Is ONWARD TO FREEDOM a Ted Kirkpatrick solo album or a Tourniquet album?

Ted Kirkpatrick wrote:Thanks for the article Candlemass! Here's my post for NO SOUL... 

http://www.openbible.info/topics/animal_cruelty - 32 verses about animal cruelty

Track 6 – NO SOUL – featuring Dug Pinnick and Bruce Franklin
Hear the track: https://tourniquet.bandcamp.com/…/no-soul-featuring-dug-pin…
Buy the CD: http://www.tourniquet.net/audio.html

The music: No Soul is another song I wrote to best suit and compliment Dug Pinnick's amazing vocals. Dug really made the words come alive as only he can. No Soul needed vocals with soul, and Dug just has that talent and cool voice to do it. I really was blown away by the great harmonies he added too. Bruce Franklin's lead guitar goes great with the vibe. Bruce is a good friend and an awesome guitarist in his band Trouble. He came up to my studio to record and we always have a great time. I never get tired of hearing his signature tone and playing style! We even had a wildlife rescue that day as a small bird was sitting in the middle of the road, apparently slightly hit by a car. We brought to my house, where it soon revived and flew away! How metal is that – haha!


The lyrics: Do animals have a soul? If you mean – are they capable of sinning and therefore have a need to seek forgiveness? Do animals have a need to do something to insure they spend their eternity in heaven? Absolutely not. Animals are innocent. Although it may sometimes appear so – they do not covet in a sinful way, they are not vindictive in an evil way, they don’t do things merely for selfish gain – they don't lie, cheat, and steal for personal gain. They don't cut others down and build themselves up to make them feel better - all those behaviors and more are reserved solely for fallen man. However, animals often show much more of what a soul is than humans do. Pathetically, animals are often much better parents than many humans are – or get along better and show kindness to each other, for example.


I have no doubt that animals – ALL animals – will be in heaven: yes, the same, one-and-only heaven that humans go to. Not just your beloved family pet, but pig #3785 that was born, lived and died at a factory farm, never having been shown any affection or real care whatsoever - or the squashed armadillo along Highway 96 in east Texas that was no match for a car. As Edgar Allan Poe wrote in his short story Berenice, “Convinced myself, I seek not to convince.” I know God loves his creation, I know he sees all things, and I know he is just and loving. Think about it for a second – would God consider one animal important and another not worthy of afterlife? We now know pigs are extremely intelligent, like dogs. Because one looks different and was fortunate enough to interact and live with a family, only that animal gets to cross “the rainbow bridge” to heaven? I know I will see his entire creation of animals – restored in a way only God could dream of doing – and I'll be overjoyed to see them there.


So – as the lyrics say – can they not feel the warmth of the sun upon their faces? And do they not love and guard their young? And do they not fear violence? And... can they not suffer? I call these “soulish” behaviors. Feel free to merely call them “instinct” if it makes you feel better. (And no – I am not dismissing “instinct” in animals) Animals share so much of what we humans call “living”, although animals often have their “living” taken from them to suit humans. Many animals, like Canada geese, mate for life, elephants mourn the death of one of their own, gorillas have been seen to protect their young to the death. Animals do silly things – just for fun. And cows for example - often cry for days as their newborn calves are taken from them so we can drink the mother's milk instead of their babies.


The sad truth is that humans often feel a strong need to dismiss these things, as it makes it easier to use animals for whatever need we feel we have. And proudly declaring “they have no soul” is part of that. Here you go – rock out to this bluesy, doomy, soulful track... Ted


P.S. – I’m occasionally asked “Why write about animals when humans are going to hell unless we share the gospel with them?” I could write a lot about this – one aspect is that a very unique group of Hindu, Buddhist, Muslim, atheist, even Wiccan – are exposed to a Christian’s view of how God not only cares about people, but cares about animals too – just as they do. My other “no brainer” answer: I’ve written dozens of songs about the gospel, from day one of Tourniquet to today. It’s not hard to do BOTH. Kind of like saying “I can’t go to work today, I have to eat”…


NO SOUL
Hung up on semantics - what’s in a word 
Draw a hard line in the sand I have heard 
Take the word “soul” we all know what it means 
But maybe, just maybe it ain’t what it seems
Humans the master race that's what we are 
Animals and creatures, beneath us by far 
Souls, they don't have one, so I’ve been told 
Subservient to us cuz that is their role
So much we share with them, easy to see 
Like they all long, long to be free 
To seek out the things we all want to live by 
Their freedom we should 
never deny, never deny
Can they not suffer 
Do they not want to live 
Are they so different – are we being fair 
To exclude them from care
Can they not feel the warmth of the sun upon their faces 
And do they not love and guard their young just as we do 
And do they not fear violence, like human beings do
Can they not suffer 
Do they not want to live 
Are we so different – are we being fair 
To exclude them from care

BearDad wrote:You're all wrong! Milky Way is the best candy bar!

