Stryper / Black Sabbath - "After Forever" Cover........

MetalForJesus wrote:

sentient 6 wrote:Not bad....

One thing I'm curious about is who in BS wrote the lyrics and what the motivation was ? Any body know of a interview where someone talks about that song ?

According to what I have heard BS got deeply in touch with the demonic forces since they were dabbling with the occult in their early albums. Therefore they got scared and wanted to stay away from it and wrote After Forever. They also started to always wear big crosses after this.

Thiago-Brazil wrote:There is also a theory that explain where the name of the band came from...
But it is better to save it for another thread.

Candlemass wrote:

Peter who was Vaak wrote:Frost Like Ashes' cover is still the best, but this is alright.  Let's be real here: almost any vocal is an improvement over Ozzie's.

Soldier777 wrote:I may be in the minority, but I think I like the Deliverance version better - it has more of a natural melodic flow of the song. I'll listen to the Stryper version a few more times to get more of a feel - perhaps I'll like it more with time.

Thiago-Brazil wrote:

Soldier777 wrote:I may be in the minority, but I think I like the Deliverance version better - it has more of a natural melodic flow of the song. I'll listen to the Stryper version a few more times to get more of a feel - perhaps I'll like it more with time.

I would give the Deliverance cover a 0 out of 10...

This song doesn't match with the What a Joke album vibe, it totally breaks the rhythm of the album. Maybe they should have included this cover on another album such as River Disturbance...
I remember the first time I heard the What a Joke album and then the After Forever track begun and I stopped what I was doing and thought: "what song is that?". I didn't even know it was a BS cover. I don't care about the jokes on that album (I actually enjoy Chipped Beef and Purgatory Sandwich with Mustard), but this song annoys me.

I didn't listen to the Stryper version, but it might fit better on Stryper style. However, I am going to listen to the new album as a whole at the first listen, and then It will certainly be a skip button, just as I do with the Deliverance version.

The best cover Stryper did so far was the Peace of Mind, from Boston. That song is great and it is probably better than the original version.

Aaron C wrote:

Thiago-Brazil wrote:

Soldier777 wrote:I may be in the minority, but I think I like the Deliverance version better - it has more of a natural melodic flow of the song. I'll listen to the Stryper version a few more times to get more of a feel - perhaps I'll like it more with time.

I would give the Deliverance cover a 0 out of 10...

This song doesn't match with the What a Joke album vibe, it totally breaks the rhythm of the album. Maybe they should have included this cover on another album such as River Disturbance...
I remember the first time I heard the What a Joke album and then the After Forever track begun and I stopped what I was doing and thought: "what song is that?". I didn't even know it was a BS cover. I don't care about the jokes on that album (I actually enjoy Chipped Beef and Purgatory Sandwich with Mustard), but this song annoys me.

I didn't listen to the Stryper version, but it might fit better on Stryper style. However, I am going to listen to the new album as a whole at the first listen, and then It will certainly be a skip button, just as I do with the Deliverance version.

The best cover Stryper did so far was the Peace of Mind, from Boston. That song is great and it is probably better than the original version.

Just curious, Do you know of any of the background history of the What a Joke Album?

MetalForJesus wrote:

According to what I have heard BS got deeply in touch with the demonic forces since they were dabbling with the occult in their early albums. Therefore they got scared and wanted to stay away from it and wrote After Forever. They also started to always wear big crosses after this.

Aaron C wrote:

Soldier777 wrote:I may be in the minority, but I think I like the Deliverance version better - it has more of a natural melodic flow of the song. I'll listen to the Stryper version a few more times to get more of a feel - perhaps I'll like it more with time.

Im with you there dude, I Love the Deliverance version I havent heard Stryper's cover on it, but as it stands this is one of my fav D covers

Aaron C wrote:

Soldier777 wrote:I may be in the minority, but I think I like the Deliverance version better - it has more of a natural melodic flow of the song. I'll listen to the Stryper version a few more times to get more of a feel - perhaps I'll like it more with time.

Im with you there dude, I Love the Deliverance version I havent heard Stryper's cover on it, but as it stands this is one of my fav D covers

sentient 6 wrote:.....I like the D cover.....but being a Biohazard fan back in the day....I liked this more for a spell.

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Thiago-Brazil wrote:

MetalForJesus wrote:

sentient 6 wrote:Not bad....

One thing I'm curious about is who in BS wrote the lyrics and what the motivation was ? Any body know of a interview where someone talks about that song ?

According to what I have heard BS got deeply in touch with the demonic forces since they were dabbling with the occult in their early albums. Therefore they got scared and wanted to stay away from it and wrote After Forever. They also started to always wear big crosses after this.

Once I read that there was lots of criticism in the media about what Black Sabbath was writing in their albums and they were often called satanists, so they wrote After Forever in order to dismiss those kind of thoughts.

But your theory makes more sense to me, after all...
One thing looks to be true: That the band was into occultism in their earlier career. There is also a theory that explain where the name of the band came from...
But it is better to save it for another thread.

sentient 6 wrote:

MetalForJesus wrote:

According to what I have heard BS got deeply in touch with the demonic forces since they were dabbling with the occult in their early albums. Therefore they got scared and wanted to stay away from it and wrote After Forever. They also started to always wear big crosses after this.

Ah. Sounds like purely superstitious reasons.

This just goes to show you that even non-believers can know the truth and yet will not submit themselves too that truth.

Throne of thorns wrote:

sentient 6 wrote:

MetalForJesus wrote:

According to what I have heard BS got deeply in touch with the demonic forces since they were dabbling with the occult in their early albums. Therefore they got scared and wanted to stay away from it and wrote After Forever. They also started to always wear big crosses after this.

