Bloodgood Detonation 2019 Reissue

Truly, for me, all these reissues, and often reissues that have already been reissued, etc etc are getting old now...it's such a glut...

I haven't bought every reissue but I have bought ALOT of them, as I have been in the buy everything that comes out camp a few times in life, and I just can't even hear the difference most of the time, other than it is LOUDER, which I can't stand (loudness wars?).

The only reissue that I recall noticing a difference on is the Unreleased First Mix of Human Sacrifice. Actually really loved that one. Otherwise, meh...

crucifyd wrote:Truly, for me, all these reissues, and often reissues that have already been reissued, etc etc are getting old now...it's such a glut...

I haven't bought every reissue but I have bought ALOT of them, as I have been in the buy everything that comes out camp a few times in life, and I just can't even hear the difference most of the time, other than it is LOUDER, which I can't stand (loudness wars?).

The only reissue that I recall noticing a difference on is the Unreleased First Mix of Human Sacrifice. Actually really loved that one. Otherwise, meh...

Same here, I am all for supporting our favorite classic bands but I don't buy all of them, only the ones I missed the first time around or those that are in desperate need of a remaster. Honestly I thought the IMR Detonation had terrible packaging, lyrics were too small and the background colors inside the booklet made it hard to read anything. That one was definitely amateurish packaging, as were all the IMR releases. This remaster has got to be an improvement over the last but as Alldat said I just don't feel like buying it again. Bought it on cassette then IMR so twice is enough unless this blows that one out of the water.

I haven't bought every reissue but I have bought ALOT of them, as I have been in the buy everything that comes out camp a few times in life, and I just can't even hear the difference most of the time, other than it is LOUDER, which I can't stand (loudness wars?).

That is what I loved about Cliffy's remasters.  He could bring up the volume to a more modern level without sacrificing clarity.  I am doing a lot of older material myself and am trying to do the same thing.  When it gets too loud, the guitars are less prominent, the vocals sometimes get covered, and the mix becomes muddy because you boosted everything so much that all you hear is bass/bass drum.  I can listen to pop radio if I wanted that.

I redid the two CD-R releases of the band L.O.U.D. a few months back but hadn't really listened to them.  I boosted them so much that I ruined them.  So, I went back in and redid the first one.  I brought up the volume but went after something that had more overall punch to keep the guitars and vocals bright.  I could have maxed everything out, but I chose a more subtle level that works.  BOOM!  Found the sweet spot!

Yeah, that was the issue I was alluding to earlier.

Greg over at Girder had responded to my query about what happened to the pre order link at Girder, and he stated the same reasons.

Sign me up for the Sacred Warrior stuff! Hopefully all this works out for the consumer.

Do you buy a CD for the packaging? I wouldn’t buy it all if I could just download it. Frankly, I think it’s ridiculous to not sell this album because the packaging is lacking. Who cares? You buy it to LISTEN to it over and over, not sit and read the packaging over and over. Oh well, their loss.

Follower of Jesus wrote:Do you buy a CD for the packaging? I wouldn’t buy it all if I could just download it. Frankly, I think it’s ridiculous to not sell this album because the packaging is lacking. Who cares? You buy it to LISTEN to it over and over, not sit and read the packaging over and over. Oh well, their loss.

Well, those 2 have been in the business for a long time, and they know more about what their customers look for in a release than you or I do, so I'll defer to them on how to run their business.

Like I said, personally I was going to still buy it, but I understand their point of view.

alldatndensum wrote:That is what I loved about Cliffy's remasters.  He could bring up the volume to a more modern level without sacrificing clarity.
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I redid the two CD-R releases of the band L.O.U.D.

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I brought up the volume

do you mean that Cliffy raises the volume without any clipping?

also, serious question, not meaning it in a snarky way. why would you want to remaster to "make it louder"? is that literally all it is is turning up the volume on the music? isn't that why the stereo/device/whatever has a volume function?

Follower of Jesus wrote:Do you buy a CD for the packaging? I wouldn’t buy it all if I could just download it. Frankly, I think it’s ridiculous to not sell this album because the packaging is lacking. Who cares? You buy it to LISTEN to it over and over, not sit and read the packaging over and over. Oh well, their loss.

