Roger Dale Martin - "STATE OF VENGEANCE RISING ADDRESS"

strangerhoncho wrote:Does anybody know why Scott Waters didn't work out with Once Dead?  I saw them live with him and he actually sounded similar enough to Martinez that it would totally work.

I can't remember which one, but it was Larry or Doug who was concerned with Once Dead sounding too much like Ultimatum if they kept using Scott (I'm fairly certain Scott posted that somewhere).

Roger travels “the world“. Yeah… Tijuana is outside the States. 

Lives in “paradise”. Probably downtown San Diego. 

Staybrite wrote:

strangerhoncho wrote:Does anybody know why Scott Waters didn't work out with Once Dead?  I saw them live with him and he actually sounded similar enough to Martinez that it would totally work.

I can't remember which one, but it was Larry or Doug who was concerned with Once Dead sounding too much like Ultimatum if they kept using Scott (I'm fairly certain Scott posted that somewhere).

I could see that concern if he sang in the style of Ultimatum (*cough* Steve Souza) but when I saw him with Once Dead live he really sounded like Martinez.  I think Scott proved that he could vary his vocal style on Ultimatum's Lex Metalis album.  Bummer that it didn't work out with Once Dead.  Despite his penchant for mimicry, Scott is a really great vocalist and the inability for Ultimatum to continue has really meant a waste of his talent.

Ultimatum is apparently on indefinite hiatus. So why not give Scott Waters a call? He has already proven he can do the job. Plus he’s a great person!

I listened to the Ghost Tribe EP and it's not bad.  There's nothing on there as good as anything they did in Vengeance or Die Happy, but there's potential.  The vocals are better than on Visions of Hell.

This thread is bringing back a lot of memories. I was a Vengeance fan from the beginning and had a few loose connections to the band LONG ago. I remember before "Human Sacrifice" was released, Intense Records had a phone number you could call to hear a few snippets (it was a toll call, so they were presumably making money from that). I remember asking my parents for permission to do that - LOL. I pre-ordered that album (on cassette) and played it enough that the tape wore out.

Back in the day, I was connected to several people who ran The New Union, a Christian club/concert venue in Minneapolis, which booked virtually every Christian metal band that toured. Vengeance played there a few times, and I connected with them on two occasions, mainly through my friend who knew all of the band members from his time at Sanctuary Church in CA. This same friend recorded the Vengeance shows at The New Union (video/audio), and they're really good quality. I've seen them several times, and they'd definitely sell. Maybe some day he'll post them online. At some point, he asked someone in the band (or another person connected to them) about whether they wanted to try to release one of the videos, and there were talks about it, but things got too complicated because of the band split. It was in the course of those discussions that a lot of bizarre/disturbing claims were made about Roger M. - I'll leave specifics out, but it was enough to convince my friend never to be associated with any business dealings that had even a remote connection to Vengeance.

By my estimate, I think that I saw Vengeance live about 6 or 7 times - a few at The New Union and then a few others at Cornerstone Festival. They were always excellent - so many memories from them. At a couple of those I was able to meet/hang out with the band.

Sir Shred A Lot wrote:This thread is bringing back a lot of memories. I was a Vengeance fan from the beginning and had a few loose connections to the band LONG ago. I remember before "Human Sacrifice" was released, Intense Records had a phone number you could call to hear a few snippets (it was a toll call, so they were presumably making money from that). I remember asking my parents for permission to do that - LOL. I pre-ordered that album (on cassette) and played it enough that the tape wore out.

Back in the day, I was connected to several people who ran The New Union, a Christian club/concert venue in Minneapolis, which booked virtually every Christian metal band that toured. Vengeance played there a few times, and I connected with them on two occasions, mainly through my friend who knew all of the band members from his time at Sanctuary Church in CA. This same friend recorded the Vengeance shows at The New Union (video/audio), and they're really good quality. I've seen them several times, and they'd definitely sell. Maybe some day he'll post them online. At some point, he asked someone in the band (or another person connected to them) about whether they wanted to try to release one of the videos, and there were talks about it, but things got too complicated because of the band split. It was in the course of those discussions that a lot of bizarre/disturbing claims were made about Roger M. - I'll leave specifics out, but it was enough to convince my friend never to be associated with any business dealings that had even a remote connection to Vengeance.

By my estimate, I think that I saw Vengeance live about 6 or 7 times - a few at The New Union and then a few others at Cornerstone Festival. They were always excellent - so many memories from them. At a couple of those I was able to meet/hang out with the band.

Try contact if Bill from Roxx Records, maybe him can help in release this material...

There is a live audio bootleg CDR of Vengeance at the New Union that I had years ago.  Bought off of someone online.  I can't recall if it was good or even if I listened to it.  I probably have it somewhere in a box still.

that new union boot you're referring to came from me. it was an audience recording and I think it had those two unreleased songs on it "The Contract" and "The Wailing."

