Is Stop the Bleeding a thrash album?

It usually seems to be labeled as such, but to me it almost sounds more like traditional/speed metal or something like that than thrash. Haven’t ever really heard anything truly like it anywhere else, so I’m not really sure how to categorize it, if it even can be categorized

seth wrote:It usually seems to be labeled as such, but to me it almost sounds more like traditional/speed metal or something like that than thrash. Haven’t ever really heard anything truly like it anywhere else, so I’m not really sure how to categorize it, if it even can be categorized

The genre it belongs to is called "Tourniquet metal". This draws influence from thrash, speed, trad, neoclassical, death, doom, soft rock, grunge, groove, country, cheerleaders, cats, symphonic, funk, 6th graders, creaky doors, hair, footstep noises, etc.

TQT, in particular the first 3 albums for this big kid, are in a class of their own. I agree with Steven when he says it's "Tourniquet metal" an apt description (to me meaning it's not here nor there, but there's plenty of this and that). That album has NWBHM/thrash/speed/doom/tourniquet in it.

There really is no other band that sounds like Tourniquet and if they do, you know where they got their sound from.

Yeah STB is fairly unique. Even among Tourniquet albums.

The closest I've heard to that "Stop The Bleeding" sound are Annihilator's first 2 albums.

They even have the eccentric/quirky thing going on, albeit to a lesser degree.

Riot's albums with Tony Moore's crazy falsetto vocals - Thundertseel (1988), The Privilege Of Power (1990) and Immortal Soul (2011) - are also in a similar vein. To me at least.

Yes

I think it lays somewhere between power metal and thrash. Sort of like the s/t Metal Church album. There is definitely a Slayer influence (Ark of Suffering) and flashy Annihilator type stuff.

The riffs are thrash, but the sound overall is pretty unique. Thrash Tourniquet-style.

Pethead wrote:The riffs are thrash, but the sound overall is pretty unique. Thrash Tourniquet-style.

Like most of the early thrash bands, it's thrash with it's own stamp.  Megadeth didn't sound like Testament who didn't sound like Exodus etc.

Black Rider wrote:

Pethead wrote:The riffs are thrash, but the sound overall is pretty unique. Thrash Tourniquet-style.

Like most of the early thrash bands, it's thrash with it's own stamp.  Megadeth didn't sound like Testament who didn't sound like Exodus etc.

Except that Tourniquet weren't Early. In fact, they were quite late. Most thrash bands (or any genre) that come after the innovators usually sound like a mixture of the motherships or imitate for the most part. Tourniquet have influences but even after all was said and done by Slayer, Metallica, Exodus, Anthrax, Sacrifice, etc years before, TQT come out in 1990 with their own original sound.

(Anything goes) thrash.

Left-field metal.

I would say STB is primarily a speed metal album. Maybe a progressive speed metal or something. They do have a page on ProgArchives.com, who are notoriously snooty about what bands qualify as progressive.
https://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=12138

Between 1987 and 1990, there was a specific sound that had developed in speed metal that bands like Judas Priest, Riot, Manilla Road, Toxik, Realm, Mekong Delta and others were experimenting with. They all had crazy high-pitched vocals over technical, yet melodic metal. I think STB was Tourniquet's unique take on that movement before they moved on to a more thrash-oriented style.

Yes.  Thrash is a versatile genre.

MagnusPrime wrote:I would say STB is primarily a speed metal album. Maybe a progressive speed metal or something. They do have a page on ProgArchives.com, who are notoriously snooty about what bands qualify as progressive.
https://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=12138

Between 1987 and 1990, there was a specific sound that had developed in speed metal that bands like Judas Priest, Riot, Manilla Road, Toxik, Realm, Mekong Delta and others were experimenting with. They all had crazy high-pitched vocals over technical, yet melodic metal. I think STB was Tourniquet's unique take on that movement before they moved on to a more thrash-oriented style.

Judas Priest Pain killer describes what you mention here.

Dustofyears wrote:

MagnusPrime wrote:I would say STB is primarily a speed metal album. Maybe a progressive speed metal or something. They do have a page on ProgArchives.com, who are notoriously snooty about what bands qualify as progressive.
https://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=12138

Between 1987 and 1990, there was a specific sound that had developed in speed metal that bands like Judas Priest, Riot, Manilla Road, Toxik, Realm, Mekong Delta and others were experimenting with. They all had crazy high-pitched vocals over technical, yet melodic metal. I think STB was Tourniquet's unique take on that movement before they moved on to a more thrash-oriented style.

