Coronavirus - What is your local situation?

O.K., I told some folks here that I would give an update on my medical situation.  
So turns out I will be going in to the hospital for a (hopefully minor) procedure tomorrow.  
I'm not happy about it, but those are the cards I'm dealt.  I will also post a more detailed prayer request in that section, but if anyone feels lead to pray, I would sure appreciate it. 

It will be a change because lately all my dr. visits have been by video, so it will be interesting to see the new protocols they have in place to handle actual people...!

alldatndensum wrote:I have learned that if you don't believe everything that CNN and other lamestream media sources tell you and you share that on Facebook, you will have people try to tell you that you hate old people and want people to die.  They will also tell you to go out and live your life but be sure to refuse treatment when you get the virus.  Isn't that wishing someone dead, too?

Because of this, I have suspended my Facebook account.  I just can't people right now.

I've seen that all over, not just on facebook.  It's pitiful and absolutely sickening.  These people who do that are totally inconsistent [at best] with their "logic" but more frighteningly are just drinking the mainstream Kool-Aid without any thought and setting a terrible precedent that will likely yield some dire consequences.

One stark example of this mindset was locally.  I'm friends with the Sheriff of a neighboring county.  A few weeks ago he penned an open letter to our governor questioning the constitutionality of these stay-at-home orders and suggested they be voted on in a proper, legal fashion.  You wouldn't believe the backlash he received.  One prominent surgeon of the area responded with an open letter stating that he'd happily DENY medical care to the Sheriff or his team.  Unbelievable.  (You can read about that if you're interested here.)

Kerrick wrote:

alldatndensum wrote:I have learned that if you don't believe everything that CNN and other lamestream media sources tell you and you share that on Facebook, you will have people try to tell you that you hate old people and want people to die.  They will also tell you to go out and live your life but be sure to refuse treatment when you get the virus.  Isn't that wishing someone dead, too?

Because of this, I have suspended my Facebook account.  I just can't people right now.

I've seen that all over, not just on facebook.  It's pitiful and absolutely sickening.  These people who do that are totally inconsistent [at best] with their "logic" but more frighteningly are just drinking the mainstream Kool-Aid without any thought and setting a terrible precedent that will likely yield some dire consequences.

One stark example of this mindset was locally.  I'm friends with the Sheriff of a neighboring county.  A few weeks ago he penned an open letter to our governor questioning the constitutionality of these stay-at-home orders and suggested they be voted on in a proper, legal fashion.  You wouldn't believe the backlash he received.  One prominent surgeon of the area responded with an open letter stating that he'd happily DENY medical care to the Sheriff or his team.  Unbelievable.  (You can read about that if you're interested here.)

That is the response I got from a girl I went to school with.  She told me that I should go about my life but sign away any rights to treatment when I needed to go on the ventilator.  Isn't that just a polite way of saying that she hoped I died?  When I end my rest from Facebook, she goes on snooze for 30 days.  If I don't miss the interaction, then I will probably remove her.  I need to pare down my friends anyway as I just don't have time to keep up with everyone.

Eighty-nine counties here in Tennessee began reopening yesterday.  Restaurants are allowed in those counties to reopen dining areas but servers and cooks have to wear masks.  They can take your temperature when you come in.  They have to seat parties 6 feet apart and no more than 6 to a table.  They cannot leave anything like sugar or other sweeteners, ketchup, salt, or pepper on the tables.  They have to leave hand sanitizers on the tables. 

We went to our local Shoney's because we know the owner and wanted to support them.  There was one other couple in there.  Everyone is still afraid to come out unless it is to flock to Walmart and Lowe's, it seems.  I am not going to cower in fear.

Constantine wrote:O.K., I told some folks here that I would give an update on my medical situation.  
So turns out I will be going in to the hospital for a (hopefully minor) procedure tomorrow.  
I'm not happy about it, but those are the cards I'm dealt.  I will also post a more detailed prayer request in that section, but if anyone feels lead to pray, I would sure appreciate it. 

It will be a change because lately all my dr. visits have been by video, so it will be interesting to see the new protocols they have in place to handle actual people...!

You've got it.  All I ask for in return is the prayers of the board for a procedure I need to have done May 21...and down the road, later this year (Lord willing) an outpatient procedure pertinent to 5/21's action and the endoscopy/colonoscopy I had in April.

Kerrick wrote:

alldatndensum wrote:I have learned that if you don't believe everything that CNN and other lamestream media sources tell you and you share that on Facebook, you will have people try to tell you that you hate old people and want people to die.  They will also tell you to go out and live your life but be sure to refuse treatment when you get the virus.  Isn't that wishing someone dead, too?

Because of this, I have suspended my Facebook account.  I just can't people right now.

