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Post by New Creation on Thu Jan 12, 2017 6:45 pm

What is going on here?

I used to own this album back in 91 through 94. Haven't listened to it since then.

Holy cow this is a terrible album. It truly is a joke. I think maybe I only listened to it then because it was metal man!!!

The production is poor and muted and the song writing and the playing seem flat and uninspired.

It's almost as if they didn't want to make this album but were forced to by the label. Perhaps that is why during the intro they say "the label needs us to make another record" or something like that. I always thought that was just guys talking but maybe it's what they truly felt. With the amount of short silly songs, it really makes me wonder where their hearts were.

Perhaps someone who knows the history on this album can confirm or deny my observations.
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Re: Deliverance - What a Joke

Post by metaldude on Thu Jan 12, 2017 7:14 pm

I seem to recall someone saying Jimmy considered it to be a joke. I was surprised to hear that because, to be honest, I love it. It was hard and heavy, front to back. I agree about the production but it's still my favorite Deliverance album.
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Re: Deliverance - What a Joke

Post by Hardcore Christian on Thu Jan 12, 2017 8:30 pm

The story is supposedly, they were trying to get fired off of Intense and decided the best way to do it would be put out an album that was a joke. But they stayed on Intense for another album anyway

I honestly love this album as well, sure the joke songs are filler, but enjoyable

IMO it has some killer songs,










And some killer covers



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Re: Deliverance - What a Joke

Post by d@v!d on Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:16 pm

Adding to the irony of the title was the blow up on the CMR a few years ago when the album was reissued with this cover and JPB2 left a flaming rant about it on the forum and made a lot of the members to quit metal and turn to smooth jazz.
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Re: Deliverance - What a Joke

Post by deathisgain on Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:27 pm

If you look at the "real" songs on there, I think they are some of the fastest and tightest ones from that era of their catalog.
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Re: Deliverance - What a Joke

Post by Black Rider on Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:38 pm

deathisgain said: wrote:If you look at the "real" songs on there, I think they are some of the fastest and tightest ones from that era of their catalog.

This.
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Post by FreeRangeBeliever on Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:56 pm

I don't think it's a terrible album at all...some killer songs on here such as Pseudo Intellectual, A Product of Society, Prophet of Idiocy.....love the raw speed of this album....
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Re: Deliverance - What a Joke

Post by bodachi on Thu Jan 12, 2017 9:59 pm

New Creation wrote:...Holy cow this is a terrible album...
I wholeheartedly agree.  The only songs I can stomach* from the album are Chipped Beef, Purgatory Sandwich With Mustard, Silent Night, and the Attack rerecording.  I'm the only one I know who liked "Stay of Execution" better than "What a Joke!".

*pun inententional
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Re: Deliverance - What a Joke

Post by bodachi on Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:02 pm

d@v!d wrote:Adding to the irony of the title was the blow up on the CMR a few years ago when the album was reissued with this cover and JPB2 left a flaming rant about it on the forum and made a lot of the members to quit metal and turn to smooth jazz.
That explains my newfound fascination with jazz..I had no idea the stupid album cover was responsible, I thought I just got old.  Still prefer God-honoring metal to all other genres, however.
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Re: Deliverance - What a Joke

Post by eatbugs on Thu Jan 12, 2017 10:04 pm

Hardcore Christian's post is the story I heard too.


On the old Deliverance website (was this taken down?!?) Jimmy himself said that if you took out the filler it made a great EP.  That's pretty much how I feel, and Bodachi, I too prefer Stay of Execution.


Have you heard the re-recorded What a Joke song?  The production is much better and it doesn't have the spoken-word part.

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Re: Deliverance - What a Joke

Post by Pershing1134 on Fri Jan 13, 2017 1:57 am

eatbugs wrote:Hardcore Christian's post is the story I heard too.


On the old Deliverance website (was this taken down?!?) Jimmy himself said that if you took out the filler it made a great EP.  That's pretty much how I feel, and Bodachi, I too prefer Stay of Execution.