Yes.  This is a big part of why I still buy physical media.  I want lyrics, liner notes, and good artwork.  CDs with minimal packaging or worse just a cardboard sleeve.  No, I don't read it every time I listen to it, but when I want it I want it.  I also have many CD inserts autographed at concerts.  It's a lot harder to autograph an iPod (although one of the guys from For Today says he did that once).  Someone who buys a CD wants this stuff.  And yes, you should be able to buy it digitally for a lower price.  Just like vinyl lovers are generally willing to pay more for their strange-colored records, I am willing to pay slightly more than your digital copy for a physical CD, but I want all of the trimmings that go along with it, not just the piece of plastic and metal itself.

crucifyd wrote:

alldatndensum wrote:That is what I loved about Cliffy's remasters.  He could bring up the volume to a more modern level without sacrificing clarity.
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I redid the two CD-R releases of the band L.O.U.D.

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I brought up the volume

do you mean that Cliffy raises the volume without any clipping?

also, serious question, not meaning it in a snarky way. why would you want to remaster to "make it louder"? is that literally all it is is turning up the volume on the music? isn't that why the stereo/device/whatever has a volume function?

A lot of clipping happens after mastering (or remastering) because it was clipping on that channel in the studio.  You can hide a little of that in the mix, but mastering will unveil it if you pump it.  Mastering uses all of the following to take a recording and make it fuller, and louder:  equalization, compression, limiting, editing, specifying the gaps between tracks, adjusting level, fading in and out, noise reduction, and other signal restoration and enhancement processes.

I believe that Cliffy did one heck of a job using all of those tools.  I never heard something he mastered that I didn't like.  I can't say that will Coldwell's work.

Why would you make an older recording louder?  Well, part of that is for radio and streaming purposes.  Do you, the listener, want to have to sit there and turn the stereo up and down for every song you heard from different artists if one song was super loud and another super quiet?  No, uniformity gives you the ability to hear all the songs presented at the same perceived volume.

Also, mastering done right will help highlight parts of the song that you may never have heard before.  If done wrong, it gets louder and super bass heavy.  If done right, you might hear the keys in the background you never heard.  You might hear a guitar lick that was once covered in the mix.  It should sound both louder and brighter, in my opinion.  If you merely boost volume, you will just get more ear fatigue.  If you boost what needs boosting while increasing the volume to a more modern level, you will get a much fuller sounding album that you will enjoy listening to.

I hope that clarifies this for you.

Of course, I would be most interested in either a proper remix/master or total re-recorded of "All Stand Together".  That is still my favorite Bloodgood album ever with "Dangerously Close" right behind it.

Yeah, I was hoping that re-record would come to light. Only one song, which is awesome so I'd love to hear them re-do the whole album.

And preorders are up for the remaster of the first album:

https://boonesoverstock.com/collections/pre-orders/products/bloodgood-bloodgood-new-cd-2019-retroactive-records-remastered-pre-order

I missed the original remasters. I think I am more interested in the first album, than the Detonation album. I for one like all the extra stuff included in the booklets!

Looks like the Detonation reissue is still a thing. Roxx still has them on preorder and i got an e-mail from the band that they have them on their site:

http://bloodgoodband.com/bldesped20.html

I was looking at the backcover artwork and it does not appear to be a Roxx release. I see the Frontline logo and another logo. Perhaps the Bloodgood label? I don't have Dangerously Close handy to check and see.

I broke down and ordered it, because I kept seeing it advertised. I felt like I was missing out ha.

I received my copy of this. If you've not ordered because you already have it, save your money, unless you want the live bonus tracks. I played this one side by side with the 2010 remaster/reissue from Intense Millennium. It sounds identical. If there are differences, you're gonna need your volume at 11 and have the ears of a canine. I'm bummed I spent $20 on this (incl. shipping). 

That being said, the packaging better than people were saying. It's a several page booklet with all the lyrics.

