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Kansas and Kerry Livgren projects
by Friday13th Wed May 15, 2024 8:19 am
I’ve been deep into the Kansas and Kerry Livgren rabbit hole since deciding I’m gonna see Kansas on this year’s tour. I had no idea there were that many great releases. I had not listened to anything post-1980, but there are plenty of hidden gems when you dig. And many of them have quite explicit Christian lyrics like Seeds of Change.
Everything by Proto-Kaw. The 1971-1973 archival recordings are unbelievably awesome. Kansas were NOT latecomers to 70s prog as is commonly held. They were no different than the Italian bands influenced by English prog and adding their own country flair.
Art of the State by AD is as good as any 80’s proggy AOR out there. Great Christian lyrics.
Somewhere to Elsewhere/Collector’s Sedition is just about the best “70s Kansas” next to the real thing.
What do you all think? What are your favorite 70’s Kansas albums? How about post 70’s Livgren project?
Everything by Proto-Kaw. The 1971-1973 archival recordings are unbelievably awesome. Kansas were NOT latecomers to 70s prog as is commonly held. They were no different than the Italian bands influenced by English prog and adding their own country flair.
Art of the State by AD is as good as any 80’s proggy AOR out there. Great Christian lyrics.
Somewhere to Elsewhere/Collector’s Sedition is just about the best “70s Kansas” next to the real thing.
What do you all think? What are your favorite 70’s Kansas albums? How about post 70’s Livgren project?
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Re: Kansas and Kerry Livgren projects
by Constantine Wed May 15, 2024 10:52 am
I remember liking "Art Of The State" from AD, and some songs from "Seeds of Change."
As far as Kansas goes, I like "Leftoverture" the best overall, but "Point Of No Return" would be a close second and my favorite song from them is actually "Play The Game Tonight."
I saw Kansas on August 28, 1979. Was surprised at how heavy they sounded live, they were more metal-sounding than any other classic rock band I saw back then, and way heavier than on the albums. This was the set list:
Setlist:
On the Other Side
People of the South Wind
Away From You
Point of Know Return
Closet Chronicles
The Wall
Dust in the Wind
Opus Insert
Angels Have Fallen
Reason to Be
Stay Out of Trouble
The Spider
Portrait (He Knew)
A Glimpse of Home
Encores:
How My Soul Cries Out for You
Carry On Wayward Son
As far as Kansas goes, I like "Leftoverture" the best overall, but "Point Of No Return" would be a close second and my favorite song from them is actually "Play The Game Tonight."
I saw Kansas on August 28, 1979. Was surprised at how heavy they sounded live, they were more metal-sounding than any other classic rock band I saw back then, and way heavier than on the albums. This was the set list:
Setlist:
On the Other Side
People of the South Wind
Away From You
Point of Know Return
Closet Chronicles
The Wall
Dust in the Wind
Opus Insert
Angels Have Fallen
Reason to Be
Stay Out of Trouble
The Spider
Portrait (He Knew)
A Glimpse of Home
Encores:
How My Soul Cries Out for You
Carry On Wayward Son
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Re: Kansas and Kerry Livgren projects
by Temple of Blood Wed May 15, 2024 11:48 am
I had an argument with Kerry online many years ago when he said thrash metal didn't take talent.
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Re: Kansas and Kerry Livgren projects
by Friday13th Wed May 15, 2024 2:26 pm
Temple of Blood wrote:I had an argument with Kerry online many years ago when he said thrash metal didn't take talent.
That’s hilarious. I’m not terribly surprised he doesn’t like thrash. He’s wrong but the quaint grampa kinda wrong.
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Re: Kansas and Kerry Livgren projects
by Temple of Blood Wed May 15, 2024 2:27 pm
Friday13th wrote:Temple of Blood wrote:I had an argument with Kerry online many years ago when he said thrash metal didn't take talent.
That’s hilarious. I’m not terribly surprised he doesn’t like thrash. He’s wrong but the quaint grampa kinda wrong.
I told him to play "Imperiled Eyes" on guitar and get back to me when he's done.
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Re: Kansas and Kerry Livgren projects
by Friday13th Wed May 15, 2024 2:28 pm
Constantine wrote:I remember liking "Art Of The State" from AD, and some songs from "Seeds of Change."