Have you heard the re-recorded What a Joke song?  The production is much better and it doesn't have the spoken-word part.
 When was "What A Joke" re-recorded?
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Re: Deliverance - What a Joke

Post by MikeInFla on Fri Jan 13, 2017 7:03 am

Pershing1134 wrote:
eatbugs wrote:Hardcore Christian's post is the story I heard too.


On the old Deliverance website (was this taken down?!?) Jimmy himself said that if you took out the filler it made a great EP.  That's pretty much how I feel, and Bodachi, I too prefer Stay of Execution.


Have you heard the re-recorded What a Joke song?  The production is much better and it doesn't have the spoken-word part.
 When was "What A Joke" re-recorded?
It was on the "Stay" remaster that came out last year. I tried to find it but it seems to be sold out. It was a limited run "never to be pressed again" kind of thing. Ah - just found it on CDBaby and it does have a sound clip.

http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/deliverance23
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Re: Deliverance - What a Joke

Post by Hardcore Christian on Fri Jan 13, 2017 4:58 pm

MikeInFla wrote:It was on the "Stay" remaster that came out last year. I tried to find it but it seems to be sold out. It was a limited run "never to be pressed again" kind of thing. Ah - just found it on CDBaby and it does have a sound clip.

http://www.cdbaby.com/cd/deliverance23
Wow that sounds amazing!

We need to hear What A Joke entirely re-recorded minus the joke songs, throw in a couple new ones and you would have thrash masterpiece
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Re: Deliverance - What a Joke

Post by lhversaw on Fri Jan 13, 2017 5:20 pm

New Creation wrote:What is going on here?

I used to own this album back in 91 through 94. Haven't listened to it since then.

Holy cow this is a terrible album. It truly is a joke. I think maybe I only listened to it then because it was metal man!!!

The production is poor and muted and the song writing and the playing seem flat and uninspired.

It's almost as if they didn't want to make this album but were forced to by the label. Perhaps that is why during the intro they say "the label needs us to make another record" or something like that. I always thought that was just guys talking but maybe it's what they truly felt. With the amount of short silly songs, it really makes me wonder where their hearts were.

Perhaps someone who knows the history on this album can confirm or deny my observations.
I interviewed Jimmy on ROXXcast and he told me there as well as He has said it in other interviews that YES they were TRYING to get kicked off of the label.  There are SOME REAL songs on the album and they are very good for example Silent Night.  But for the most part the whole album was a JOKE album to try to get kicked off of the label.
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Re: Deliverance - What a Joke

Post by crucifyd on Fri Jan 13, 2017 6:21 pm

huh... I hate that version of Silent Night   skip button every time...

am I the only one?
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Post by stevegarveyfan on Fri Jan 13, 2017 9:41 pm

crucifyd wrote:huh... I hate that version of Silent Night   skip button every time...

am I the only one?
No.  I also can barely listen to it these days.  It was an awesome novelty when it was released, but in the intervening years, I have grown to, well, "loathe' might not be quite accurate, but I have developed a distaste for it.
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Re: Deliverance - What a Joke

Post by cailen on Sat Jan 14, 2017 12:48 pm

Many important and true things said here, want to add that

 if you leave the short songs, jokes and covers it is one of the most important thrash albums
   in metal history!

If you have an EP with the following songs:

    1. Prophet of idiocy
    2. Pseudo intellectual
    3. What a joke
    4. A product of society

you get the finest in songwriting and
most perfect played thrash riffs, songs and beats in metal history.
And I listen to a lot of secular stuff also.

