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Top 50 best debuts in Christian rock and hard rock...
Here is the link for the top 50 best debuts in Christian rock and hard rock:
http://classicchristianrockzone.blogspot.ca/2015/05/top-50-best-christian-rock-debut-albums.html
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http://classicchristianrockzone.blogspot.ca/2015/05/top-50-best-christian-rock-debut-albums.html
Enjoy...and do comment on this.
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I can't even think of 50 bands I like.
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Disclaimer: I have 38 of the 50 so I can't comment on all of them.
First point: Is it really a "debut" when a band only has 1 or 2 albums period? That's cheating. Also cheating: Love Life and Fear Not both being on the list. Even IF a band with only two albums deserves to be on there at all, it should ONLY be the Love Life album. Guardian, Petra, Tourniquet, and others went through more changes between some albums than Love Life/Fear Not did without changing their name.
Main point: Of the true debut albums on the list, I agree that pretty much all of them deserve to be there somewhere (without nitpicking over placement). My personal votes for #1 would be Tourniquet, Deliverance, Bloodgood, or maybe Larry Norman (more for historical significance than musical quality).
First point: Is it really a "debut" when a band only has 1 or 2 albums period? That's cheating. Also cheating: Love Life and Fear Not both being on the list. Even IF a band with only two albums deserves to be on there at all, it should ONLY be the Love Life album. Guardian, Petra, Tourniquet, and others went through more changes between some albums than Love Life/Fear Not did without changing their name.
Main point: Of the true debut albums on the list, I agree that pretty much all of them deserve to be there somewhere (without nitpicking over placement). My personal votes for #1 would be Tourniquet, Deliverance, Bloodgood, or maybe Larry Norman (more for historical significance than musical quality).
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I have 29 of 50 of these
I agree with the Morti, Holy Soldier, Tourniquet, Bloodgood and such
but ya the bands that only released one or two shouldnt be on there
no offense to Fear Not or Sacrament cause I love those albums
I agree with the Morti, Holy Soldier, Tourniquet, Bloodgood and such
but ya the bands that only released one or two shouldnt be on there
no offense to Fear Not or Sacrament cause I love those albums
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Trytan's Celestial Messenger deserves to be on there more than some of them
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Also more deserving ..
Rob Rock's Rage of Creation
Joshua's The Hand Is Quicker Than The Eye
Rob Rock's Rage of Creation
Joshua's The Hand Is Quicker Than The Eye
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NoOneIsHere wrote:Trytan's Celestial Messenger deserves to be on there more than some of them
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Prodigal's s/t debut album never gets any love..
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Prodigal rules. Scored the s/t vinyl years ago at a pawn store. Picked up the three-album collection on disc last year.
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Hardcore Christian wrote:no offense to Fear Not or Sacrament cause I love those albums
Agreed with those and other 1-2 album bands on the list!
I hope I didn't come across like I don't like Fear Not/Love Life or others. I do! I just don't think they should be on this particular list.
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I think bands with only 1 or 2 releases should be counted.
Whether you release 100 discs or 1, your first album is still your first album.
The big thing about debut albums, to me at least, is that the band usually has an excitement and energy on it that is greater than any later release will have. They also have a surplus of material that they have been refining by playing live, and there is the fact that is their big chance so they go all into it.
Those things I mentioned are present whether or not they release a second album.
Whether you release 100 discs or 1, your first album is still your first album.
The big thing about debut albums, to me at least, is that the band usually has an excitement and energy on it that is greater than any later release will have. They also have a surplus of material that they have been refining by playing live, and there is the fact that is their big chance so they go all into it.
Those things I mentioned are present whether or not they release a second album.
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My number 1 would certainly be Sacred Warrior's Rebellion. This album is amazing and I was revisitng it last week and I was totally blown away once again.
Tourniquet, Mortification, Deliverance, Bloodgood, whitecross, Angelica and Idle Cure would also be in my top ten best debuts.
Tourniquet, Mortification, Deliverance, Bloodgood, whitecross, Angelica and Idle Cure would also be in my top ten best debuts.
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Saviour Machine
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FTW - one of the greatest albums of all-time.Friday13th wrote:Saviour Machine
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My Top 25
Angelica | Angelica |
Barren Cross | Rock for the King |
Bloodgood | Bloodgood |
Bride | Show No Mercy |
Broken Silence | Discerning The Times |
Daniel Band | On Rock |
Eternal Ryte | World Requiem |
Fear Not | Fear Not |
Guardian | First Watch |
Holy Soldier | Holy Soldier |
Idle Cure | Idle Cure |
InnerSiege | Kingdom Of Shadows |
Mastedon | It's a Jungle Out There |
Messiah Prophet | Rock the Flock |
Novella | One Big Sky |
Prodigal | Prodigal |
Rage of Angels | Rage of Angels |
Recon | Behind Enemy Lines |
Sacred Warrior | Rebellion |
Saint | Warriors Of The Son |
Stryper | The Yellow and Black Attack! |
Trytan | Celestial Messenger |
Whitecross | Whitecross |
X-Sinner | Get It |
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You forgot Jacob's Dream.
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NoOneIsHere wrote:I think bands with only 1 or 2 releases should be counted.
Whether you release 100 discs or 1, your first album is still your first album.
