NIT PICKING ARTISTS

by HOTDOGS AND MUSTARD Tue Apr 28, 2015 11:10 am

I have noticed after reading through many posts on this site that so many people are so hyper critical of bands whether it be not liking the vocals, don't like guitar or drum sound, the production is not quite good enough or the artwork the wrong colour etc etc. Just because we don't like a particular style should we really publicly cut to pieces musicians who have tried to produce something close to their heart. As Christians should we be scrutinising artists material all the time and clobbering them in public with destructive critisism. Surely as Christians we should be more encouraging? I think sometimes we just don't get it?!!!

by Guest Tue Apr 28, 2015 11:26 am

Judging the judgers eh?

by Guest Tue Apr 28, 2015 11:28 am

My point is that judging is necessary in life and you just proved that.

What we need to focus on is righteous judging and not judging based on selfishness.

Now, as customers of a product, many of us have spent countless hundreds and thousands of dollars on this industry in the last 30-40 years. Certainly we have a say in the final product?

by d@v!d Tue Apr 28, 2015 11:55 am

HOTDOGS AND MUSTARD wrote:I have noticed after reading through many posts on this site that so many people are so hyper critical of bands whether it be not liking the vocals, don't like guitar or drum sound, the production is not quite good enough or the artwork the wrong colour etc etc. Just because we don't like a particular style should we really publicly cut to pieces musicians who have tried to produce something close to their heart. As Christians should we be scrutinising artists material all the time and clobbering them in public with destructive critisism. Surely as Christians we should be more encouraging? I think sometimes we just don't get it?!!!

YES! Let's bless mediocrity! Preach it brotha!

by d@v!d Tue Apr 28, 2015 11:56 am

Speaking of mediocrity, I must confess that I like 80's and early 90's demos.

by Guest Tue Apr 28, 2015 12:16 pm

HOTDOGS AND MUSTARD wrote:I have noticed after reading through many posts on this site that so many people are so hyper critical of bands whether it be not liking the vocals, don't like guitar or drum sound, the production is not quite good enough or the artwork the wrong colour etc etc. Just because we don't like a particular style should we really publicly cut to pieces musicians who have tried to produce something close to their heart. As Christians should we be scrutinising artists material all the time and clobbering them in public with destructive critisism. Surely as Christians we should be more encouraging? I think sometimes we just don't get it?!!!

I think talking about things like whether you like their musical style or their vocals is perfectly normal.....and ok to do. You should be allowed to say you don't like a certain style, or artist, or album. And you should be allowed to talk about their overall ability and an album's production, too .... positive or negative (should never be hostile or outright rude about it though).

What I don't like is when musicians get criticized or over scrutinized for their personal beliefs or things they say.

I think the internet backlash (Facebook, forums, etc etc) when Michael Sweet said Stryper is not a Christian band was ridiculous. I think people getting on Ted Kirkpatrick about his animal activist beliefs is ridiculous.

It's just music.

by Follower of Jesus Tue Apr 28, 2015 12:18 pm

Adam - when we are as "into" our music as we all are, we obsess over the small things. We all have opinions and we discuss them. We talk about all aspects of the music, and yes, negative opinions are expressed. We're not cutting musicians to pieces. Almost every band that gets discussed on here has fans and detractors. I've not really seen here in a long time a thread about a band that everyone really hated. When artists put their work out there, they are taking the chance that it will not be liked. Us expressing that we don't like something is not wrong. If we were tearing into the artists as people, then you'd have a point. But I think you're off base with your criticism.

by Grindboy Tue Apr 28, 2015 12:28 pm

We should be kind. That's legit. Especially if there's an artist here that's being spoken to directly, which occasionally happens

We should also be able to have and discuss honest opinions. I believe that's the purpose of the board.

by Friday13th Tue Apr 28, 2015 12:29 pm

This is the place to critique, honestly. There is some unneeded negativity no doubt. Praise is kind of meaningless if you give it all away without merit. I try give a little of both praise and criticism where appropriate, and for bands I can't stand I try not to even bring them up. I agree about the dramas over what artists have said. That gets out of hand sometimes.

by HOTDOGS AND MUSTARD Tue Apr 28, 2015 12:33 pm

Adam wrote: Judging the judgers eh?

I'm just standing up fo artists. Monkey Biz

by eatbugs Tue Apr 28, 2015 12:35 pm

I try not to nitpick and when I do I try to do it constructively, remembering that a band could see the thread. I also nitpick more when I like a band and they have set a standard. Imagine if the next Stryper or Theocracy album is a dud. Lots of fans on this forum would be disappointed - we're fans and like them and want good music from them that we know they can produce. I want honest reviews of an artists work. If it has flaws I want to know what they are so I can decide if it will bother me enough to not listen to and waste my money on. This can be done constructively though.

Also, there's a certain practice very common among bands/labels that annoys me and I've debated starting a thread on it. I haven't partly because of this very reason; but it's my right to and I don't think I would be wrong to do it.

I totally agree that if someone just doesn't like a band or a style they should just ignore it. Example: It's your right to not like metalcore, death metal, etc. but there's no need to go on a thread and complain about it.

by HOTDOGS AND MUSTARD Tue Apr 28, 2015 12:42 pm

Follower of Jesus wrote:Adam - when we are as "into" our music as we all are, we obsess over the small things. We all have opinions and we discuss them. We talk about all aspects of the music, and yes, negative opinions are expressed. We're not cutting musicians to pieces. Almost every band that gets discussed on here has fans and detractors. I've not really seen here in a long time a thread about a band that everyone really hated. When artists put their work out there, they are taking the chance that it will not be liked. Us expressing that we don't like something is not wrong. If we were tearing into the artists as people, then you'd have a point. But I think you're off base with your criticism.

