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Post by Hardcore Christian Sun Jan 22, 2017 12:51 am

I have had thoughts, that I decided wouldnt be the best to put on Facebook....

I dont wanna get too serious about politics here but I wanted a place I could speak my mind and not be mobbed for it

1. Trump is the President of The U.S. (Can't really change it)
2. Many people voted for him, its not like he was put to power like a dictator (like many protestors and people are acting like)
3. I didn't see huge riots when Obama was elected, people generally accepted he had been elected by the majority of our nation
4. Funny how when the Right loses not much happens, but then when the Left loses stuff is being destroyed and looted. (Not saying all our like that, just a generalization)

Personally, I want to see Trump succeed, I want him to be a good leader and only time will tell

I pray he doesn't get assassinated or somehow thrown out of office before he gets a chance to put some of his ideas into affect

(Unlike most people I want any President that is elected to succeed, no matter who or what party)

Anyway, just wanted to put these points out there Wink
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Post by Samson Sun Jan 22, 2017 1:15 am

But, but, those poor snowflakes

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Post by Guest Sun Jan 22, 2017 2:39 am

1) Agreed. #notmypresident isn't solving anything, nor does it make alot of sense...
2) True. I understand irritation at the popular candidate not getting office, but those are the rules. The bigger issue here is the tampering that (apparently) took place by (probably) Russian hackers - not directly changing the election but a misinformation campaign of that scale likely had some effect in people's decision on whether to vote and who to vote for. Of course, it's virtually impossible to know that this actually tipped the scale in Trump's favor.
3) Seems to be the case. Trump is a highly unusual candidate...
4) Also seems to be the case. I think this type of behavior simply reinforces support for Trump among those who voted for him, and damages the liberal cause.

I wish Trump success too - success in terms of making America better. Unfortunately, I strongly believe if he successfully carries out his "plans" America will be substantially worse off. I still see him as frighteningly inept, shallow thinking and histrionic and his cabinet seems that they will not have the best interests of the American people in mind.

Gotta give his administration a chance though. I've been wrong before Smile

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Post by exo Sun Jan 22, 2017 5:11 am

This whole "the Russians swayed the election" thing missed one stupidly important thing:  99% or more of Trump voters were NEVER going to vote for Hillary.  NEVER.

Media souces want to constantly try and delegitimization things with the "Russian hacking scandal"......but NOBDOY of national consequence has ACTUALLY gone to a large group of Trump voters from the areas he scored huge numbers and ASKED them if the leaks were a decide factor or if it was just reinforcement of a position the ALREADY held.  

It's become a situation where one can flat out TELL people why they voted Trump, and get told "you only thought that way because Russia hacked things", so great is the denial of the reality of the situation.........

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Post by ThomasEversole Sun Jan 22, 2017 7:33 am

Plus, people seem to overlook the fact that the Republicans were hacked too.
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Post by guilty/forgiven Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:26 am

I tend to avoid politics in threads, but I'd just like to say
Well Said Hardcore Christian !!

I firmly believe that most did not vote for Trump cuz he was so wonderful, no, rather, they simply DID NOT want to vote for Hillary. So here we are.
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Post by ThomasEversole Sun Jan 22, 2017 4:30 pm

....well, there are those that DO support Trump. (not just chose the lesser evil)

There's been some pretty big attacks documented on Trump supporters, and one assassination attempt on Trump.


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Post by Samson Sun Jan 22, 2017 6:04 pm

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Post by alldatndensum Mon Jan 23, 2017 4:14 am

If Madonna had made those statements while Obama was in office, she'd been arrested.  Just the fact that she can stand there and spew her hatred of a man and her nation's leader, though I though she'd moved to the UK, shows that Trump is a decent bloke who believes in the freedom of speech.  I don't believe that many of the militant liberals in today's political climate still do.
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Post by MikeInFla Mon Jan 23, 2017 7:59 am

While I didn't vote for Trump and I do not care for him, I have moved on. I got over it, no need to protest. I hope for the best just as with any election.
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Post by New Creation Mon Jan 23, 2017 8:09 am

MikeInFla wrote:While I didn't vote for Trump and I do not care for him, I have moved on. I got over it, no need to protest. I hope for the best just as with any election.

I'm in the same boat as you, and we're from opposite ends of the political spectrum.
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Post by d@v!d Tue Jan 24, 2017 7:22 am

Hardcore Christian wrote:I have had thoughts, that I decided wouldnt be the best to put on Facebook....

