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Re: Ted Kirkpatrick and Ripper Owens... working together again
by Black Rider Sat Jun 13, 2020 11:20 am
Why do a song from a blasphemous movie?
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Re: Ted Kirkpatrick and Ripper Owens... working together again
by Temple of Blood Sat Jun 13, 2020 8:04 pm
Black Rider wrote:Why do a song from a blasphemous movie?
Good question.
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Re: Ted Kirkpatrick and Ripper Owens... working together again
by deathisgain Sat Jun 13, 2020 9:21 pm
Watched it a few times, never thought it was that blasphemous. has some great songs in it.
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Re: Ted Kirkpatrick and Ripper Owens... working together again
by Black Rider Sun Jun 14, 2020 3:38 pm
It portrays Jesus as just a man, nothing more.
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Re: Ted Kirkpatrick and Ripper Owens... working together again
by WildWorld Sun Jun 14, 2020 7:09 pm
Maybe they should have covered a song from Joseph and the Amazing Technicolor Dreamcoat instead.
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Re: Ted Kirkpatrick and Ripper Owens... working together again
by Ted Kirkpatrick Sun Jun 14, 2020 9:30 pm
JCS is a musical/film that shows the very human side of Jesus, and the very human - and often fallen - side of those around him. Lest we forget - Jesus came to earth as a man, and through much of the New Testament, exhibited many characteristics of man - all of course, without sinning. Thirst, anger, frustration, abandonment, etc.
This song is an incredibly moving piece about his conversational struggle with his Father for having to be the sacrifice and die on the cross. I envision it will be a blessing to many, many people - pretty much the opposite of blasphemous. This brilliant musical has been one of my favorites since it was released in 1970, and a frequent blessing to my life. "Gethsemane" has been performed by Ian Gillen of Deep Purple - who played Jesus in an early London version, Ted Neeley, Gary Cherone, Sebastian Bach, and of course John Legend in the most recent version, also featuring Alice Cooper as King Herod.
Our version features awesome keyboards and piano by Bruno Sa of Geoff Tate's band, and Ripper's singing is truly something to hear, I guarantee you...
This song is an incredibly moving piece about his conversational struggle with his Father for having to be the sacrifice and die on the cross. I envision it will be a blessing to many, many people - pretty much the opposite of blasphemous. This brilliant musical has been one of my favorites since it was released in 1970, and a frequent blessing to my life. "Gethsemane" has been performed by Ian Gillen of Deep Purple - who played Jesus in an early London version, Ted Neeley, Gary Cherone, Sebastian Bach, and of course John Legend in the most recent version, also featuring Alice Cooper as King Herod.
Our version features awesome keyboards and piano by Bruno Sa of Geoff Tate's band, and Ripper's singing is truly something to hear, I guarantee you...
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Re: Ted Kirkpatrick and Ripper Owens... working together again
by average joe Sun Jun 14, 2020 10:27 pm
I always just assumed it was blasphemous without ever even seeing or hearing it. If nothing else, based on the title alone and the fact that it’s a fictional portrayal. Along the lines of Last Temptation. I have never seen that either.
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Re: Ted Kirkpatrick and Ripper Owens... working together again
by Ted Kirkpatrick Sun Jun 14, 2020 10:37 pm
Maybe don't judge a book by its cover. If, as a Christian, I told people that Jesus is the "superstar" of my life, would that be blasphemous? Um, no. Fictional portrayal?? No again - it is almost entirely based on biblical events.
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Re: Ted Kirkpatrick and Ripper Owens... working together again
by average joe Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:59 am
Interesting! Like I said, never saw it. Can’t judge something I have never seen. I think I already mentioned that I “assumed” it was. I was also going off some of the online descriptions regarding the fiction piece.
“It depicts political and interpersonal struggles between Judas Iscariot and Jesus that are not present in the Bible.“
I have never heard it described as a blessing or positive portrayal of Christ. Intriguing.
“It depicts political and interpersonal struggles between Judas Iscariot and Jesus that are not present in the Bible.“
I have never heard it described as a blessing or positive portrayal of Christ. Intriguing.
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Re: Ted Kirkpatrick and Ripper Owens... working together again
by BaleMaster Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:56 am
Btw, Ted, if you're lurking...I am banging my head to the remastered Psychosurgery. It's the bomb!
