Sacrament albums reissued again

crucifyd wrote:

TZ75 wrote:On their bandcamp site it says they are normal CDs. Are they not required to say if they are CD-r? I wouldn’t knowingly pay $12 for a burned CD…

I guess I’ll soon find out.

My experience, anywhere, including bandcamp, is that they
don't necessarily differentiate...I have asked many a time to find
that, even though descriptions say "CD", they reply that it
is in fact a CDr...

I was disappointed to find that the Wisdom & Wages disc is
a CDr. Had no idea until I opened it... It was $12 which is
steep for CDr, especially when you don't know that's what it is.
Though I suppose the limited edition of 100 could account for
the price...

The recent Presumed Dead demo reissue is a real CD. If anything, I would’ve expected something like that on a CD-r…

OK, good to know, glad to be wrong on that...

TZ75 wrote:

crucifyd wrote:

TZ75 wrote:On their bandcamp site it says they are normal CDs. Are they not required to say if they are CD-r? I wouldn’t knowingly pay $12 for a burned CD…

I guess I’ll soon find out.

My experience, anywhere, including bandcamp, is that they
don't necessarily differentiate...I have asked many a time to find
that, even though descriptions say "CD", they reply that it
is in fact a CDr...

I was disappointed to find that the Wisdom & Wages disc is
a CDr. Had no idea until I opened it... It was $12 which is
steep for CDr, especially when you don't know that's what it is.
Though I suppose the limited edition of 100 could account for
the price...

The recent Presumed Dead demo reissue is a real CD. If anything, I would’ve expected something like that on a CD-r…

I don't have mine with me but I was almost certain it's a CD-R. It was printed by Kunaki which is service for self-publishers that in my experience only does CD-Rs. It's the business that Annhilated Pentagram Productions uses for their releases (of which I have a few - all CD-R). It's the equivalent of using CreateSpace publishing to self-publish a book and sell it on Amazon.

EDIT: Kunaki also only seems to allow those 1 piece (2-sided) inserts like the one they tried to cram all the demo lyrics on. If that's what was used for the two albums then don't expect a booklet.

Good interview explaining the behind the scenes details of the reunion.

Son of Nun wrote:

TZ75 wrote:

crucifyd wrote:

TZ75 wrote:On their bandcamp site it says they are normal CDs. Are they not required to say if they are CD-r? I wouldn’t knowingly pay $12 for a burned CD…

I guess I’ll soon find out.

My experience, anywhere, including bandcamp, is that they
don't necessarily differentiate...I have asked many a time to find
that, even though descriptions say "CD", they reply that it
is in fact a CDr...

I was disappointed to find that the Wisdom & Wages disc is
a CDr. Had no idea until I opened it... It was $12 which is
steep for CDr, especially when you don't know that's what it is.
Though I suppose the limited edition of 100 could account for
the price...

The recent Presumed Dead demo reissue is a real CD. If anything, I would’ve expected something like that on a CD-r…

I don't have mine with me but I was almost certain it's a CD-R. It was printed by Kunaki which is service for self-publishers that in my experience only does CD-Rs. It's the business that Annhilated Pentagram Productions uses for their releases (of which I have a few - all CD-R). It's the equivalent of using CreateSpace publishing to self-publish a book and sell it on Amazon.

EDIT: Kunaki also only seems to allow those 1 piece (2-sided) inserts like the one they tried to cram all the demo lyrics on. If that's what was used for the two albums then don't expect a booklet.

I’ll give it another look… I’m not a expert on cheap inserts being an indicator of a CD-R. But I’ll take your word on it. 

If that is the case for the demo, I don’t mind as much (because it was only $5). But I won’t be pleased if the full length albums are CD-R. I don’t think I would have bought them for more than $8. I think I paid $10… but now they are going for $12! 

I just hope that whatever money they get from these CD-R’s goes into more recordings. That being said… I wish bands or online sellers would be honest about the exact format of the product. CD-R’s tend to not last as long as normal CD’s.

although most often CDr have a greenish hue, the only sure-fire way I've found to determine which you have is to run it through some software, such as Nero Discspeed or the like, which will tell you what it is...