I dont wanna get too serious about politics here but I wanted a place I could speak my mind and not be mobbed for it

1. Trump is the President of The U.S. (Can't really change it)
2. Many people voted for him, its not like he was put to power like a dictator (like many protestors and people are acting like)
3. I didn't see huge riots when Obama was elected, people generally accepted he had been elected by the majority of our nation
4. Funny how when the Right loses not much happens, but then when the Left loses stuff is being destroyed and looted. (Not saying all our like that, just a generalization)

Personally, I want to see Trump succeed, I want him to be a good leader and only time will tell

I pray he doesn't get assassinated or somehow thrown out of office before he gets a chance to put some of his ideas into affect

(Unlike most people I want any President that is elected to succeed, no matter who or what party)

Anyway, just wanted to put these points out there Wink
What we are seeing here are the effects of the cultural and spiritual war we are in. Western freedoms are in the battle for their existence. Insomuch as the Christian consciousness continues to diminish and relativism continues to to grow, we will certainly see more and more chaos, outlandish illogical responses to civic issues, and fascistic behavior. When men removed God from their thoughts they lose the only basis for consistent reasons for the value of man and man's freedoms. They don't know their history.

The battle for us who know better is to shine for with the gospel. Not the gospel of prosperity that Trump represents, but the true gospel that bring men into right relationship with God.

I saw this video yesterday and it gave me some hope to see someone speak so many truths and speak rationally in the midst of the chaos.
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Post by Blake Tue Jan 24, 2017 8:50 am

As for the Russian hacking I believe that to be propaganda. The founder of McAfee stated recently that one of the most important things hackers learn how to do is cover their tracks, and redirect. The mere fact that the hacks were traced to Russia is a good indicator that Russia probably didn't do it. More so that someone else did it and wanted to blame Russia.

McAfee said that all signs point to the hack being carried out by an "unsophisticated hacker" and as he said probably a single kid from his bedroom was messing around with some tools he downloaded and was like "wow I got into the DNC, lets see what else I can do".

Being in IT Security myself I am inclined to agree, what he says does make sense
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Post by ThomasEversole Tue Jan 24, 2017 9:50 am

alldatndensum wrote:If Madonna had made those statements while Obama was in office, she'd been arrested.  Just the fact that she can stand there and spew her hatred of a man and her nation's leader, though I though she'd moved to the UK, shows that Trump is a decent bloke who believes in the freedom of speech.  I don't believe that many of the militant liberals in today's political climate still do.

I don't think what she said was so bad. She said she felt like blowing up the white house, but that's not her point. ...her point was we need to show love and work together.

No different than if some jaggoff murdered my mom. I'd tell him right in the courtroom I felt like cutting off his hands and feet before I cut of his head, but... I'd choose to show Christ's love for all sinners and let him go instead. No since in him taking more from me than he already had.
(that's a hypothetical example by the way - my mom is alive and well. LOL)
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Post by metaldude Tue Jan 24, 2017 10:46 am

ThomasEversole wrote:
 ...her point was we need to show love and work together.

Most of the hate is coming from those preaching love and cooperation.
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Post by deathisgain Tue Jan 24, 2017 3:04 pm

d@v!d wrote:
Hardcore Christian wrote:I have had thoughts, that I decided wouldnt be the best to put on Facebook....

I dont wanna get too serious about politics here but I wanted a place I could speak my mind and not be mobbed for it

1. Trump is the President of The U.S. (Can't really change it)
2. Many people voted for him, its not like he was put to power like a dictator (like many protestors and people are acting like)
3. I didn't see huge riots when Obama was elected, people generally accepted he had been elected by the majority of our nation
4. Funny how when the Right loses not much happens, but then when the Left loses stuff is being destroyed and looted. (Not saying all our like that, just a generalization)

Personally, I want to see Trump succeed, I want him to be a good leader and only time will tell

I pray he doesn't get assassinated or somehow thrown out of office before he gets a chance to put some of his ideas into affect

(Unlike most people I want any President that is elected to succeed, no matter who or what party)

Anyway, just wanted to put these points out there Wink
What we are seeing here are the effects of the cultural and spiritual war we are in. Western freedoms are in the battle for their existence. Insomuch as the Christian consciousness continues to diminish and relativism continues to to grow, we will certainly see more and more chaos, outlandish illogical responses to civic issues, and fascistic behavior. When men removed God from their thoughts they lose the only basis for consistent reasons for the value of man and man's freedoms. They don't know their history.

The battle for us who know better is to shine for with the gospel. Not the gospel of prosperity that Trump represents, but the true gospel that bring men into right relationship with God.

I saw this video yesterday and it gave me some hope to see someone speak so many truths and speak rationally in the midst of the chaos.
This guy has guts.
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Post by Blake Thu Jan 26, 2017 1:30 pm

I actually am hopeful that Trump's attitude will actually help our country. So far he has signed some EOs that caused controversy but I think POTENTIALLY his "I don't care who I offend" attitude could be what we need. I think catering to every single group that is offended and trying too hard to be "politically correct" can be a large hurdle for any sort of real progress to happen. Its possible that his attitude could be a good thing.

