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Envision is where I hopped off the Mort ride. NOah sat down and a coffee... no thanks Steve.TZ75 wrote:Lately I’ve been listening to Mort’s EnVision and Hammer of God albums. I like the thrash and groove metal direction they went on those. Especially EnVision! He still had the growls mixed in and Lincoln Bowen knew how to play some tasty solos. Steve’s bass was crushing too. I like the DD Verni/Overkill style attack!
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Dustofyears wrote:Envision is where I hoped off the Mort ride. NOah sat down and a coffee... no thanks Steve.TZ75 wrote:Lately I’ve been listening to Mort’s EnVision and Hammer of God albums. I like the thrash and groove metal direction they went on those. Especially EnVision! He still had the growls mixed in and Lincoln Bowen knew how to play some tasty solos. Steve’s bass was crushing too. I like the DD Verni/Overkill style attack!
That’s just one song, and it’s Steve’s quirky humor. The overall album is solid to great. I really like it! The title track is my favorite mini rock-opera or “epic track”.
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TQT's melodic Lead work on the Golden albums are amaze balls. Steve Had a great Bass tone and it was loud and clear from the get go!!! He's one of my fav Bassists too.TZ75 wrote:Gary Lenaire is my favorite Christian Metal guitarist, and Steve Rowe was my favorite bassist (I say was because he has retired and his illness robbed his former ability).
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I like Northern storm and some riffs and stuff here and there from that album. I saw them on that tour and met Steve. FUn times.TZ75 wrote:Dustofyears wrote:Envision is where I hoped off the Mort ride. NOah sat down and a coffee... no thanks Steve.TZ75 wrote:Lately I’ve been listening to Mort’s EnVision and Hammer of God albums. I like the thrash and groove metal direction they went on those. Especially EnVision! He still had the growls mixed in and Lincoln Bowen knew how to play some tasty solos. Steve’s bass was crushing too. I like the DD Verni/Overkill style attack!
That’s just one song, and it’s Steve’s quirky humor. The overall album is solid to great. I really like it! The title track is my favorite mini rock-opera or “epic track”.
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Dustofyears wrote:TQT's melodic Lead work on the Golden albums are amaze balls. Steve Had a great Bass tone and it was loud and clear from the get go!!! He's one of my fav Bassists too.TZ75 wrote:Gary Lenaire is my favorite Christian Metal guitarist, and Steve Rowe was my favorite bassist (I say was because he has retired and his illness robbed his former ability).
I like how he evolved his sound to that DD Verni (Overkill) style and tone.
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Dustofyears wrote:I like Northern storm and some riffs and stuff here and there from that album. I saw them on that tour and met Steve. FUn times.TZ75 wrote:Dustofyears wrote:Envision is where I hoped off the Mort ride. NOah sat down and a coffee... no thanks Steve.TZ75 wrote:Lately I’ve been listening to Mort’s EnVision and Hammer of God albums. I like the thrash and groove metal direction they went on those. Especially EnVision! He still had the growls mixed in and Lincoln Bowen knew how to play some tasty solos. Steve’s bass was crushing too. I like the DD Verni/Overkill style attack!
That’s just one song, and it’s Steve’s quirky humor. The overall album is solid to great. I really like it! The title track is my favorite mini rock-opera or “epic track”.
They also had finally found a proficient lead player with Lincoln Bowen. His melodic lead breaks were a plus.
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The tone and sound of Steve's Bass and playing is the one thing I like throughout their whole catalogue and morphe easily into just about any metal style. Underrated Bassist in my opinion.TZ75 wrote:Dustofyears wrote:I like Northern storm and some riffs and stuff here and there from that album. I saw them on that tour and met Steve. FUn times.TZ75 wrote:Dustofyears wrote:Envision is where I hoped off the Mort ride. NOah sat down and a coffee... no thanks Steve.TZ75 wrote:Lately I’ve been listening to Mort’s EnVision and Hammer of God albums. I like the thrash and groove metal direction they went on those. Especially EnVision! He still had the growls mixed in and Lincoln Bowen knew how to play some tasty solos. Steve’s bass was crushing too. I like the DD Verni/Overkill style attack!
That’s just one song, and it’s Steve’s quirky humor. The overall album is solid to great. I really like it! The title track is my favorite mini rock-opera or “epic track”.
They also had finally found a proficient lead player with Lincoln Bowen. His lead breaks were a plus.
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Dustofyears wrote:The tone and sound of Steve's Bass and playing is the one thing I like throughout their whole catalogue and morphe easily into just about any metal style. Underrated Bassist in my opinion.TZ75 wrote:Dustofyears wrote:I like Northern storm and some riffs and stuff here and there from that album. I saw them on that tour and met Steve. FUn times.TZ75 wrote:Dustofyears wrote:Envision is where I hoped off the Mort ride. NOah sat down and a coffee... no thanks Steve.TZ75 wrote:Lately I’ve been listening to Mort’s EnVision and Hammer of God albums. I like the thrash and groove metal direction they went on those. Especially EnVision! He still had the growls mixed in and Lincoln Bowen knew how to play some tasty solos. Steve’s bass was crushing too. I like the DD Verni/Overkill style attack!