I've seen that all over, not just on facebook.  It's pitiful and absolutely sickening.  These people who do that are totally inconsistent [at best] with their "logic" but more frighteningly are just drinking the mainstream Kool-Aid without any thought and setting a terrible precedent that will likely yield some dire consequences.

One stark example of this mindset was locally.  I'm friends with the Sheriff of a neighboring county.  A few weeks ago he penned an open letter to our governor questioning the constitutionality of these stay-at-home orders and suggested they be voted on in a proper, legal fashion.  You wouldn't believe the backlash he received.  One prominent surgeon of the area responded with an open letter stating that he'd happily DENY medical care to the Sheriff or his team.  Unbelievable.  (You can read about that if you're interested here.)

That's an interesting forum.  I chimed in a couple of three times under my moniker Antisocial Antisocialist. 

Keeping you in prayer Constantine.

Thank you. Will provide a proper update later. I'm still groggy from the drugs they gave me and slept for hours afterward. Still feel loopy.

A Big Thank You to all who prayed for me for my procedure yesterday!  It went o.k. for the most part, I spent yesterday recovering by sleeping a lot.  I just wrote a more detailed update in the Prayers & Praise section which I won't repeat here since I'd like to get back to the original intent of the thread.

To add to our our topic, I was surprised that the hospital protocol wasn't bad at all.  When I walked in, a nurse took my temperature with a device across the forehead, and asked me if I was feeling sick, etc., and I said no to everything.  Then another nurse gave me a mask that they wanted me to use instead of my homemade one.  That was basically it.

On the urology floor, the staff made us keep our distance and everyone wore masks and gloves.  Otherwise there were very few people there and things went pretty smoothly.

Where the staff screwed up is letting me leave on my own.  It was mandatory per hospital policy that I be put in a cab or Uber for my safety since I was so doped up.  But I felt o.k. to leave and just left.  They never noticed.   (Sshhhh....don't tell!)

Have so much to say about the mainstream media, the lockdowns, the censorship of dissent on social media platforms, etc. but will leave things here for now.  Thanks again, and in closing I will also highlight BaleMaster's request above for prayer for his upcoming procedure in May.^

Some of my state is opening back up.  Except for the 6 hardest hit counties, restaurants are opening dining rooms.  Retail stores could open today, so I hit Hobby Lobby for some decorations for the bathroom at church I am painting and then a local guitar shop for some strings for the cigar box guitars I am building.  Hair salons, nail salons, and massage therapists can open next week.  Public pools are still closed as are tattoo parlors.  Bars still cannot have live music.  Everything is weird, though, with having to stay away from people and some places requiring masks to get in.

^That’s Brilliant Mike — Thanks for the laugh!

And of course, we cant forget the most important of the essential workers,,Professional Wrestlers!

In our state (Illinois) toward the end of April, the governor issued an extension of the stay at home order, and mandatory wearing of masks in public. Apparently a lawyer from the town where my parents went to church, is suing the governor, as this is unconstitutional or something.

Also in the news, apparently the governor's wife/family violates the stay at home orders. When reporters asked Gov Pritzker about this he said something akin to "I don't like it when politics gets personal, so I'm not even going to answer this question."

In other words, everyone is required to shelter in place, unless you're in the governor's circle, then you can just do whatever the 'eff you want.

So now our Mayor (DeBlassio) - who was caught on tape violating his own orders with his wife - tells us that the shutdown will last a minimum of several more months...!

????? You must be kidding!! This is completely unsustainable as it is!! We need a protest like in Michigan...

Meanwhile our Governor - the current media darling Cuomo - is now under fire after it was revealed that he signed orders to force nursing homes to take in covid positive patients. Over 50% of all the deaths in this state have been in nursing homes! And this is after he made a big show of saying we need to protect the elderly because they are the most vulnerable. SMH, and hoping that the lawsuits against him follow quickly from the families who lost their loved ones.

It's hard to not think these governors aren't really interested in our safety and it's more about pushing an agenda. Someone's going to snap and then it's Martial law.

ThomasEversole wrote:In our state (Illinois) toward the end of April, the governor issued an extension of the stay at home order, and mandatory wearing of masks in public.  Apparently a lawyer from the town where my parents went to church, is suing the governor, as this is unconstitutional or something.

Also in the news, apparently the governor's wife/family violates the stay at home orders.  When reporters asked Gov Pritzker about this he said something akin to "I don't like it when politics gets personal, so I'm not even going to answer this question."

In other words, everyone is required to shelter in place, unless you're in the governor's circle, then you can just do whatever the 'eff you want.

Oh man I hope they are successful in suing your governor and that doing so sets a good precedent.  There are a few folks from our area [north Idaho] suing our governor over the mandatory closing of churches.

