About Boone's Overstock, Brutal Planet Records, Non Christian Black Metal (and maybe more...)

One of the last topics that shaken the realm of Christian Metal on Facebook is the fact that Brutal Planet Records, the non christian Record label that is a sublabel from Retroactive Records, will rerelease an álbum from a declared satanic band.

Some persons are thinking in boycott anything that Boone's will do from here ahead and I can't lie, to me this subject sounds a little arrange, but I don't think in stop purchasing some of good stuff from them. And you guys, what do you think about this?


P.S.: I'm bring this issue here just to talk and know your views about the question, not to judge or condemn the actions from the label's owner...

It's one thing to release secular music, but an entirely different category to release satanic music imo. I don't see how it could be morally justified in any way. It's not like a label is some kind of open platform anyone can use to release their music. They pick and choose what they want to release, and in this case they have chosen wrongly.

Yeah, I responded on Facebook. I’m shocked and saddened that they would choose to release this album.

I remember getting into an argument with my band mates in college because our vocalist wanted to play a show with a satanic band on the bill. I was fine to play with secular bands, but I didn’t want to play with a satanic one. I’m not saying I was right and he was wrong, it’s just what this discussion reminded me of.

Heck Ive already stopped buying from boones since they jacked Shipping and CD prices through the roof

mothy wrote:Heck Ive already stopped buying from boones since they jacked Shipping and CD prices through the roof

Same with me, actually.

Pethead wrote:I remember getting into an argument with my band mates in college because our vocalist wanted to play a show with a satanic band on the bill. I was fine to play with secular bands, but I didn’t want to play with a satanic one. I’m not saying I was right and he was wrong, it’s just what this discussion reminded me of.

You should have pulled an opposite to what Glen Benton did to Tourniquet and had the satanic band kicked off the bill LOL!

I didn’t have near that kind of cache.

Still don’t, actually…

It doesn't surprise me. Matt went off the deep end a while back ago. I don't think he post about it as much, but he got deep into support for the LGBTQ community and talking down to anyone that didn't agree to his stance. And he's a Pastor to boot.

Yikes I don't think I was aware of that...

Bad decision from Boones…

There is already so many anti-Christian record labels that would never consider selling anything Christian. Even if the band makes them money! 

But at the end of the day, I guess Boones is just a business (not a ministry). The owner loves money.

deathisgain wrote:It doesn't surprise me. Matt went off the deep end a while back ago. I don't think he post about it as much, but he got deep into support for the LGBTQ community and talking down to anyone that didn't agree to his stance. And he's a Pastor to boot.

Yikes. And sadly, more and more common.

mothy wrote:Heck Ive already stopped buying from boones since they jacked Shipping and CD prices through the roof

I’m glad you brought that up! 

His shipping rates are horrible! I’m convinced it’s a scam. He lures you with the sale price, then jacks up the shipping to minimize the savings. And those gold edition remasters are way over priced! Averaging around $22 a disc. Is it worth it? Sometimes the remaster ruins the charm of the original.

Speaking of the gold disc remasters…

I just got a great deal over at Girder (about a week ago). He lowered the price of his stock on select albums. I got two Nevermore albums at $11.80 per CD. 

In comparison, just one at Boones prices (plus his shipping) would be close to $30.

Pethead wrote:I remember getting into an argument with my band mates in college because our vocalist wanted to play a show with a satanic band on the bill. I was fine to play with secular bands, but I didn’t want to play with a satanic one. I’m not saying I was right and he was wrong, it’s just what this discussion reminded me of.

Similar to when Megadeth ended up getting Rotting Christ and Dissection kicked off a concert because Dave refused to play alongside them.

Btw, did your band ever release anything?

I have known for awhile about Matt's view on LBGT. He's a United Minister and the United Church is liberal regarding LBGT I believe. Another way of looking at it is Matt runs a label. It's similar to buying Stryper on Frontiers Records. Frontiers isn't a Christian label buy they distribute Michael Sweet's work.

Do you buy from liberal companies like Starbucks or Nike?
Do you buy secular albums that promote a permissive lifestyle?

I don't agree with the LBGT alphabet lifestyle. If Matt reissues a Christian album, I'll likely buy it from him or at an after market place. I want to support the artist. Does the artist know - we don't know. You would be surprised what "Christian" record companies and artist think of LBGT. There has been a few songs in the past against it or the general immoral lifestyle like Jerusalem Sodom but it isn't written about very often.

If your favorite artist supported LBGT or was lenient, what would you do?

I'm not judging, just mentioning a few areas to think about.

Soldier777 wrote:There has been a few songs in the past against it or the general immoral lifestyle like Jerusalem Sodom but it isn't written about very often.