As far as Kansas goes, I like "Leftoverture" the best overall, but "Point Of No Return" would be a close second and my favorite song from them is actually "Play The Game Tonight."
I saw Kansas on August 28, 1979. Was surprised at how heavy they sounded live, they were more metal-sounding than any other classic rock band I saw back then, and way heavier than on the albums. This was the set list:
Setlist:
On the Other Side
People of the South Wind
Away From You
Point of Know Return
Closet Chronicles
The Wall
Dust in the Wind
Opus Insert
Angels Have Fallen
Reason to Be
Stay Out of Trouble
The Spider
Portrait (He Knew)
A Glimpse of Home
Encores:
How My Soul Cries Out for You
Carry On Wayward Son
Nice! Yeah, Kansas is way heavier and proggiwr than they’re often credited. Mangum Opus, anyone? Those riffs sizzle. Point of Know Return is not as heavy overall, but the violin playing is probably the best in their career.
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Re: Kansas and Kerry Livgren projects
by Friday13th Wed May 15, 2024 2:31 pm
Temple of Blood wrote:Friday13th wrote:Temple of Blood wrote:I had an argument with Kerry online many years ago when he said thrash metal didn't take talent.
That’s hilarious. I’m not terribly surprised he doesn’t like thrash. He’s wrong but the quaint grampa kinda wrong.
I told him to play "Imperiled Eyes" on guitar and get back to me when he's done.
Got him! Jeff Watters, Dave Mustaine, Piggy…no way any if that is easy nor uncreative.
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Re: Kansas and Kerry Livgren projects
by Sevenoneself Wed May 15, 2024 3:05 pm
Constantine wrote:.....my favorite song from them is actually "Play The Game Tonight."
Diddo. Love it!
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Re: Kansas and Kerry Livgren projects
by Ammocas Wed May 15, 2024 3:51 pm
One of my favorites also. I love the album Vinyl Confessions. I confess … I don’t have it on vinyl.Sevenoneself wrote:Constantine wrote:.....my favorite song from them is actually "Play The Game Tonight."
Diddo. Love it!
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Re: Kansas and Kerry Livgren projects
by BaleMaster Wed May 15, 2024 5:21 pm
Kerry's forgotten more about guitar playing than some others will ever know.Friday13th wrote:Temple of Blood wrote:Friday13th wrote:Temple of Blood wrote:I had an argument with Kerry online many years ago when he said thrash metal didn't take talent.
That’s hilarious. I’m not terribly surprised he doesn’t like thrash. He’s wrong but the quaint grampa kinda wrong.
I told him to play "Imperiled Eyes" on guitar and get back to me when he's done.
Got him! Jeff Watters, Dave Mustaine, Piggy…no way any if that is easy nor uncreative.
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Re: Kansas and Kerry Livgren projects
by BaleMaster Wed May 15, 2024 6:20 pm
Of course you did.Temple of Blood wrote:I had an argument with Kerry online many years ago when he said thrash metal didn't take talent.
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Re: Kansas and Kerry Livgren projects
by Friday13th Thu May 16, 2024 5:09 am
Ammocas wrote:One of my favorites also. I love the album Vinyl Confessions. I confess … I don’t have it on vinyl.Sevenoneself wrote:Constantine wrote:.....my favorite song from them is actually "Play The Game Tonight."
Diddo. Love it!
I confess that I just got it on vinyl!
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Re: Kansas and Kerry Livgren projects
by Temple of Blood Thu May 16, 2024 6:12 am
BaleMaster wrote:Of course you did.Temple of Blood wrote:I had an argument with Kerry online many years ago when he said thrash metal didn't take talent.
Are you saying that I shouldn't have said anything?
Your comment sounds more like a personal slight than anything else.
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Re: Kansas and Kerry Livgren projects
by BaleMaster Thu May 16, 2024 6:43 am
I'm sure Kerry trembled in his boots when you set him straight.
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Re: Kansas and Kerry Livgren projects
by Temple of Blood Thu May 16, 2024 7:03 am
BaleMaster wrote:I'm sure Kerry trembled in his boots when you set him straight.
How very Christian of you. Stay classy you Super Christian you. I'll try to emulate your sterling example.