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Re: Ted Kirkpatrick and Ripper Owens... working together again
by Black Rider Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:23 am
It used a few Biblical events and added a whole of things not in the Scripture. It completely leaves out that Jesus came to die, chose to die and it was to take away our sin. I don't see how you can watch this movie and not realize it's intent was to make Christ nothing more then a confused man and leaves out the part of him being God.
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Re: Ted Kirkpatrick and Ripper Owens... working together again
by Ted Kirkpatrick Mon Jun 15, 2020 10:41 am
Black Rider wrote:It used a few Biblical events and added a whole of things not in the Scripture. It completely leaves out that Jesus came to die, chose to die and it was to take away our sin. I don't see how you can watch this movie and not realize it's intent was to make Christ nothing more then a confused man and leaves out the part of him being God.
Again, wrong dude. Here's just one song to verify the message that Jesus said he was God. Do you guys even know any of the lyrics to this musical?? BTW - this is sung by King Herod, played by a Christian - Alice Cooper. Better go after him for being a part of - and singing in - such a blasphemous musical. Also - the ENTIRE song "Gethsemane" is about the fact that Jesus came here to die...
"Jesus, I am overjoyed to meet you face to face.
You've been getting quite a name all around the place.
Healing cripples, raising from the dead.
And now I understand you're God,
At least, that's what you've said.
So, you are the Christ, you're the great Jesus Christ.
Prove to me that you're divine; change my water into wine.
That's all you need do, then I'll know it's all true.
Come on, King of the Jews.
Jesus, you just won't believe the hit you've made around here.
You are all we talk about, the wonder of the year.
Oh what a pity if it's all a lie.
Still, I'm sure that you can rock the cynics if you tried.
So, you are the Christ, you're the great Jesus Christ.
Prove to me that you're no fool; walk across my swimming pool.
If you do that for me, then I'll let you go free.
Come on, King of the Jews.
I only ask what I'd ask any superstar.
What is it that you have got that puts you where you are.
I am waiting, yes I'm a captive fan.
I'm dying to be shown that you are not just any man.
So, if you are the Christ, yes the great Jesus Christ
Feed my household with this bread.
You can do it on your head.
Or has something gone wrong. Jesus, why do you take so long?
Oh come on, King of the Jews.
Hey! Aren't you scared of me Christ?
Mr. Wonderful Christ?
You're a joke. You're not the Lord.
You are nothing but a fraud.
Take him away.
He's got nothing to say!
Get out you King of the,
Get out King of the,
Oh get out you King of the Jews!
Get out of here!
Get out of here you,
Get out of my life."
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Re: Ted Kirkpatrick and Ripper Owens... working together again
by Ted Kirkpatrick Mon Jun 15, 2020 10:44 am
BaleMaster wrote:Btw, Ted, if you're lurking...I am banging my head to the remastered Psychosurgery. It's the bomb!
Awesome! The remaster does sound great. Just slightly louder w/o more compression, and a bit fuller sounding... thanks for picking it up!
Get the three remasters here: https://tourniquet.net/product-category/audio/
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Re: Ted Kirkpatrick and Ripper Owens... working together again
by average joe Mon Jun 15, 2020 12:41 pm
V Black Rider wrote:It used a few Biblical events and added a whole of things not in the Scripture. It completely leaves out that Jesus came to die, chose to die and it was to take away our sin. I don't see how you can watch this movie and not realize it's intent was to make Christ nothing more then a confused man and leaves out the part of him being God.
Found some interesting breakdowns:
“To summarize the theme of Jesus Christ Superstar, Jesus was not divine but was a fascinating and magnetic man of good intentions who let things get out of control. Overwhelmed by His own fame, He desired to return to a simpler, more sincere life, but He couldn’t. Of the disciples, only Judas recognized what was happening. He hated what Jesus had become but still loved Him and wanted to help Him. Jesus saw only one way out of His predicament: to die as a martyr; then, perhaps, some of His good teaching might be remembered.
