Jayson Sherlock

by MagnusPrime Sun Jan 01, 2023 9:43 pm

I've always thought Sherlock's drumming took an amazing leap forward between Mortification's self-titled and Scrolls Of The Megilloth. Especially when you consider it was only a year or so between the two albums. Anybody have any inside info on that or links to any interviews he may have done discussing his skills in that time period?

by Constantine Sun Jan 01, 2023 10:11 pm

I don't know about his interviews about that time period, but I really liked his drumming with Revulsed.

by Dustofyears Sun Jan 01, 2023 10:42 pm

I know he has short clips on YouTube now. But within that time period, not that I am aware of. Great drummer from the get go though, even if the double kick work on the debut sounds like basket balls. Anything he drums in is usually Gold. Though Revulsed I can't get into, but that's not because of Jayson's drumming.

by Pethead Sun Jan 01, 2023 10:48 pm

Jayson is amazing. His drumming on the first 3 helps make them so great.

by stevegarveyfan Mon Jan 02, 2023 5:36 pm

If memory serves, I think I read that the first album was recorded in 3 days and that Scrolls took 2 weeks. That might explain some of it at least.

by TZ75 Mon Jan 02, 2023 7:28 pm

When I first got into Christian metal in 1991, I couldn’t believe how intense and brutal Scrolls was! His drumming was so unexpectedly awesome. As far as I’m concerned, Jayson was right up there with the best extreme metal players of his time!

by Sevenoneself Tue Jan 03, 2023 3:45 pm

stevegarveyfan wrote:If memory serves, I think I read that the first album was recorded in 3 days and that Scrolls took 2 weeks. That might explain some of it at least.That would make a difference!

by MagnusPrime Tue Jan 03, 2023 4:03 pm

Not talking about booked studio time LOL. You don't get that much better simply because you have an extra 11 days to record an album.

I'm talking about the huge jump in skill level from one album to the next. Hard to believe it's even the same drummer.

For 1992, he was pretty much a state-of-the-art drummer. I would play the Scrolls album for friends who listened to nothing but extreme metal and they all said pretty much the same. "That's the same guy from the first album??"

I remember being floored when I heard that album. Steve and Michael upped their game as well, but Jayson shot into orbit LOL!

by Temple of Blood Tue Jan 03, 2023 4:06 pm

I think he was excellent on the debut. He added some sloppy blast beats on Scrolls (which a lot of death metal drummers were doing at the time) but overall played really well. I don't think there was such a huge skill increase there although some increase is to be expected from album to album.

by TZ75 Tue Jan 03, 2023 7:09 pm

Temple of Blood wrote:I think he was excellent on the debut. He added some sloppy blast beats on Scrolls (which a lot of death metal drummers were doing at the time) but overall played really well. I don't think there was such a huge skill increase there although some increase is to be expected from album to album.

Sloppy?

Not at all…

by Dustofyears Tue Jan 03, 2023 9:56 pm

Sloppy... I agree TZ75, there's nothing sloppy at all on scrolls. And I think the drumming on the Debut was great too. Had a kind of dark groove going on.

by TZ75 Wed Jan 04, 2023 3:24 am

Dustofyears wrote:Sloppy... I agree TZ75, there's nothing sloppy at all on scrolls. And I think the drumming on the Debut was great too. Had a kind of dark groove going on.

I have no complaints with his thrashy drums on the debut. I think the only issue is the lack of production. But for a glorified demo recording, it sounds very good!

by MagnusPrime Wed Jan 04, 2023 3:50 am

TZ75 wrote:
Dustofyears wrote:Sloppy... I agree TZ75, there's nothing sloppy at all on scrolls. And I think the drumming on the Debut was great too. Had a kind of dark groove going on.

I have no complaints with his thrashy drums on the debut. I think the only issue is the lack of production. But for a glorified demo recording, it sounds very good!

Are you counting Break The Curse as the debut or the self-titled?

by Dustofyears Wed Jan 04, 2023 4:46 am

MagnusPrime wrote:
TZ75 wrote:
Dustofyears wrote:Sloppy... I agree TZ75, there's nothing sloppy at all on scrolls. And I think the drumming on the Debut was great too. Had a kind of dark groove going on.

I have no complaints with his thrashy drums on the debut. I think the only issue is the lack of production. But for a glorified demo recording, it sounds very good!

Are you counting Break The Curse as the debut or the self-titled?

Not sure if you mean me or T but here's what I was meaning in the pic.

by TZ75 Wed Jan 04, 2023 7:08 am

MagnusPrime wrote:
TZ75 wrote:
Dustofyears wrote:Sloppy... I agree TZ75, there's nothing sloppy at all on scrolls. And I think the drumming on the Debut was great too. Had a kind of dark groove going on.

I have no complaints with his thrashy drums on the debut. I think the only issue is the lack of production. But for a glorified demo recording, it sounds very good!

Are you counting Break The Curse as the debut or the self-titled?

I’m counting the self-titled. Break the Curse was originally just a demo.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Break_the_Curse

by Lex Metalis Wed Jan 04, 2023 8:42 am

To me, his evolution from BtC to the self titled album is even more impressive!

by Temple of Blood Wed Jan 04, 2023 10:01 am

Lex Metalis wrote:To me, his evolution from BtC to the self titled album is even more impressive!