The only lyrics that come to mind are from Deliverance's What a Joke where one line is specifically criticizing gays. Jimmy later censored himself when he re-recorded the song in 2014 and replaced the word "homos" with "the world", but the new 2020 remaster by Retroactive Records left that the way it used to be.

I don't really care if a band is for or against LGBT, or for or against anything else for that matter.
To quote Roger:
"If it jams it jams"

I don't like censorship though, so I don't like what Jimmy did with the lyrics even though that doesn't really matter that much, and I don't like if curse words are beeped or whatever (the only time that has worked was in the infamous re-release of Megadeth's These Boots where the beeping is overdone as a joke - it actually sounds way nastier with the beeps sometimes filling complete sentences, it's comedy gold!)

I didn't noticed on What a Joke that homos was replaced by world. I have the view that just because something is "Christian" or "non- Christian" or "secular" doesn't mean it does or does not hold up to the Bible.

As long as Matt releases Christian material that I want to hear, I will support that.  I don't have to agree with his stances on issues, not don't have to buy something completely Satanic in nature.

As a Christian whilo is also a musician, I would be honored to play my music even if there were a Satanic band on stage.  You may as well sow a seed or two if the opportunity arises.  You never know who will hear, believe, and be saved.

alldatndensum wrote:As long as Matt releases Christian material that I want to hear, I will support that.  I don't have to agree with his stances on issues, not don't have to buy something completely Satanic in nature.

As a Christian whilo is also a musician, I would be honored to play my music even if there were a Satanic band on stage.  You may as well sow a seed or two if the opportunity arises.  You never know who will hear, believe, and be saved.

Amen

Soldier777 wrote:If Matt reissues a Christian album, I'll likely buy it from him or at an after market place. I want to support the artist.

 
Doing so doesn't support the artist, generally speaking. More often than not, especially in the case of the remasters/reissues, the distro pays for a license from the rights holder to do a limited run of the title/titles. None of which goes to the artist.

In the case of an indie like me, that fee is paid to the artist, and the entity issuing the rerelease gets all of the proceeds from the sales.

So you're not supporting the artist when you purchase these.

***EDIT*** This is not a diss of Matt or anyone else. As a fan, I'm happy to see some of these reissues of out-of-print titles. But as an artist, I can't help but cringe a little when someone thinks that they're doing artists a solid when they purchase them. 99.9% of the time the artist sees none of the money generated, and in a lot of cases has no idea their work was licensed at all. The entity reissuing the records take s a risk, puts up their money for the license, the remastering (if applicable), the updated artwork, etc., ad theyre entitled to make back whatever they can of their money. That's how business works. But again, it almost never benefits the artist.

StevenCressler wrote:

Pethead wrote:I remember getting into an argument with my band mates in college because our vocalist wanted to play a show with a satanic band on the bill. I was fine to play with secular bands, but I didn’t want to play with a satanic one. I’m not saying I was right and he was wrong, it’s just what this discussion reminded me of.

Similar to when Megadeth ended up getting Rotting Christ and Dissection kicked off a concert because Dave refused to play alongside them.

Btw, did your band ever release anything?

We had a video of a live performance on YouTube ages ago, but I haven’t been able to find it in years.

Luke Easter wrote:

Soldier777 wrote:If Matt reissues a Christian album, I'll likely buy it from him or at an after market place. I want to support the artist.

 
Doing so doesn't support the artist, generally speaking. More often than not, especially in the case of the remasters/reissues, the distro pays for a license from the rights holder to do a limited run of the title/titles. None of which goes to the artist.

In the case of an indie like me, that fee is paid to the artist, and the entity issuing the rerelease gets all of the proceeds from the sales.

So you're not supporting the artist when you purchase these.

***EDIT*** This is not a diss of Matt or anyone else. As a fan, I'm happy to see some of these reissues of out-of-print titles. But as an artist, I can't help but cringe a little when someone thinks that they're doing artists a solid when they purchase them. 99.9% of the time the artist sees none of the money generated, and in a lot of cases has no idea their work was licensed at all. The entity reissuing the records take s a risk, puts up their money for the license, the remastering (if applicable), the updated artwork, etc., ad theyre entitled to make back whatever they can of their money. That's how business works. But again, it almost never benefits the artist.

Thanks for the clarification!

As far as label releases, these reissued probably don't profit the artist much if at all.  In the past few years, I have bought more reissues of demo albums or self-released projects.  I would guess that the artists negotiate with Retroactive, Roxx, and Girder directly in these cases.  They would profit more directly.  I know--it isn't going to be huge amounts because of all these labels doing limited releases.

So he’s promoting the enemy for a profit? Doesn’t make sense. Is the guy a Christian? It’s a total contradiction to do that. 

Judas and his 30 pieces of silver.

No wonder I haven't bought any music (Christian or otherwise, apart from my YouTube Music subscription) in ages.  This woke "pastor" and his business can kick rocks and go belly-up IMO.