I've read artists being ridiculed for their thoughts and beliefs. The problem is nowadays the Internet is so open to all sorts of people giving their views and opinions. Is it no wonder not many artists are on this site much anymore as it is probably demoralising for them getting such a mixed reaction and it's the negative comments that get taken to heart.

by HOTDOGS AND MUSTARD Tue Apr 28, 2015 12:44 pm

d@v!d wrote:
HOTDOGS AND MUSTARD wrote:I have noticed after reading through many posts on this site that so many people are so hyper critical of bands whether it be not liking the vocals, don't like guitar or drum sound, the production is not quite good enough or the artwork the wrong colour etc etc. Just because we don't like a particular style should we really publicly cut to pieces musicians who have tried to produce something close to their heart. As Christians should we be scrutinising artists material all the time and clobbering them in public with destructive critisism. Surely as Christians we should be more encouraging? I think sometimes we just don't get it?!!!
YES! Let's bless mediocrity! Preach it brotha!

by HOTDOGS AND MUSTARD Tue Apr 28, 2015 12:53 pm

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eatbugs wrote:I try not to nitpick and when I do I try to do it constructively, remembering that a band could see the thread. I also nitpick more when I like a band and they have set a standard. Imagine if the next Stryper or Theocracy album is a dud. Lots of fans on this forum would be disappointed - we're fans and like them and want good music from them that we know they can produce. I want honest reviews of an artists work. If it has flaws I want to know what they are so I can decide if it will bother me enough to not listen to and waste my money on. This can be done constructively though.

Also, there's a certain practice very common among bands/labels that annoys me and I've debated starting a thread on it. I haven't partly because of this very reason; but it's my right to and I don't think I would be wrong to do it.

I totally agree that if someone just doesn't like a band or a style they should just ignore it. Example: It's your right to not like metalcore, death metal, etc. but there's no need to go on a thread and complain about it.

I thinks it's really great that bands like STRYPER and THEOCRACY, two of the most popular Christian Metal bands nowadays manage to produce albums with great production on a small budget. Imagine what they could do on a bigger budget?

by Candlemass Tue Apr 28, 2015 2:04 pm

Stryper has a small budget? Shocked

by HOTDOGS AND MUSTARD Tue Apr 28, 2015 2:19 pm

Candlemass wrote:Stryper has a small budget?

Compared to bigger metal acts, definitely!

by Friday13th Tue Apr 28, 2015 2:28 pm

HOTDOGS AND MUSTARD wrote:
Candlemass wrote:Stryper has a small budget?

Compared to bigger metal acts, definitely!

They're no Metallica...a perfect example of a large budget and large number of squandered opportunities. face palm

by Guest Tue Apr 28, 2015 3:36 pm

HOTDOGS AND MUSTARD wrote:
Candlemass wrote:Stryper has a small budget?

Compared to bigger metal acts, definitely!

Agreed.

by Blake Tue Apr 28, 2015 3:39 pm

I wouldnt say its just this forum. I'd say its everywhere on the internet

by Guest Tue Apr 28, 2015 4:26 pm

Friday13th wrote:
HOTDOGS AND MUSTARD wrote:
Candlemass wrote:Stryper has a small budget?

Compared to bigger metal acts, definitely!

They're no Metallica...a perfect example of a large budget and large number of squandered opportunities.

Many bands, when putting an album together, are racing against the clock to please their fans.

The fans start getting restless and start acting like barbarians.

I think many bands cave in to this pressure, and that's why they rush and put out stuff that is not really up to par.

I imagine all that pressure would be a "damned if you do, and damned if you don't" type situation.

by Temple of Blood Tue Apr 28, 2015 4:44 pm

Seems the only things that ever get criticized are vocals and production.

by Machine Fish Tue Apr 28, 2015 6:33 pm

I like extremely raw production. Take the Greetings of Death demos by Deliverance for example, I love those. I'm pretty lax on judging music I think, my policy is "If I like it, I like it" the only thing I nit-pick on is how much anti-christianity or sexual references there are in the music.

by Guest Tue Apr 28, 2015 8:05 pm

Temple of Blood,

Artists have gotten criticized here for a lot more than just vocals or production ....

Just off the top of my head, Dale Thompson, Michael Sweet and Ted Kirkpatrick have been criticized here for what they say, how they act, what they believe, what they name their project, etc etc

by Hardcore Christian Tue Apr 28, 2015 8:19 pm

Saying I shouldnt judge a band is like saying I shouldnt be choosy about what movies i like or hate

I hate slashers and chick flicks

i love westerns and sci fi

by Temple of Blood Tue Apr 28, 2015 8:40 pm

NoOneIsHere wrote:Temple of Blood,

Artists have gotten criticized here for a lot more than just vocals or production ....

Just off the top of my head, Dale Thompson, Michael Sweet and Ted Kirkpatrick have been criticized here for what they say, how they act, what they believe, what they name their project, etc etc

haha, right.

But never for lousy solos, off-time rhythms, boring riffs, generic drum fills, and so many other things that go into making music.

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