YES! Exactly.

by MagnusPrime Wed Jan 04, 2023 1:40 pm

TZ75I have no complaints with his thrashy drums on the debut. I think the only issue is the lack of production. But for a glorified demo recording, it sounds very good! wrote:

Are you counting Break The Curse as the debut or the self-titled?

I’m counting the self-titled. Break the Curse was originally just a demo.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Break_the_Curse

Yes I know Break The Curse was originally a demo, but you called the debut a "glorified demo recording". That made me wonder which release you were referring to, as the self-titled doesn't really sound like a demo to me.

by MagnusPrime Wed Jan 04, 2023 1:53 pm

Lex Metalis wrote:To me, his evolution from BtC to the self titled album is even more impressive!

That's a good point.

I guess Jayson's performance on SOTM stands out to me more, since the music on BTC and the Self-Titled didn't call for all the blastbeats and crazy fast double bass patterns. Like I said, they all stepped up their game a bit on Scrolls.

by Second Wind Wed Jan 04, 2023 8:16 pm

- My guess is that he evolved as a musician through these 3 albums (BtC to Scrolls). Remember that they were really young at that time and not a 100% mature as musicians. So, a year in that age is much more than a year at his current age, the brain can assimilate much more from learning at young age.

- I also think that it is kind of unfair comparing break the Curse to the other albums. the band was clearly finding its way of making music. I wouldn't say Break the Curse is a Death Metal record. It was more of a heavy metal with growling vocals.

- His drumming was already that good in s/t, I think he evolved? Yes, but not that much as some say it doesn't seem like the same guy.

- Having more time to record in the studio makes a total difference in the final result, mostly when you go from 3 days to to 14 days...

- And, final comment, he certainly have listened to a lot of death metal what helped him develop his skills.

by Dustofyears Wed Jan 04, 2023 8:24 pm

Second Wind wrote:- My guess is that he evolved as a musician through these 3 albums (BtC to Scrolls). Remember that they were really young at that time and not a 100% mature as musicians. So, a year in that age is much more than a year at his current age, the brain can assimilate much more from learning at young age.

- I also think that it is kind of unfair comparing break the Curse to the other albums. the band was clearly finding its way of making music. I wouldn't say Break the Curse is a Death Metal record. It was more of a heavy metal with growling vocals.

- His drumming was already that good in s/t, I think he evolved? Yes, but not that much as some say it doesn't seem like the same guy.

- Having more time to record in the studio makes a total difference in the final result, mostly when you go from 3 days to to 14 days...

- And, final comment, he certainly have listened to a lot of death metal what helped him develop his skills.

Fair and good points.

by TZ75 Wed Jan 04, 2023 8:27 pm

It was no big jump musically from BtC to the s/t album. Maybe in a way… it was a demo influenced by aggressive German thrash versus a beefed up death/thrash album in the realm of Sepultura’s Schizophrenia era. The main difference was Steve’s vocals going deeper! I think Sherlock did improved on all three of the albums consecutively. He was in his most “hungry” formative years.

The blast beats and double bass most definitely progressed beyond the standard thrash style on the previous recordings. It’s sonically a very big jump to my ears!

by MagnusPrime Wed Jan 04, 2023 8:37 pm

Second Wind wrote:- I also think that it is kind of unfair comparing break the Curse to the other albums. the band was clearly finding its way of making music. I wouldn't say Break the Curse is a Death Metal record. It was more of a heavy metal with growling vocals.

- Having more time to record in the studio makes a total difference in the final result, mostly when you go from 3 days to to 14 days...

BTC was not just "heavy metal". Listen to early Kreator and Sodom. Those bands were thrash/proto-death in the mid 80s, which was the sound that influenced the music on both BTC and the the self-titled.

Also having more time to record still doesn't account for a change in style and approach. It just means you're not quite as rushed in producing a product.

by TZ75 Wed Jan 04, 2023 8:52 pm

MagnusPrime wrote:
Second Wind wrote:- I also think that it is kind of unfair comparing break the Curse to the other albums. the band was clearly finding its way of making music. I wouldn't say Break the Curse is a Death Metal record. It was more of a heavy metal with growling vocals.

- Having more time to record in the studio makes a total difference in the final result, mostly when you go from 3 days to to 14 days...

BTC was not just "heavy metal". Listen to early Kreator and Sodom. Those bands were thrash/proto-death in the mid 80s, which was the sound that influenced the music on both BTC and the the self-titled.

Also having more time to record still doesn't account for a change in style and approach. It just means you're not quite as rushed in producing a product.

Steve Rowe has said that he was initially influenced by the German thrash like Sodom, Kreator and Destruction. He quickly started to add some death and grind after that. Mortification has always changed musical directions. But that moment in time was amazing! They really showed the world that Christian heavy music can match the secular. Living Sacrifice was another great band, but the Scrolls lineup of Mortification really made waves and made people take notice.

Sherlock’s drums were a huge highlight! No other Christian drummer at the time matched his talent or intensity. Only Ted Kirkpatrick, (but more in a Neil Peart sort of way).

by Second Wind Wed Jan 04, 2023 9:00 pm

Though different styles, I think I prefer Ted K. (Rip) By a nose

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