Constantine wrote:So now our Mayor (DeBlassio) - who was caught on tape violating his own orders with his wife - tells us that the shutdown will last a minimum of several more months...!

?????  You must be kidding!!   This is completely unsustainable as it is!!   We need a protest like in Michigan...

Meanwhile our Governor - the current media darling Cuomo - is now under fire after it was revealed that he signed orders to force nursing homes to take in covid positive patients.  Over 50% of all the deaths in this state have been in nursing homes!  And this is after he made a big show of saying we need to protect the elderly because they are the most vulnerable.  SMH, and hoping that the lawsuits against him follow quickly from the families who lost their loved ones.

Unbelievable.  This all makes me so furious...

Black Rider wrote:It's hard to not think these governors aren't really interested in our safety and it's more about pushing an agenda. Someone's going to snap and then it's Martial law.

Yeah you'd have to do some serious convincing of me that they're indeed interested in our safety!  The more data that comes out just confirms that this whole thing is being blown completely out of proportion - and yet these governors are still continuing their ways...

Anyways, there's a petition you can sign [I just did] to make churches and such "essential".  Obviously, the whole "essential" thing is ridiculous to begin with, but at least this might help churches during the next virus/government-overreach.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/declare-churches-synagogues-and-houses-worship-essential-organizations-such-cases-national-emergency

^I signed the petition right away!
Looks like it has a long way to go to reach 100,000 though. But every little bit gets it closer....

It looks like most people in the US are only interested in blaming others (Trump, the WHO, China, the mainstream media, Governors, their neighbor...) instead of trying to stick together to overcome this virus and all the problems in the best possible way.
It needs patience and open-mindedness to draw the right conclusions from scientific data. But a lot of people just take the few "facts" which underpin their opinions and ignore everything else. The whole issue is VERY complex and there is no perfect masterplan: Whatever you do people will die or suffer and the social and economical consequences will be drastic. No matter if you go for a complete shutdown, herd immunity, flattening of the epidemic curve...
But nobody is interested in productive discussions - there is only hate.

I can see the same over here in Germany but on a MUCH smaller scale. There are heated discussions, very different opinions and some people talk like they know exactly what's going on and how wrong all other people are.
But the majority in this country has the awareness, that compromises are necessary and while there are a lot of different points of view most people seem to agree on the guideline the government provides. Germany is a federation too but the frictions between the federal government and the states are small.
Mistakes have been made and mistakes will be made. People discuss these things but it seems that most people know that it's impossible to go through this without making any mistakes. We see the restriction of basic rights and we see that a lot of measures have very bad effects on different groups of people. But the majority still trusts in the good will of the government. And it's great to see that there is only a minority of parties / politians who try to instrumentalize this situation and decisions by the government for their own political agendas (mostly right-winged nutjobs and conspiracy theorists ).

It looks like most people in the US are only interested in blaming others (Trump, the WHO, China, the mainstream media, Governors, their neighbor...) instead of trying to stick together to overcome this virus and all the problems in the best possible way.

True - this is nothing like after 9/11, when the country sort of pulled together in a unified way.  This crisis has been nothing short of contentious, nauseating, disgusting, and every other adjective you can think of.  The public figures especially treat each other with contempt and derision and there has been little in the way of unity or a sense of everyone being in this together.

Tobi Elektrik wrote: But the majority still trusts in the good will of the government. And it's great to see that there is only a minority of parties / politians who try to instrumentalize this situation and decisions by the government for their own political agendas (mostly right-winged nutjobs and conspiracy theorists ).

Well here it has been the opposite - it is the Left who have been taking advantage of the situation at every possible opportunity to both advance their own agenda as well as pummel their opponent(s).  And they also view half of the American voters as their opponents.

Constantine wrote:

Tobi Elektrik wrote: But the majority still trusts in the good will of the government. And it's great to see that there is only a minority of parties / politians who try to instrumentalize this situation and decisions by the government for their own political agendas (mostly right-winged nutjobs and conspiracy theorists ).

Well here it has been the opposite - it is the Left who have been taking advantage of the situation at every possible opportunity to both advance their own agenda as well as pummel their opponent(s).  And they also view half of the American voters as their opponents.

Yup, that's been my observation as well.

Tobi Elektrik wrote:It looks like most people in the US are only interested in blaming others (Trump, the WHO, China, the mainstream media, Governors, their neighbor...) instead of trying to stick together to overcome this virus and all the problems in the best possible way.
It needs patience and open-mindedness to draw the right conclusions from scientific data. But a lot of people just take the few "facts" which underpin their opinions and ignore everything else. The whole issue is VERY complex and there is no perfect masterplan: Whatever you do people will die or suffer and the social and economical consequences will be drastic. No matter if you go for a complete shutdown, herd immunity, flattening of the epidemic curve...
But nobody is interested in productive discussions - there is only hate.