Not that I am endorsing him, just a thought and observation, that if with Trump we stop folding when a special interest group protests maybe, just maybe something good can happen.

Of course the exact opposite is possible too, but we will have to wait and see


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Post by d@v!d Fri Jan 27, 2017 5:11 am

Blake wrote:I actually am hopeful that Trump's attitude will actually help our country. So far he has signed some EOs that caused controversy but I think POTENTIALLY his "I don't care who I offend" attitude could be what we need. I think catering to every single group that is offended and trying too hard to be "politically correct" can be a large hurdle for any sort of real progress to happen. Its possible that his attitude could be a good thing.

Not that I am endorsing him, just a thought and observation, that if with Trump we stop folding when a special interest group protests maybe, just maybe something good can happen.

Of course the exact opposite is possible too, but we will have to wait and see
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Post by New Creation Fri Jan 27, 2017 6:40 am

As most of you know, I did not vote for Trump, and based on what I've seen to date, I still would not vote for him as he has not yet moved towards saving those precious babies in the womb. He can do this by recognizing their personhood and getting behind the nationwide personhood and abolitionist movements. Yes, he did shut down funding for international child murder, but he's done nothing locally yet.

I do disagree with the wall. The best way to control immigration is by opening the borders and then shutting down government welfare. By getting rid of the primary motivator of lazy people (free or low cost food, money, housing and education), he would then enable honest hardworking Mexicans and other southern friends to come here and help make their families, and this nation, great again.

HOWEVER

He has stunned me so far by keeping promises he has made. I thought he would welch on most of them. Some of the moves he's made have been IN YOUR FACE to liberals, socialists, communists, and the media. If he would move forward by shutting down the ED and the NEA, then I think that would be amazing.
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Post by ThomasEversole Sat Jan 28, 2017 1:57 pm

New Creation wrote:As most of you know, I did not vote for Trump, and based on what I've seen to date, I still would not vote for him as he has not yet moved towards saving those precious babies in the womb. He can do this by recognizing their personhood and getting behind the nationwide personhood and abolitionist movements. Yes, he did shut down funding for international child murder, but he's done nothing locally yet.

Give him time. He's only been in office a week. ...and that international law he signed is saving more lives than you think. Planned Parenthood was b.itching over all the clinics that will have to close because of that alone.
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Post by ThomasEversole Sat Jan 28, 2017 3:16 pm

I'd like to also mention, it is PROVEN that abolishing abortion does not lower abortion rates. Look at what happened in El Salvador. Actually, with back alley abortions (anywhere, not just that country), not only does the child die anyway, but so does 13% of the women who undergo the procedures.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2709326/

If your choice really is life, I think the best bet is being proactive with contraception, marketing adoption as a much safer and happier alternative, and making abortion procedures EXTREMELY inconvenient.
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Post by alldatndensum Sun Jan 29, 2017 5:38 am

I don't believe that Trump is trying to STOP abortions.  I believe he is simply wishing to switch the responsibility to those wanting the procedure instead of us all.  People who are vehemently against abortion should not be forced to pay for them.  While there might be, to some, a gray area when there is a rape involved, people that want to terminate a child during pregnancy knew what they were doing to create a life and should bear the sole responsibility of those actions.  Defunding PP will only SLOW the number of abortions as now people will have to find a way to pay themselves--as it should be.
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Post by Andreas89 Sun Jan 29, 2017 7:13 am

New Creation wrote:Yes, he did shut down funding for international child murder, but he's done nothing locally yet.
To my utter disgust, the Dutch government plans to take things over. One more reason for me not to go back to the Netherlands.
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Post by L8T Sun Jan 29, 2017 7:22 pm

I am enjoying this thread....I hope I add to it....

I work in Healthcare, and, since the election I have listened to "Chicken-Little" statements, comments and "truths"...every day.

(Sorry, if you don't know the Chicken-Little reference, well, "The Sky Is Falling" is the main theme)

Anywho....On Friday, before a meeting, peeps talking about weekend plans, and, a snowflake said "It's too cold to march".  It made my day.  I am still re-telling it and laughing about it.

Snowflakes Don't Like Snowflakes

Feel free to print T shirts and other Merch

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Post by ThomasEversole Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:16 pm

alldatndensum wrote:While there might be, to some, a gray area when there is a rape involved, people that want to terminate a child during pregnancy knew what they were doing to create a life and should bear the sole responsibility of those actions.

I don't think there's any gray area at all. The solution to a rape is not a murder.
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