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Re: Kansas and Kerry Livgren projects
by Constantine Thu May 16, 2024 8:11 am
I don't agree at all that playing thrash metal requires no talent. As a guitar player I'm often amazed at the speed at which thrash riffs are played, not to mention the technical runs. But that's just one man's opinion and we're always going to encounter people who disagree with us about something or other.
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by MagnusPrime Thu May 16, 2024 8:12 am
Constantine wrote:But that's just one man's opinion and we're always going to encounter people who disagree with us about something or other.
No we're not.
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Re: Kansas and Kerry Livgren projects
by Constantine Thu May 16, 2024 8:17 am
I find that some people especially can't relate to certain types of music. My cousin for example likes Kiss but when I tried to introduce him to more sophisticated hard rock like Kings X, he had zero interest. My dad liked jazz and classical and thought heavy metal was noise. A lot of people I encounter of my age group refuse to listen to any new bands, they just like the ones from their youth. Everyone has a bias.
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Re: Kansas and Kerry Livgren projects
by Temple of Blood Thu May 16, 2024 8:43 am
Constantine wrote:I don't agree at all that playing thrash metal requires no talent. As a guitar player I'm often amazed at the speed at which thrash riffs are played, not to mention the technical runs. But that's just one man's opinion and we're always going to encounter people who disagree with us about something or other.
Exactly.
I like Kerry and Kansas a lot, but he's not Jesus Christ. It is possible for him to be wrong about something on occasion.
He didn't get upset like Balemaster when I replied to him. He walked back his comments. It was clear to me that he really hadn't done much of a deep dive in the genre.
I don't think anyone is discounting KL's talent. Kansas and thrash metal are apples and oranges.
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by mothy Thu May 16, 2024 8:54 am
I wouldnt say apples and oranges but more like cars and picklesTemple of Blood wrote:Constantine wrote:I don't agree at all that playing thrash metal requires no talent. As a guitar player I'm often amazed at the speed at which thrash riffs are played, not to mention the technical runs. But that's just one man's opinion and we're always going to encounter people who disagree with us about something or other.
Exactly.
I like Kerry and Kansas a lot, but he's not Jesus Christ. It is possible for him to be wrong about something on occasion.
He didn't get upset like Balemaster when I replied to him. He walked back his comments. It was clear to me that he really hadn't done much of a deep dive in the genre.
I don't think anyone is discounting KL's talent. Kansas and thrash metal are apples and oranges.
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Re: Kansas and Kerry Livgren projects
by Pethead Thu May 16, 2024 8:56 am
mothy wrote:I wouldnt say apples and oranges but more like cars and picklesTemple of Blood wrote:Constantine wrote:I don't agree at all that playing thrash metal requires no talent. As a guitar player I'm often amazed at the speed at which thrash riffs are played, not to mention the technical runs. But that's just one man's opinion and we're always going to encounter people who disagree with us about something or other.
Exactly.
I like Kerry and Kansas a lot, but he's not Jesus Christ. It is possible for him to be wrong about something on occasion.
He didn't get upset like Balemaster when I replied to him. He walked back his comments. It was clear to me that he really hadn't done much of a deep dive in the genre.
I don't think anyone is discounting KL's talent. Kansas and thrash metal are apples and oranges.
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Re: Kansas and Kerry Livgren projects
by Pethead Thu May 16, 2024 11:20 am
It’s what I’m here for. That, and keeping Kerrick humble.
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Re: Kansas and Kerry Livgren projects
by Ammocas Thu May 16, 2024 11:34 am
Awesome…used or new? I gotta find a decent copy…maybe they will reissue someday.Friday13th wrote:Ammocas wrote:One of my favorites also. I love the album Vinyl Confessions. I confess … I don’t have it on vinyl.Sevenoneself wrote:Constantine wrote:.....my favorite song from them is actually "Play The Game Tonight."
Diddo. Love it!
I confess that I just got it on vinyl!
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Re: Kansas and Kerry Livgren projects
by BaleMaster Thu May 16, 2024 9:36 pm
Sorry for derailing this thread a bit , folks. Rockers like Kerry were instrumental in my return to Grace, and I overreacted a bit defending him.
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