I can see the same over here in Germany but on a MUCH smaller scale. There are heated discussions, very different opinions and some people talk like they know exactly what's going on and how wrong all other people are.
But the majority in this country has the awareness, that compromises are necessary and while there are a lot of different points of view most people seem to agree on the guideline the government provides. Germany is a federation too but the frictions between the federal government and the states are small.
Mistakes have been made and mistakes will be made. People discuss these things but it seems that most people know that it's impossible to go through this without making any mistakes. We see the restriction of basic rights and we see that a lot of measures have very bad effects on different groups of people. But the majority still trusts in the good will of the government. And it's great to see that there is only a minority of parties / politians who try to instrumentalize this situation and decisions by the government for their own political agendas (mostly right-winged nutjobs and conspiracy theorists ).

Yes you have summed up my observations as well, it is very similar here in Australia as well with all our states working together and doing well to tackle this health crisis, though I fear we have yet to count the true future health repercussions with an increase in depression, domestic violence and alcohol dependency.

Watching how this disease is decimating a local nursing home gives me perspective that this is not a virus to be taken lightly. Our concern for the vulnerable in our countries is a good reflection of what matters.

The US is different than a lot of other 1st world countries as they do not have free public health and government payments to those who have lost jobs. The economic downturn is having a much greater effect.

Kerrick wrote:

alldatndensum wrote:I have learned that if you don't believe everything that CNN and other lamestream media sources tell you and you share that on Facebook, you will have people try to tell you that you hate old people and want people to die.  They will also tell you to go out and live your life but be sure to refuse treatment when you get the virus.  Isn't that wishing someone dead, too?

Because of this, I have suspended my Facebook account.  I just can't people right now.

I've seen that all over, not just on facebook.  It's pitiful and absolutely sickening.  These people who do that are totally inconsistent [at best] with their "logic" but more frighteningly are just drinking the mainstream Kool-Aid without any thought and setting a terrible precedent that will likely yield some dire consequences.

Agreed completely.  The logic seems forced.  Like this ABC news article.
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/coronavirus-paradox-lowest-point-finest-hour-opinion/story?id=69602027

"The paradox of the novel coronavirus response is that it only works if we take aggressive steps before they seem necessary and, if they work, will not have seemed necessary. Success will look like we overreacted."

Why, with that same reasoning, I could plead the case for hanging up pictures in the home with a sledge hammer.  After all, it would only work if we take these aggressive steps, and we'll know that it is working if it seems like an unnecessary overreaction.

alldatndensum wrote:I have learned that if you don't believe everything that CNN and other lamestream media sources tell you and you share that on Facebook, you will have people try to tell you that you hate old people and want people to die.  They will also tell you to go out and live your life but be sure to refuse treatment when you get the virus.  Isn't that wishing someone dead, too?

Because of this, I have suspended my Facebook account.  I just can't people right now.

I am seeing more and more how guilt is being used to shut down any rational discussion or objection to being held in lock-down mode.   This is not a way to frame a constructive, rational discussion and ends up being nothing more than emotional blackmail.

A guy interviewed on Blue Collar Logic's You Tube channel summed it up best.   He said "There are some really thirsty people out there that are enjoying telling others what to do because they feel empowered right now."

Erasmus, the U.S. is giving unemployment to those who lost jobs, often at more then they were making. Problem with that is, when the government prints money at this rate it devalues it, were on tenuous ground here.

....had to create a new login cuz I dont remember the old one....

Anyway, I've really been disgusted with both Democrats and Republicans over this whole thing. Neither side wants to work together or help people. They just want to keep or get power for their political party and it's just sad. I live on the PA/ NY border and the other day went into PA were a mask is currently mandated. I was verbally assaulted because he thought I disapproved that he wasn't wearing a mask. I wasn't even looking at him, but whatever. The protest in Michigan was a scary joke - armed individuals screaming at police does not strike me as any peaceful protest. A relative of my wife posted on Facebook that social distancing equals communism. Do people realize that this has been done for centuries and has been proven to work? I get why the Christian community is Republican - for the most part it's the pro life stance, but I'm at the point where that isn't enough for me. I'm sick and tired of hearing arguments about how one party is so bad when the other party is just as bad! Were still on lockdown in my area, but you really wouldn't know it and people are complain like the world has ended cuz they cant go out and get a hair cut. I know a guy in my town whose father lived in Russia under communist rule for most of his life and him until he was about 25.. He heard people saying this was like communism and he just broke down into tears. People have no idea what communism or fascism really was...