Judas Priest Pain killer describes what you mention here.

Painkiller is probably the closest non-TQT song I’ve heard to the music on StB

seth wrote:

Dustofyears wrote:

MagnusPrime wrote:I would say STB is primarily a speed metal album. Maybe a progressive speed metal or something. They do have a page on ProgArchives.com, who are notoriously snooty about what bands qualify as progressive.
https://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=12138

Between 1987 and 1990, there was a specific sound that had developed in speed metal that bands like Judas Priest, Riot, Manilla Road, Toxik, Realm, Mekong Delta and others were experimenting with. They all had crazy high-pitched vocals over technical, yet melodic metal. I think STB was Tourniquet's unique take on that movement before they moved on to a more thrash-oriented style.

Judas Priest Pain killer describes what you mention here.

Painkiller is probably the closest non-TQT song I’ve heard to the music on StB

Nah.  King Diamond is closer to StB.

Yeah I’ve heard that comparison a lot, I said the closest “that I’ve heard” though. King Diamond’s occult/satanic themes are enough to keep me from listening to his music

Temple of Blood wrote:

seth wrote:

Dustofyears wrote:

MagnusPrime wrote:I would say STB is primarily a speed metal album. Maybe a progressive speed metal or something. They do have a page on ProgArchives.com, who are notoriously snooty about what bands qualify as progressive.
https://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=12138

Between 1987 and 1990, there was a specific sound that had developed in speed metal that bands like Judas Priest, Riot, Manilla Road, Toxik, Realm, Mekong Delta and others were experimenting with. They all had crazy high-pitched vocals over technical, yet melodic metal. I think STB was Tourniquet's unique take on that movement before they moved on to a more thrash-oriented style.

Judas Priest Pain killer describes what you mention here.

Painkiller is probably the closest non-TQT song I’ve heard to the music on StB

Nah.  King Diamond is closer to StB.

I hear it in the vocals, especially the chorus, that mixed with King diamond. But anyway What MagnusPrime was describing sums up Pain killer pretty well, which, for whatever it's worth, came out the same year as STP.

The main similarity with KD is in the vocals. 

Painkliller is closer, but StB has thrashier riffs overall.

seth wrote:Yeah I’ve heard that comparison a lot, I said the closest “that I’ve heard” though. King Diamond’s occult/satanic themes are enough to keep me from listening to his music

I wanted to get into King diamond but just can't get past the vocals. Same with the first TQT album.

I have heard a few songs from a band called Dark Night, which has been described as a King Diamond ripoff/copycat band. Other than high pitched vocals, it sounded nothing like StB

seth wrote:I have heard a few songs from a band called Dark Night, which has been described as a King Diamond ripoff/copycat band. Other than high pitched vocals, it sounded nothing like StB

Don't be silly. Guys vocals sound Pain killer priest meets King diamond to say it doesn't is just straight up denial. Especially King's style.

Dustofyears wrote:

seth wrote:I have heard a few songs from a band called Dark Night, which has been described as a King Diamond ripoff/copycat band. Other than high pitched vocals, it sounded nothing like StB

Don't be silly. Guys vocals sound Pain killer priest meets King diamond to say it doesn't is just straight up denial.

I said other than the vocals, the musical style was much different

Sorry, Guy doesn't sound like Rob on Painkiller.  KD sings with falsetto, like Guy.  Rob sings with head voice, using diaphragm support.

I like both styles just fine but it is a different thing.

seth wrote:

Dustofyears wrote:

seth wrote:I have heard a few songs from a band called Dark Night, which has been described as a King Diamond ripoff/copycat band. Other than high pitched vocals, it sounded nothing like StB

Don't be silly. Guys vocals sound Pain killer priest meets King diamond to say it doesn't is just straight up denial.

I said other than the vocals, the musical style was much different

Man I really gotta stop skim reading. I apologize.

Temple of Blood wrote:Sorry, Guy doesn't sound like Rob on Painkiller.  KD sings with falsetto, like Guy.  Rob sings with head voice, using diaphragm support.

I like big styles just fine but it is a different thing.

Guess different ears hear different things. I hear that painkiller sound when guy is inbetween head and chest mode and sounding like gonzo. That's Rob Painkiller all the way. Fro example If you listen to say, ready or not, that's not too far from pain killer musically and vocally, but perhaps not as strong as Robs attack. That mixed with King diamond. TO me anyway