That’s just one song, and it’s Steve’s quirky humor. The overall album is solid to great. I really like it! The title track is my favorite mini rock-opera or “epic track”.
They also had finally found a proficient lead player with Lincoln Bowen. His lead breaks were a plus.
I agree!
Even back on the Scrolls album… listen to the way Steve’s bass locks in on Death Requiem.
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I think Tourniquet would win that one too pretty easily. Both for making better music and for not abandoning their messageTZ75 wrote:I think Believer vs Tourniquet is a more fair comparison. Mort and TQT are very different in style.
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Lol that sounds like the title of a kids’ vbs song. Which makes me imagine a VBS program that used death metal as their musicTZ75 wrote:Lyrics aside, Noah Was a Knower was nice thrasher musically.
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I'd pick Believer. I like all their albums. TQT I really like POD a lot and most of PS and parts of STB. But you are probably right.seth wrote:Lol that sounds like the title of a kids’ vbs song. Which makes me imagine a VBS program that used death metal as their musicTZ75 wrote:Lyrics aside, Noah Was a Knower was nice thrasher musically.
And somehow I quoted the wrong message lolz
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This would be an easy Tqt victory for me, though I have not spent much time with Believer's first or third. Sanity Obscure is overrated though, imo.TZ75 wrote:I think Believer vs Tourniquet is a more fair comparison. Mort and TQT are very different in style.
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CrimsonWarrior wrote:This would be an easy Tqt victory for me, though I have not spent much time with Believer's first or third. Sanity Obscure is overrated though, imo.TZ75 wrote:I think Believer vs Tourniquet is a more fair comparison. Mort and TQT are very different in style.
It’s more stylistically speaking… both bands started out thrash with progressive tendencies, and a appreciation of classical music.
I remember back in the day Believer were very popular. They even gained respect in the secular circuit.
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I mainly know Sanity for Dies IraeCrimsonWarrior wrote:This would be an easy Tqt victory for me, though I have not spent much time with Believer's first or third. Sanity Obscure is overrated though, imo.TZ75 wrote:I think Believer vs Tourniquet is a more fair comparison. Mort and TQT are very different in style.
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Dustofyears wrote:Oh dear...
Did you lose your keys again?
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I love Tourniquet but this is crazy talk. Guitar wise they aren't at deth or Metallica levels at their peak. I'd say even an Skolnick of Testament is better guitar wise.seth wrote:Very few thrash bands can really compete with Tourniquet. Even the secular bands everybody loves (like Megadeth and early Metallica) aren’t on the same level imo. I can only think of two other progressive/hybrid/“quirky” thrash bands that are on a similar level of quality, Adorned Graves and Biogenesis. And even these are significantly different stylistically than Tourniquet. It seems in general the best bands are kind of in a stylistic class of their own
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Yea gone done left them round here sum place...MagnusPrime wrote:Dustofyears wrote:Oh dear...
Did you lose your keys again?
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Black Rider wrote:I love Tourniquet but this is crazy talk. Guitar wise they aren't at deth or Metallica levels at their peak. I'd say even an Skolnick of Testament is better guitar wise.seth wrote:Very few thrash bands can really compete with Tourniquet. Even the secular bands everybody loves (like Megadeth and early Metallica) aren’t on the same level imo. I can only think of two other progressive/hybrid/“quirky” thrash bands that are on a similar level of quality, Adorned Graves and Biogenesis. And even these are significantly different stylistically than Tourniquet. It seems in general the best bands are kind of in a stylistic class of their own
I agree!
It may ruffle some feathers… but I think some people could be ranking Tourniquet higher than the gold standard genre originals like Megadeth and 80’s era Metallica because Tourniquet was a Christian band. The lyrical content is the main difference. If Metallica or Megadeth or Testament were Christian bands, I don’t think Tourniquet would be ranked as high. Don’t get me wrong! I love classic Tourniquet, but I’m not gonna say they’re better because of the lyrics.
There’s no way any Tourniquet album tops Rust in Peace or Ride the Lightning and Master of Puppets. Deliverance came close and even got some praise on Headbanger’s Ball… but they were another band derived from Metallica’s blueprint.
I can’t think of any Christian metal guitarist that is better than Alex Skolnick or Marty Friedman. Most Christian metal bands are a copy of a secular band. Aside from the King Diamond comparison on STB, Tourniquet was the most original band. I still don’t think anything they did was better than Rust in Peace or Ride the Lightning.
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