If you are a guitar player:
Try to play the rhythm guitars this fast heavy and exactly as they are on that album
and you will know what I mean.
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Post by crucifyd on Sat Jan 14, 2017 3:06 pm

I think the album What A Joke kills...

most records that I love, I didn't love on first listen, I rarely even like a record the first time I hear it. for example, I couldn't stand Stop The Bleeding the first time I heard it. now it is top 10 all time, but I loved WAJ from the first note strike back in 1991 (with the exception of Silent Night)


also, I had forgotten about the re-recorded song What A Joke so I went and listened to it and...I think it's blah, the vocal are just awkward, doesn't have the same snare snap and I don't think it sounds as heavy. much prefer the original.
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Re: Deliverance - What a Joke

Post by strangerhoncho on Sun Jan 15, 2017 12:50 am

I love the whole album except for Silent Night.  Even the novelty tracks (Chipped Beef is a favorite riff), which help to break up the album.  Normally I get worn out or bored from a whole album of thrash, and they really help with that.  I much prefer humorous but heavy vs. an acoustic song or ballad that other bands used at the time, which broke up albums in a bad way.

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Re: Deliverance - What a Joke

Post by New Creation on Sun Jan 15, 2017 8:23 am

Thanks guys. Wow, what a thread, I really awoke something here.

Like I said, I loved this album years ago, but didn't enjoy it on my recent listen.

I will take some suggestions here and not listen to the production, but the songs themselves. I'll also skip past all joke songs and try just the actual trash songs with a message, and see if I enjoy it more.
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Re: Deliverance - What a Joke

Post by Follower of Jesus on Sun Jan 15, 2017 9:20 pm

I enjoy this album. Not my favorite D album, but still a good listen. Love the title track, It's The Beat, and Chipped Beef.
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Re: Deliverance - What a Joke

Post by ludey7 on Sun Jan 15, 2017 11:43 pm

WaJ is by far my least fave D record - I think it's their least inspired album.  Afte Forever is an ok cover and it does have a few moments but to me the songs are just not memorable.  Coming off of their S/t & Weapons I suppose most albums might not meet expectations... but it was dull.  I do love the direction Jimmy took the band after WaJ - Stay of Execution, Learn, River Disturbance, Camelot - just great stuff imo.

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Post by Thiago-Brazil on Tue Jan 17, 2017 11:18 am

I Really love What a Joke album. (BTW, it's a kind of love or hate album).
Despite the jokes, explained by the fact that they wanted to get fired from the label (and from what I could gather, there were also a verbal agreement with another label), there are killer songs in it.

I also think that we could do more than an simple EP of this album.

I see that there are some likes and dislikes to one or another song, so here are the tracklist I wish the album could have to make it near-perfect:

Prophet of Idiocy (3:25)
Pseudo Intellectual (7:15)
What A Joke (6:20)
Chipped Beef (2:02)
It's The Beat (1:56)
A Product of Society (4:42)
J.I.G (2:09)
Purgatory Sandwich with Mustard (2:58)
Attack (3:38)


9 Tracks, we could get an awesome LP from the good songs. But what I really hate in this album is the Black Sabath cover. It doesn't fit in a thrash metal album.
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Post by Hardcore Christian on Tue Jan 17, 2017 10:30 pm

Thiago-Brazil wrote:I Really love What a Joke album. (BTW, it's a kind of love or hate album).
Despite the jokes, explained by the fact that they wanted to get fired from the label (and from what I could gather, there were also a verbal agreement with another label), there are killer songs in it.

I also think that we could do more than an simple EP of this album.

I see that there are some likes and dislikes to one or another song, so here are the tracklist I wish the album could have to make it near-perfect:

Prophet of Idiocy (3:25)
Pseudo Intellectual (7:15)
What A Joke (6:20)
Chipped Beef (2:02)
It's The Beat (1:56)
A Product of Society (4:42)
J.I.G (2:09)
Purgatory Sandwich with Mustard (2:58)
Attack (3:38)


9 Tracks, we could get an awesome LP from the good songs. But what I really hate in this album is the Black Sabath cover. It doesn't fit in a thrash metal album.
See I would do 10 songs, just add back in the Sabbath cover Smile
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Post by strangerhoncho on Wed Jan 18, 2017 1:21 am

I love the After Forever cover!  Especially how they threw in the riff from Symptom of the Universe, arguably the first thrash riff ever.  The cover actually introduced me to Black Sabbath who became one of my all-time faves....