The big thing about debut albums, to me at least, is that the band usually has an excitement and energy on it that is greater than any later release will have. They also have a surplus of material that they have been refining by playing live, and there is the fact that is their big chance so they go all into it.
Those things I mentioned are present whether or not they release a second album.
I have to agree with that.
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IMO for me it is quite the contrary at least with Stryper, NMHTP has more energy than their debut!
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KaramKaram wrote:IMO for me it is quite the contrary at least with Stryper, NMHTP has more energy than their debut!
Obviously everyone has their own opinion, but I think Stryper is actually a perfect example of what I was talking about.
NMHTP is a much better record than TYABA, no doubt. But I think it is also a very polished, controlled sound. I love it, don't get me wrong, I just think there was an energy / enthusiasm / excitability that was on TYABA that they will never duplicate.
Of course, being young also helps create energy also. That they can never duplicate due to the laws of nature .
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Superjuice wrote:You forgot Jacob's Dream.
Hmmm..forgot..ignored...two sides of the same coin
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I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. To me "debut" or "first" imply a series. First isn't only, first is first.NoOneIsHere wrote:I think bands with only 1 or 2 releases should be counted.
Whether you release 100 discs or 1, your first album is still your first album.
The big thing about debut albums, to me at least, is that the band usually has an excitement and energy on it that is greater than any later release will have. They also have a surplus of material that they have been refining by playing live, and there is the fact that is their big chance so they go all into it.
Those things I mentioned are present whether or not they release a second album.
I see your point about excitement/energy but I also hope a band keeps improving, not sliding downhill from an "exciting" debut (Demon Hunter is a great example of this). Running with the Stryper example, Soldiers Under Command was toured and "refined by playing live" too and I think it's much better than YABA. Also, Bride's Show No Mercy doesn't fit that criteria. Those aren't Matrix songs in the refinement process (at least, from what I've heard re-released of the Matrix years).
I would have replaced some of the one-off bands on this list with others (Living Sacrifice, etc.).
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Debut is related to first, no matter if it is the only one or a series. Not every debut is the "only", but all the "only" albums are debut, even though debut also applies to the bands that had realeased "n" albums.eatbugs wrote:I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. To me "debut" or "first" imply a series. First isn't only, first is first.NoOneIsHere wrote:I think bands with only 1 or 2 releases should be counted.
Whether you release 100 discs or 1, your first album is still your first album.
The big thing about debut albums, to me at least, is that the band usually has an excitement and energy on it that is greater than any later release will have. They also have a surplus of material that they have been refining by playing live, and there is the fact that is their big chance so they go all into it.
Those things I mentioned are present whether or not they release a second album.
I see your point about excitement/energy but I also hope a band keeps improving, not sliding downhill from an "exciting" debut (Demon Hunter is a great example of this). Running with the Stryper example, Soldiers Under Command was toured and "refined by playing live" too and I think it's much better than YABA. Also, Bride's Show No Mercy doesn't fit that criteria. Those aren't Matrix songs in the refinement process (at least, from what I've heard re-released of the Matrix years).
I would have replaced some of the one-off bands on this list with others (Living Sacrifice, etc.).
For instance, if I am analysing Deliverance, I will analyse the s/t album, and doesn't matter how many albums they have released after that or if they release it or not or if they can release a second album someday.
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It's a good list. Good to see oldies like Lovesong and Stonehill made the list. But i have to agree that Saviour Machine should be on the list. One other i was missing is Veni Domine - Fall Babylon Fall. That one could easily make it into the top 20.
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And Novella - One Big Sky!
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eatbugs wrote:I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. To me "debut" or "first" imply a series. First isn't only, first is first.NoOneIsHere wrote:I think bands with only 1 or 2 releases should be counted.
Whether you release 100 discs or 1, your first album is still your first album.
The big thing about debut albums, to me at least, is that the band usually has an excitement and energy on it that is greater than any later release will have. They also have a surplus of material that they have been refining by playing live, and there is the fact that is their big chance so they go all into it.
Those things I mentioned are present whether or not they release a second album.
I see your point about excitement/energy but I also hope a band keeps improving, not sliding downhill from an "exciting" debut (Demon Hunter is a great example of this). Running with the Stryper example, Soldiers Under Command was toured and "refined by playing live" too and I think it's much better than YABA. Also, Bride's Show No Mercy doesn't fit that criteria. Those aren't Matrix songs in the refinement process (at least, from what I've heard re-released of the Matrix years).
I would have replaced some of the one-off bands on this list with others (Living Sacrifice, etc.).
Hmmmm...I had a reply to this that vanished..oh well..
I think you may be misunderstanding a couple of things I said...
My comment about them refining a song by playing it live wasn't about them making an album and then touring.
An upcoming unsigned band can play clubs for years before getting a chance to record an album. Usually during that time, they will have several songs that become kind of signature songs for them and that they play at every show. By the time they record their first cd, not only will they will have several years worth of written material to choose from, but they will also have some songs will have been performed by them for years prior.
After their first cd, usually all of the songs are written quickly and specifically FOR that album.
And yes, bands SHOULD get better each time out. But still, a young band being all wide eyed and hopeful about their future and excited for their first cd is going to give off an different energy than a veteran band that is polished and professional. Skill & experience is one thing, I am talking purely about energy.
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