Wait, this isn't the Argument Thread!? My bad ... carry on.

lhversaw wrote:

Ted Kirkpatrick wrote:Thanks for the article Candlemass! Here's my post for NO SOUL... 

http://www.openbible.info/topics/animal_cruelty - 32 verses about animal cruelty

Track 6 – NO SOUL – featuring Dug Pinnick and Bruce Franklin
Hear the track: https://tourniquet.bandcamp.com/…/no-soul-featuring-dug-pin…
Buy the CD: http://www.tourniquet.net/audio.html

The music: No Soul is another song I wrote to best suit and compliment Dug Pinnick's amazing vocals. Dug really made the words come alive as only he can. No Soul needed vocals with soul, and Dug just has that talent and cool voice to do it. I really was blown away by the great harmonies he added too. Bruce Franklin's lead guitar goes great with the vibe. Bruce is a good friend and an awesome guitarist in his band Trouble. He came up to my studio to record and we always have a great time. I never get tired of hearing his signature tone and playing style! We even had a wildlife rescue that day as a small bird was sitting in the middle of the road, apparently slightly hit by a car. We brought to my house, where it soon revived and flew away! How metal is that – haha!


The lyrics: Do animals have a soul? If you mean – are they capable of sinning and therefore have a need to seek forgiveness? Do animals have a need to do something to insure they spend their eternity in heaven? Absolutely not. Animals are innocent. Although it may sometimes appear so – they do not covet in a sinful way, they are not vindictive in an evil way, they don’t do things merely for selfish gain – they don't lie, cheat, and steal for personal gain. They don't cut others down and build themselves up to make them feel better - all those behaviors and more are reserved solely for fallen man. However, animals often show much more of what a soul is than humans do. Pathetically, animals are often much better parents than many humans are – or get along better and show kindness to each other, for example.


I have no doubt that animals – ALL animals – will be in heaven: yes, the same, one-and-only heaven that humans go to. Not just your beloved family pet, but pig #3785 that was born, lived and died at a factory farm, never having been shown any affection or real care whatsoever - or the squashed armadillo along Highway 96 in east Texas that was no match for a car. As Edgar Allan Poe wrote in his short story Berenice, “Convinced myself, I seek not to convince.” I know God loves his creation, I know he sees all things, and I know he is just and loving. Think about it for a second – would God consider one animal important and another not worthy of afterlife? We now know pigs are extremely intelligent, like dogs. Because one looks different and was fortunate enough to interact and live with a family, only that animal gets to cross “the rainbow bridge” to heaven? I know I will see his entire creation of animals – restored in a way only God could dream of doing – and I'll be overjoyed to see them there.


So – as the lyrics say – can they not feel the warmth of the sun upon their faces? And do they not love and guard their young? And do they not fear violence? And... can they not suffer? I call these “soulish” behaviors. Feel free to merely call them “instinct” if it makes you feel better. (And no – I am not dismissing “instinct” in animals) Animals share so much of what we humans call “living”, although animals often have their “living” taken from them to suit humans. Many animals, like Canada geese, mate for life, elephants mourn the death of one of their own, gorillas have been seen to protect their young to the death. Animals do silly things – just for fun. And cows for example - often cry for days as their newborn calves are taken from them so we can drink the mother's milk instead of their babies.


The sad truth is that humans often feel a strong need to dismiss these things, as it makes it easier to use animals for whatever need we feel we have. And proudly declaring “they have no soul” is part of that. Here you go – rock out to this bluesy, doomy, soulful track... Ted


P.S. – I’m occasionally asked “Why write about animals when humans are going to hell unless we share the gospel with them?” I could write a lot about this – one aspect is that a very unique group of Hindu, Buddhist, Muslim, atheist, even Wiccan – are exposed to a Christian’s view of how God not only cares about people, but cares about animals too – just as they do. My other “no brainer” answer: I’ve written dozens of songs about the gospel, from day one of Tourniquet to today. It’s not hard to do BOTH. Kind of like saying “I can’t go to work today, I have to eat”…


NO SOUL
Hung up on semantics - what’s in a word 
Draw a hard line in the sand I have heard 
Take the word “soul” we all know what it means 
But maybe, just maybe it ain’t what it seems
Humans the master race that's what we are 
Animals and creatures, beneath us by far 
Souls, they don't have one, so I’ve been told 
Subservient to us cuz that is their role
So much we share with them, easy to see 
Like they all long, long to be free 
To seek out the things we all want to live by 
Their freedom we should 
never deny, never deny
Can they not suffer 
Do they not want to live 
Are they so different – are we being fair 
To exclude them from care
Can they not feel the warmth of the sun upon their faces 
And do they not love and guard their young just as we do 
And do they not fear violence, like human beings do
Can they not suffer 
Do they not want to live 
Are we so different – are we being fair 
To exclude them from care

I must ask have you ever actually watched animals?   They DO STEAL. 

BearDad wrote:You're all wrong! Milky Way is the best candy bar!

Wait, this isn't the Argument Thread!? My bad ... carry on.

Galations6.7 wrote:Way off topic now

deathisgain wrote:Talking about animal cruelty, I think you guys are just beating a dead horse now.

Kerrick wrote:  All logic would say, "Kerrick, it is now nigh time to lock this thread" and yet... it is far too entertaining.  Carry on all. 

lhversaw wrote:I agree that each Tourniquet album is a little different but you can see that they all have a similar sound and are very much Thrash, with the exception of Crawl to China which has it's moments and Carry The Wounded which is still at least very much a band effort.  Then I go and read the lyrics which are over the top PETA like in the making animals more important than mankind and that we should starve.......

deathisgain wrote:

BearDad wrote:You're all wrong! Milky Way is the best candy bar!

Wait, this isn't the Argument Thread!? My bad ... carry on.

LOL! Has to be a vegan candy bar.