Of course, this is not biblical. Jesus is more than just a man; He is the Son of God ([url=https://biblia.com/bible/esv/John 10.30]John 10:30[/url]). Jesus never lost sight of His mission to seek and save the lost ([url=https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Luke 19.10]Luke 19:10[/url]), which required His sacrificial death on the cross as payment for our sin ([url=https://biblia.com/bible/esv/1 Pet 3.18]1 Peter 3:18[/url]). Jesus did not just die; He rose again ([url=https://biblia.com/bible/esv/1 Pet 1.3]1 Peter 1:3[/url]).
Jesus Christ Superstar is more than a popular opera that happens to get some facts wrong. It is an attempt to rewrite history. It makes the traitor Judas Iscariot a victim and reduces the Lord Jesus Christ to a burnt-out celebrity who is in over His head.”
Source:
https://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-Christ-Superstar.html
IT OFFENDED RELIGIOUS GROUPS.
"In terms of controversy ... Jesus Christ Superstar is Christina Aguilera flubbing the national anthem before the Super Bowl," entertainment journalist Tim Cain once wrote. "Controversy ... swirled around it when it was released."The show was protested by the American Jewish Committee and the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith. American evangelist Billy Graham also wasn't a fan: He accused the musical of bordering “on blasphemy and sacrilege" and said he [url=https://books.google.com/books?id=P9rFTWvLDNgC&pg=PA124&lpg=PA124&dq=billy+graham+jesus+christ+superstar+bordered+on+blasphemy&source=bl&ots=GUxvUglx0G&sig=sME0xTVuKwdVKyXIRwYIXHOrSRo&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjN5LmfubzUAhWGGz4KHTUWDYYQ6AEIODAD#v=onepage&q=billy graham jesus christ superstar bordered on]objected[/url] “to the fact that it leaves out the Resurrection. If there is no Resurrection, there is no Christianity.” (Though he did acknowledge that "if the production ... causes young people to search their Bibles, to that extent it may be beneficial.") Elsewhere, South Africa’s Publications Control Board [url=https://books.google.com/books?id=7A4EAAAAMBAJ&pg=RA1-PA55&lpg=RA1-PA55&dq=jesus+christ+superstar+banned+in+south+africa&source=bl&ots=FN1Lksrqat&sig=Xte1twUL52RvXtKcfByIrp3zs7g&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjj9s6wurzUAhUEND4KHRg6DKsQ6AEIXTAI#v=onepage&q=jesus christ superstar banned in south]temporarily banned[/url] Superstar in that country, lest it “offend the religious convictions or feelings of certain sections of the population.” The show also managed to irritate the British National Secular Society, which picketed Superstar’s opening night on the West End.
But a few organizations did rise to its defense. For example, in 1971, the Vatican’s radio station aired the concept album in its entirety, along with some remarks from Lloyd Webber, Rice, and various religious figures. “Nothing like this has ever been broadcast on [Vatican Radio] until now,” announced one papal spokesman, “but we feel that this is a work of considerable importance.”
Source:
https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/501993/facts-about-jesus-christ-superstar-andrew-lloyd-webber-tim-rice
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Re: Ted Kirkpatrick and Ripper Owens... working together again
by Guest Mon Jun 15, 2020 6:40 pm
I'm going to have to fall on the side of the CMR crew on this one.
That being said, I bet some folks here listen to non-Christian metal that borders on blasphemous at times also....maybe it sticks out more when a Christian plays it...
Anyway...the best thing to do is go by your own convictions.
That being said, I bet some folks here listen to non-Christian metal that borders on blasphemous at times also....maybe it sticks out more when a Christian plays it...
Anyway...the best thing to do is go by your own convictions.
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Re: Ted Kirkpatrick and Ripper Owens... working together again
by Black Rider Mon Jun 15, 2020 8:55 pm
When it comes to song about Jesus that is off and a Christian covers it, it seems to be giving it legitimacy. I try hard to stay away from songs that border on blasphemy.
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Re: Ted Kirkpatrick and Ripper Owens... working together again
by KaramKaram Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:17 pm
looking forward to this
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Re: Ted Kirkpatrick and Ripper Owens... working together again
by TZ75 Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:50 pm
Ted Kirkpatrick wrote:BaleMaster wrote:Btw, Ted, if you're lurking...I am banging my head to the remastered Psychosurgery. It's the bomb!