Ah. Sounds like purely superstitious reasons.

This just goes to show you that even non-believers can know the truth and yet will not submit themselves too that truth.

One must remember that back in those days everything was fire hell and brimstone it was much like the witch trails in some ways metal set it's way against Christianity at the time because it was rebelling against it's message which was to insert fear into people. So the Superstitious part really came from the church to begin with... that is why heavy metal was so centred on being "EVIL" and all things "Satan" etc  Just ask Ozzy why he acted as the preacher in the movie trick or treat aside from a good laugh. I was there at the mid to late eighties and early 90's as prob most of you here would have been. I don't know what church is like now but back then everything was "EVIL"

Thiago-Brazil wrote:

Aaron C wrote:

Thiago-Brazil wrote:

Soldier777 wrote:I may be in the minority, but I think I like the Deliverance version better - it has more of a natural melodic flow of the song. I'll listen to the Stryper version a few more times to get more of a feel - perhaps I'll like it more with time.

I would give the Deliverance cover a 0 out of 10...

This song doesn't match with the What a Joke album vibe, it totally breaks the rhythm of the album. Maybe they should have included this cover on another album such as River Disturbance...
I remember the first time I heard the What a Joke album and then the After Forever track begun and I stopped what I was doing and thought: "what song is that?". I didn't even know it was a BS cover. I don't care about the jokes on that album (I actually enjoy Chipped Beef and Purgatory Sandwich with Mustard), but this song annoys me.

I didn't listen to the Stryper version, but it might fit better on Stryper style. However, I am going to listen to the new album as a whole at the first listen, and then It will certainly be a skip button, just as I do with the Deliverance version.

The best cover Stryper did so far was the Peace of Mind, from Boston. That song is great and it is probably better than the original version.

Just curious, Do you know of any of the background history of the What a Joke Album?

Yes I do. I am a Deliverance Die Hard fan.

I just thought it was an infamous joke when it regards to this cover. Worst song in the album, undoubtedly.

d@v!d wrote:

Thiago-Brazil wrote:There is also a theory that explain where the name of the band came from...
But it is better to save it for another thread.

Just FYI. They took that name after an old horror film of that same name in homage. They were called Earth before that.

Candlemass wrote:

Peter who was Vaak wrote:Frost Like Ashes' cover is still the best, but this is alright.  Let's be real here: almost any vocal is an improvement over Ozzie's.

Thiago-Brazil wrote:

d@v!d wrote:

Thiago-Brazil wrote:There is also a theory that explain where the name of the band came from...
But it is better to save it for another thread.

Just FYI. They took that name after an old horror film of that same name in homage. They were called Earth before that.

I suppose this horror film regards some sort of satanic ritual.

I always wondered, if the band isn't satanic, why did they try to spread this picture of themselves?

Thiago-Brazil wrote:

d@v!d wrote:

Thiago-Brazil wrote:There is also a theory that explain where the name of the band came from...
But it is better to save it for another thread.

Just FYI. They took that name after an old horror film of that same name in homage. They were called Earth before that.

I suppose this horror film regards some sort of satanic ritual.

I always wondered, if the band isn't satanic, why did they try to spread this picture of themselves?

RavenWolf wrote:

Throne of thorns wrote:

sentient 6 wrote:

MetalForJesus wrote:

According to what I have heard BS got deeply in touch with the demonic forces since they were dabbling with the occult in their early albums. Therefore they got scared and wanted to stay away from it and wrote After Forever. They also started to always wear big crosses after this.

Ah. Sounds like purely superstitious reasons.

This just goes to show you that even non-believers can know the truth and yet will not submit themselves too that truth.

One must remember that back in those days everything was fire hell and brimstone it was much like the witch trails in some ways metal set it's way against Christianity at the time because it was rebelling against it's message which was to insert fear into people. So the Superstitious part really came from the church to begin with... that is why heavy metal was so centred on being "EVIL" and all things "Satan" etc  Just ask Ozzy why he acted as the preacher in the movie trick or treat aside from a good laugh. I was there at the mid to late eighties and early 90's as prob most of you here would have been. I don't know what church is like now but back then everything was "EVIL"

That's a very good point! A lot of that early Metal was being attacked by the 'Christians' at the time - who were saying it was 'satanic' merely based off the beat! I think a lot of bands started to sing about satan as a way to retaliate! In that sense ... 'satan' or the 'satanic message' was basically a message and cry of freedom against the religious Christians.

You are so right. Most of those bands weren't truly satanic at all.

messiaen77 wrote:

Thiago-Brazil wrote:

d@v!d wrote:

Thiago-Brazil wrote:There is also a theory that explain where the name of the band came from...
But it is better to save it for another thread.

Just FYI. They took that name after an old horror film of that same name in homage. They were called Earth before that.

I suppose this horror film regards some sort of satanic ritual.

I always wondered, if the band isn't satanic, why did they try to spread this picture of themselves?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0057603/

Why suppose, when you can read? 

I don't have time to really get into this right now, but in a nutshell, for a lot of rock and metal bands, Satan is a metaphor and not a real entity.  Satan represents evil and chaos and a corrupt world system.  Geezer Butler talked about the world into which BS was born (late 1960s) as being a satanic world and that Satan is in control because of the lack of unity and the social inequality prevalent in society.  The dark imagery, the satanic references, all were shaped by that worldview.  It was their voice.  It was their, dare I say, gimmick.

messiaen77 wrote:I was all prepared to hate this because I am so tired of Christian bands covering it, but I'll give Stryper its due and say great job guys.  Now, can we please find another obligatory cover song?