstood, which is why I like "perseverance of the saints" more.

CrimsonWarrior wrote:At the risk of derailing this a little bit, TZ75, how can you say that unbelief is unforgivable? Every convert was an unbeliever at some point. If that sin is unforgivable, then no one can be saved.

For people who die in their unbelief, they aren't forgiven for it, nor are they forgiven for any of their other sins. But for those who believe, they are forgiven for all their sins.

I agree that "once saved, always saved" is often misunderstood, which is why I like "perseverance of the saints" more.

There’s a difference between our unbelief before we believed and turning away after you believed. Isn’t that a form of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit? 

Furthermore, I don’t see how a person that was truly converted and born again can stay in a state of unbelief until they die. That’s why I’m hoping that Roger comes around soon. I don’t know his heart or if he truly believed. He himself said he was a quick convert that jumped headfirst in it. He had the knowledge and he memorized scripture. But the Bible warns of false converts and wolves in sheep’s clothing. Look at Judas. 

I don’t know… I hope he returns to the faith soon. I thought Gary Lenaire was gone… but God brought him back.

Okay that makes more sense. I thought you were stating that all unbelief is unpardonable.

CrimsonWarrior wrote:Okay that makes more sense. I thought you were stating that all unbelief is unpardonable.

No, sorry I didn’t clarify what I meant. I was talking about blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. 

Isn’t there a verse or a saying that said: it would be better to have never believed than to have believed and walk away… 

Also, I can’t recall the exact verse… but there is one that says something like: they came from among us, but they were not one of us.

2 Peter 2:20–22

1 John 2:19

I don’t want to derail the discussion and bring the theology into this thread. It’s just too easy though… because the lyrics and the subject was from a former Christian band.

Pethead wrote:2 Peter 2:20–22

1 John 2:19

Thank you!

I can always count on you to find things.

That’s one of the reasons why Kerrick considers me his personal hero.

Pethead wrote:That’s one of the reasons why Kerrick considers me his personal hero.

Awesome!

You’re a cool dude.

Pethead wrote:That’s one of the reasons why Kerrick considers me his personal hero.

It's true.  I've got a lifesize cardboard cutout of Pethead right next to the one of Michael Sweet.