It sounds as if there is another boot in another form? That's news to me.

I've left no stone unturned in my search for VR live material and never heard of a soundboard or pro shot video from the New Union.

The dude should cough it up or make it available online or ROXX if it truly exists.

My friend's recording was with a hand-held video camera (1990 technology), so it wasn't anything professional. He could be the source of the bootleg mentioned - I just don't know. Maybe he used the audio from his video recording and sold it. He'd try to sneak his video camera or handheld audio recorder to every show we attended, and we went to a LOT of Christian metal concerts together. He had audio or video for over 100 concerts.

I haven't had much contact with him since he moved out of state a decade ago. We stayed in touch regularly on Facebook, but I left that a few years ago and haven't communicated with him in a couple years.

The source I had a was a cassette.

VERY rough audience quality, but super rare none the less.

sounds like it's the same dude I got the master cassette from I made the CD out of with pro tools

LONG time ago.

I wish that existed a better source to C-stone '88 concert than the one that appeared on the Intense Milleniun rerelease of HS. Amazing energy at stage, but man... really really poor sound

* New post from RDM *

That's a relief actually. Let the legacy stand as it is.

Legacy? Really?
The world is coming down to pieces and some guys are still worried about legacy?
Through the last few years I stopped worrying about such a thing. 

if you are doing anything in your life, do it for the moment, say whatever you feel it's needed before it is all done.

That said, if 85% is pro a new album, They should definetely go ahead. If they feel like it is a NO GO, that's probably because they wanted a bigger response from the fans (in quantity).

Thiago-Brazil wrote:Legacy? Really?
The world is coming down to pieces and some guys are still worried about legacy?
Through the last few years I stopped worrying about such a thing. 

if you are doing anything in your life, do it for the moment, say whatever you feel it's needed before it is all done.

That said, if 85% is pro a new album, They should definetely go ahead. If they feel like it is a NO GO, that's probably because they wanted a bigger response from the fans (in quantity).

It is a NO GO for one simple reason. The same reason they can't use the name live (IE; Return with a Vengeance), the same reason people seem to forget about, OVER AND OVER. THE NAME DOES NOT BELONG TO THEM!!! It belongs to Roger Martinez. If they could've used it they would've done it by now. Nobody wants to get sued.

The band (Once Dead) and music ARE good. They just need to promote

They should just start over with a new band. Again…

Name the band: Ascending Wrath
Title the album: Sky Splitter

If they wanted to use the name, all they need to do is the classic Vengeance Rising AD, or Vengeance AD.  The same as all the other bands who split and want their fans to find their new work, or who have a name that's contested by another band.

“Vengeance Is Mine” (add Romans 12:19) so there wouldn’t be any confusion about the meaning. 

I seriously like this one!

I've wished and still wish with all my heart Roger M would do something with the name. But, he hasn't. Not a d*** thing.

It's a shame.

He should make merch, a new album..... something. But, I get the feeling he's impossible to work with.

After a few days or so of emailing him a few years back, he started bullying me and threatening me so I blocked him completely.

jaydeecrawson wrote:I've wished and still wish with all my heart Roger M would do something with the name. But, he hasn't. Not a d*** thing.

It's a shame.

He should make merch, a new album..... something. But, I get the feeling he's impossible to work with.

After a few days or so of emailing him a few years back, he started bullying me and threatening me so I blocked him completely.

yeah be interesting to hear what that would sound like.  Would it be like destruction comes or would he go all black metal or what...  guess we will never find out.  I received a  face book message from him long ago about some sort of antichrist script thingy he was writing. I didn't bother reading it all, it was quite detailed and my eyes glazed over.

Hope he is happy now though.

I only had one interaction with Roger back in 1998. I must have messaged him through his website and I asked if he was still a fan of thrash… he said he was a fan of Flotsam and Jetsam and some other old school bands that I can’t remember. 

I’m not sure he mentioned anything else or anti-God stuff.

RDM is selling new Vengeance Rising merch on ChristianBandShirts.com

Roger Dale Martin – ChristianBandShirts.com

Does he still own the band?  I think I'm starting to understand where some of RM's criticisms come from.

Temple of Blood wrote:RDM is selling new Vengeance Rising merch on ChristianBandShirts.com

Roger Dale Martin – ChristianBandShirts.com

Does he still own the band?  I think I'm starting to understand where some of RM's criticisms come from.

They had to use the name Once Dead when they tried to reunite. Unless Martinez has abandoned the copyright… sometimes there are legal loopholes when a business is dormant.

It’s kinda weird that Roger Dale Martin has personal merch with his initials. It’s not like he’s been doing anything to warrant that. Is he trying to advertise himself as a “bass hero”? Like Cliff Burton or John Entwistle. 

Seems kinda weird… maybe if he had his own line of bass guitars called RDM. I just don’t see why I would want to wear his initials on a shirt.