Awesome! The remaster does sound great. Just slightly louder w/o more compression, and a bit fuller sounding... thanks for picking it up!
Get the three remasters here: https://tourniquet.net/product-category/audio/
I just ordered the three cd bundle myself. Can’t wait to hear them!
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Re: Ted Kirkpatrick and Ripper Owens... working together again
by TZ75 Mon Jun 15, 2020 9:55 pm
Ted Kirkpatrick wrote:JCS is a musical/film that shows the very human side of Jesus, and the very human - and often fallen - side of those around him. Lest we forget - Jesus came to earth as a man, and through much of the New Testament, exhibited many characteristics of man - all of course, without sinning. Thirst, anger, frustration, abandonment, etc.
This song is an incredibly moving piece about his conversational struggle with his Father for having to be the sacrifice and die on the cross. I envision it will be a blessing to many, many people - pretty much the opposite of blasphemous. This brilliant musical has been one of my favorites since it was released in 1970, and a frequent blessing to my life. "Gethsemane" has been performed by Ian Gillen of Deep Purple - who played Jesus in an early London version, Ted Neeley, Gary Cherone, Sebastian Bach, and of course John Legend in the most recent version, also featuring Alice Cooper as King Herod.
Our version features awesome keyboards and piano by Bruno Sa of Geoff Tate's band, and Ripper's singing is truly something to hear, I guarantee you...
Don’t forget Jeff Fenholt. He was very famous for it.
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Re: Ted Kirkpatrick and Ripper Owens... working together again
by Airola Tue Jun 16, 2020 10:40 am
I saw the news on Facebook and having never seen Jesus Christ Superstar nor heard much of its songs, I went to Youtube and watched the clip from the movie with this song.
The song is AMAZING! Can't wait to hear what the cover will be like.
Theologically speaking it's pretty much about what "not wanting to drink from the cup you gave me" means psychologically. Why a person would not want to become a sacrifice and why the same person would still end up accepting it. It is a fact that Jesus wanted to avoid his fate and destiny for a short moment and there must be a reason why he had these thoughts. To me that song isn't supposed to show what Jesus spoke, but what he might've thought and what might've been behind him hoping "the cup" would pass him instead of him having to drink from it.
The song is AMAZING! Can't wait to hear what the cover will be like.
Theologically speaking it's pretty much about what "not wanting to drink from the cup you gave me" means psychologically. Why a person would not want to become a sacrifice and why the same person would still end up accepting it. It is a fact that Jesus wanted to avoid his fate and destiny for a short moment and there must be a reason why he had these thoughts. To me that song isn't supposed to show what Jesus spoke, but what he might've thought and what might've been behind him hoping "the cup" would pass him instead of him having to drink from it.
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by Black Rider Tue Jun 16, 2020 6:57 pm
Wow, we have really become shallow in our beliefs. This movie shows Jesus as a man, a confused man who isn't sure why he needs to die. I can't believe so many would support this kind of movie.
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Re: Ted Kirkpatrick and Ripper Owens... working together again
by TZ75 Tue Jun 16, 2020 7:44 pm
I’m willing to check it out.
It’s obviously not very deep theologically speaking... it’s just a mainstream musical.
It’s obviously not very deep theologically speaking... it’s just a mainstream musical.
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by Frozen Fire Tue Jun 16, 2020 8:22 pm
Never heard the original, until now, never paid attention to the lyrics either. Yet, before I knew the Lord I loved this album and the band's rendition of it.
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Re: Ted Kirkpatrick and Ripper Owens... working together again
by deathisgain Tue Jun 16, 2020 9:24 pm
I enjoy the movie and still will. The song is a powerful song. If it was about someone like Elijah, I could see it being spot on. That being said, after rewatching it, I remember thinking that the lyrics seem to be from the point of a 100% man. Not a 100% man/100% God. One thing I started thinking about a year or so back, is that Jesus was not just 100% man, but sinless as well. None of us, except prefallen Adam and Eve understand what that is like. So, he face temptations as a man, but had the mind of a sinless one. Also, as mentioned before, I read that the writers saw him as nothing more than a man.
Will I give this a listen, yes.
Will I give this a listen, yes.
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