Follower of Jesus wrote:I received my copy of this. If you've not ordered because you already have it, save your money, unless you want the live bonus tracks. I played this one side by side with the 2010 remaster/reissue from Intense Millennium. It sounds identical. If there are differences, you're gonna need your volume at 11 and have the ears of a canine. I'm bummed I spent $20 on this (incl. shipping). 

That being said, the packaging better than people were saying. It's a several page booklet with all the lyrics.

I didn't get in on the Millennium version, so I'm happy to have this.
Also not sure what all the fuss over the packaging was about.  It's like a 8-10 panel booklet with all of the lyrics (in a very readable font).  The only thing that seems a little off is that the images (photo graphs) for the inserts look like they came from an old photo that was scanned at a lower resolution and seem a little washed out.  Not at all the horrible packing Girder made it sound like in their e-mail.  Something tells me there was another reason they didn't carry this.

Staybrite wrote:

Follower of Jesus wrote:I received my copy of this. If you've not ordered because you already have it, save your money, unless you want the live bonus tracks. I played this one side by side with the 2010 remaster/reissue from Intense Millennium. It sounds identical. If there are differences, you're gonna need your volume at 11 and have the ears of a canine. I'm bummed I spent $20 on this (incl. shipping). 

That being said, the packaging better than people were saying. It's a several page booklet with all the lyrics.

I didn't get in on the Millennium version, so I'm happy to have this.
Also not sure what all the fuss over the packaging was about.  It's like a 8-10 panel booklet with all of the lyrics (in a very readable font).  The only thing that seems a little off is that the images (photo graphs) for the inserts look like they came from an old photo that was scanned at a lower resolution and seem a little washed out.  Not at all the horrible packing Girder made it sound like in their e-mail.  Something tells me there was another reason they didn't carry this.

It wasn't just Girder though, Retroactive Records / BoonesOverstock also refused to carry it based on the packaging. And they also sent an email out about it to all their customers.

In early 2017, I ordered the Intense Millenium Records version if Bloodgood self titled and and Detonation. I ordered it from a guy in California and each came with a second disc of live bonus material. Does anybody know how many of these were pressed that included the second disc?

Also, Follower of Jesus said the new version of Detonation sounds identical to the 2010 Intense Millenium Records version.

BoonesOverstock has listed the new Legends series debut Bloodgood CD.

Soldier777 wrote:In early 2017, I ordered the Intense Millenium Records version if Bloodgood self titled and and Detonation. I ordered it from a guy in California and each came with a second disc of live bonus material. Does anybody know how many of these were pressed that included the second disc?

Also, Follower of Jesus said the new version of Detonation sounds identical to the 2010 Intense Millenium Records version.

BoonesOverstock has listed the new Legends series debut Bloodgood CD.

That sounds pretty cool..what is the quality like of the live discs?

BTW...here is the info on the bonus discs

http://www.nolifetilmetal.com/bloodgood.htm

Bought4Life, I am familiar with Scott's No Life to Metal. It never occurred to me to check there. I have the same 2010 Intense Millenium Records version with the bonus disc of the first 2 Bloodgood albums. Only 100 were made.

I also had the cheap KMG 2 on 1 Bloodgood albums for Bloodgood, Detonation, Rock and a Hard Place and out of the Darkness back around 2001. I sold these off a few years ago.

Where I have the very rare first 2 Bloodgood albums, I doubt I will be getting the new versions of Detonation and the debut. If I change my mind and do get these, I will still keep the 2010 versions.

I did get the Shout It Won't Be Long, In Your Face and Shout Back and Ken Tamplin Tamplin CDs. I have the original CD pressings of these and I may sell these. I may get the Tamplin In the Witness Box as well. I have received the It Won't Be Long and In Your Face CDs and the booklets are very professional. I expect the rest will be similar.

I also ordered the Angelica demos, Angelica and Walkin in Faith as well. I have the original CD pressings of these.

I have sold several CDs the past year so I can always sell the original CDs to those mentioned above.

What label is this new Detonation on? Just curious but not ordering again since I have the IMR version already.

I guess i am glad I did not  buy the first reissue.  I am looking forward to getting it!