Extol

ThomasEversole wrote:

The guy telling Satan to eff off, I disapprove of the harsh wording, but agree with the overall theme.

sentient 6 wrote:
Jude 1
⁸ Yet in like manner these people also, relying on their dreams, defile the flesh, reject authority, and blaspheme the glorious ones. ⁹ But when the archangel Michael, contending with the devil, was disputing about the body of Moses, he did not presume to pronounce a blasphemous judgment, but said, “The Lord rebuke you.” ¹⁰ But these people blaspheme all that they do not understand, and they are destroyed by all that they, like unreasoning animals, understand instinctively.

Candlemass wrote:

d@v!d wrote:

Throne of thorns wrote:Liked it up until the clean vocals kicked in..I could not look pass those vocals kind of kill it.

Funny, I feel the opposite. I love what they do musically and the guitar work, but the growling vocals makes it almost un-listenable for me.

Nonsense as well, it's all good, it's "The Mighty Extol!"

ThomasEversole wrote:

Tobi Elektrik wrote:It basically means the same in every western culture, but it got totally overused by punk / rock posers.
Seeing that Extol picture and bearing in mind that Europeans are way more relaxed about cuss words and joking insults than US-Americans it's pretty clear that those guys' posing was just a silly joke. It was a PARODY. The band looks really stupid and it was MEANT that way.

I started a thread on this very subject on the nordicfest.no/forum years ago.
While you're right, Europeans are more casual regarding what us in America consider profane...

Still, half the comments from Europeans on the that thread found that picture to be obscene, profane, in bad taste, and they were genuinely embarrassed by Extol's behavior.  You can't chalk it up to culture because even the people of the culture were offended.

Here's another picture from another band (Christian black metal) that I'd like to use as an example.  I copied the pic to my server because its only on his band's facebook page.  Warning, profanity.

Spoiler:

While the cultural difference / language barrier certainly does play a part, this is definitely not a joke.  
I'll tell you why this picture above does NOT offend me in the slightest, but the Extol one DOES.

See, with our friend here saying "eff off Lucifer" (Dan really is a solid faith driven guy) - he's essentially saying something that we as Christians more or less agree with.  Granted its a very abrasive way of saying it, (abrasive enough that I wouldn't dare include it in my Christian art) but we all want Satan to go away.  No one feels that profanity is directed toward them personally because someone tells Satan to get bent.  (though the profanity, in my opinion, is definitely in bad taste)

Extol flipping off the camera is just saying "eff off" TO the camera, essentially bleeding that insult (or if you want to stand by the parody of an insult) to everyone.  I know they didn't take that picture just to tick me off, but seeing that almost feels personal.  
They're not telling Satan or Evil to eff off.  They're telling ME to eff off.  ...but just kidding?

I don't know about you, but I don't do well with several guys standing in front of me, flipping me off regardless of context.  Its very disrespectful and I'd have to show restraint if that happened in person.  ...its even HARDER to accept when those dudes flipping me, you and everyone else off are that Christian band you listen to.

The guy telling Satan to eff off, I disapprove of the harsh wording, but agree with the overall theme.

ThomasEversole wrote:When it comes to Extol, their older albums are better in my opinion.  ...but in regards to them being a Christian band/influence, I lost a good chunk of respect regarding them because of this picture. (warning - obscene gesture)

Spoiler:

Don't get me wrong, I fall short and make mistakes as a human being...  but I don't make public offensive gestures in a picture AS a Christian band.  

For my own conviction, its easier to stomach them as a clean secular band than as a Christian metal example.

ThomasEversole wrote:You can stop trolling anytime dude.

ThomasEversole wrote:


These verses are not in context of anything we talked about in this thread.  Neither does blasphemy/blaspheming even come close to equating profanity.  ...but I'll not steer this toward theology.

sentient 6 wrote:

ThomasEversole wrote:


These verses are not in context of anything we talked about in this thread.  Neither does blasphemy/blaspheming even come close to equating profanity.  ...but I'll not steer this toward theology.

That passage has direct implications on how that black metal artist was addressing Satan. That crass and direct way is never how we are to confront the works of Satan ( at least from what I see as commended in scripture ). Honestly, I am more offended by the arrogance show in that picture over the Extol one. We can proclaim that Satan was defeated, but its by boasting in the work of the Cross. And it has nothing to do with " we. "

.....don't want to offend...but I wouldn't say anything if I didn't think it was more important than this general subject of profanity.