If its that hard to tell maybe it doesnt matter

Temple of Blood wrote:If its that hard to tell maybe it doesnt matter

LOL

Temple of Blood wrote:If its that hard to tell maybe it doesnt matter

the main reason I'm particular is that I rip all my CDs.
CDr tend not to rip accurately. That is probably just my OCD
because the rips still play fine...

they also purportedly don't last as long as silver CD...

crucifyd wrote:

Temple of Blood wrote:If its that hard to tell maybe it doesnt matter

the main reason I'm particular is that I rip all my CDs.
CDr tend not to rip accurately. That is probably just my OCD
because the rips still play fine...

they also purportedly don't last as long as silver CD...

I agree. I think they don’t last as long as the silver CDs.

I stand corrected!

I contacted the owner of the label putting out the reissues. Turns out they are CD-R discs. But he assured me they should play fine in most cases (except some older car CD players may have a problem reading them). 

Hopefully there won’t be any problems and I can just enjoy the remastered sound.

The new band authorized cover art is cool but whenever I hear “Haunts” I think of that red cover. Not a big deal, just gotta get used to it. I ordered both cds to support the band. The downloads that came with the purchase sound better than the older cd versions.

I finally received both remastered albums. I’m glad that the money goes to the band and I’m happy to support them… but I’ve come to the conclusion that no remaster is going to help the Haunts album. It needs a remix. I can’t tell a noticeable improvement over the retroactive/legacy one that came out before. I just think it wasn’t the best of recordings in the first place (aside from the nice crunchy guitar tone). 

That said… I think the Testimony of Apocalypse remaster does sound great! But that one has a more traditional sounding thrash production.

Jeremy did a very interesting review of the new reissue/remasters.

TZ75 wrote:I finally received both remastered albums. I’m glad that the money goes to the band and I’m happy to support them… but I’ve come to the conclusion that no remaster is going to help the Haunts album. It needs a remix. I can’t tell a noticeable improvement over the retroactive/legacy one that came out before. I just think it wasn’t the best of recordings in the first place (aside from the nice crunchy guitar tone). 

That said… I think the Testimony of Apocalypse remaster does sound great! But that one has a more traditional sounding thrash production.

I agree with you on Haunts, but it’s still one of my favorites and I prefer it over Testimony (which is also good!)

average joe wrote:Good interview explaining the behind the scenes details of the reunion.

Interesting interview, I'm listening to it now (it's long).   
It was helpful to find out why they changed the name and went in a different direction.

Does anyone know if the ToA available on iTunes is the newly remastered version that would give money to the band?

I don't think so just the band camp ones from what I understand.

Drat.

Could someone tell me which guy is Robert Wolfe from the band photo on the back of the Charon Collective release of Haunts of Violence?

The original REX version never identified who’s who.

I’m assuming it’s the dark haired guy standing to the left of Erik Ney (or above the Charon Collective skull logo).

TZ75 wrote:I finally received both remastered albums. I’m glad that the money goes to the band and I’m happy to support them… but I’ve come to the conclusion that no remaster is going to help the Haunts album. It needs a remix. I can’t tell a noticeable improvement over the retroactive/legacy one that came out before. I just think it wasn’t the best of recordings in the first place (aside from the nice crunchy guitar tone). 

That said… I think the Testimony of Apocalypse remaster does sound great! But that one has a more traditional sounding thrash production.

Haunts sounds different when you play the new remaster side-by-side with the original on Apple Music. TOA definitely sounds better than the version on Apple Music. I never thought the retroactive version of TOA sounded much better.

average joe wrote:

TZ75 wrote:I finally received both remastered albums. I’m glad that the money goes to the band and I’m happy to support them… but I’ve come to the conclusion that no remaster is going to help the Haunts album. It needs a remix. I can’t tell a noticeable improvement over the retroactive/legacy one that came out before. I just think it wasn’t the best of recordings in the first place (aside from the nice crunchy guitar tone). 

That said… I think the Testimony of Apocalypse remaster does sound great! But that one has a more traditional sounding thrash production.

Haunts definitely sounds different when you play the new remaster side-by-side with the original on Apple Music.

It has more bass, but so does the Legacy edition from Retroactive records. I just think the overall production is too dry and compressed.

It’s not terrible… Rob Wolfe’s vocals are great and so is the guitar sound. If you put the guitar from Haunts on Testimony, it would be amazing!