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Post by pathogenics_cloned_twin83 on Thu Jan 19, 2017 5:24 am

It's got alot of good songs on it...but alot of silly stuff and bored song writing. I had heard the rumors that it was made intentionally to be a joke, glad to have that confirmed. Makes it more fun to listen to now actually.
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Post by MikeInFla on Thu Jan 19, 2017 7:44 am

I liked it quite a bit at first and found the short tracks amusing. I normally don't skip them, I just let the CD play. My first exposure to this was the McD cover so every time I listen to it I get the urge to go to a drive thru.

Nice review here:

http://www.angelicwarlord.com/reviews/d/deliverance11.html
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Post by jimmypbrownii on Mon Jan 30, 2017 2:40 pm

LOL...

Still, after all these years talking about WAJ... 

Well, everyone here has it right... Take away the dorky songs, you have a brutal EP... 

Thanks for the nod to the riffing Cailin... That was some of my toughest rhythm playing to date!!! I was trying to out do myself so no one could play those riffs... There had been a lot of infighting with George because he wanted to play rhythms on the Weapons album on some of the songs. And, I was extremely unhappy with the rhythms not matching up on the 2-3 songs George played the right side of Weapons... So, I thought to myself "I will write rhythms that he or anyone else can't play"... LOL... I was in my early 20's, whatya gonna do??? LOL...

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Post by New Creation on Mon Jan 30, 2017 2:59 pm

jimmypbrownii wrote:LOL...

Still, after all these years talking about WAJ... 

Well, everyone here has it right... Take away the dorky songs, you have a brutal EP... 

Thanks for the nod to the riffing Cailin... That was some of my toughest rhythm playing to date!!! I was trying to out do myself so no one could play those riffs... There had been a lot of infighting with George because he wanted to play rhythms on the Weapons album on some of the songs. And, I was extremely unhappy with the rhythms not matching up on the 2-3 songs George played the right side of Weapons... So, I thought to myself "I will write rhythms that he or anyone else can't play"... LOL... I was in my early 20's, whatya gonna do??? LOL...

JPBII

As the OP of this thread, I want to say welcome to the forums Jimmy!!!

I stand by the OP, I do think it's a terrible album (though I used to love it a lot when I was a teen), but man have you all put out some killer stuff before and since! My favorite of the latter years has been As Above - So Below.


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Post by jimmypbrownii on Tue Jan 31, 2017 11:03 am

Thanks New Creation for the welcome and being the OP of this thread...

WAJ if condensed would be a killer EP, had it been produced properly and a little more time put into it... 

There was a lot of infighting at the time, and it just went down the wrong path in my opinion... It could've been a lot better, and a proper follow up to Weapons...

Oh well, unless someone has a time machine DeLorean, can't fix that one... LOL...

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Post by crucifyd on Tue Jan 31, 2017 1:21 pm

oh no, don't "fix" it... I like it just the way it is (ahem...except silent night, sorry)...

the lack of production / raw nature of Human Sacrifice is part of what makes it my favorite record ever...AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!
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Post by Hardcore Christian on Tue Jan 31, 2017 8:57 pm

jimmypbrownii wrote:Thanks New Creation for the welcome and being the OP of this thread...

WAJ if condensed would be a killer EP, had it been produced properly and a little more time put into it... 

There was a lot of infighting at the time, and it just went down the wrong path in my opinion... It could've been a lot better, and a proper follow up to Weapons...

Oh well, unless someone has a time machine DeLorean, can't fix that one... LOL...

JPBII
Having not been around when it came out, I have to admit I think its the perfect follow up to Weapons, and I personally love every bit of it Cool
crucifyd wrote:oh no, don't "fix" it... I like it just the way it is (ahem...except silent night, sorry)...

the lack of production / raw nature of Human Sacrifice is part of what makes it my favorite record ever...AAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!!
Exactly, the production lacking, partly makes the album what it is. Sure I would enjoy hearing some beefier modern production on my favorite tracks but both albums wouldnt be the same without the way they ended up sounding
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Post by mr.electric40 on Wed Feb 01, 2017 2:20 am

Not one of Deliverance's finest moments but not terrible either... This isnt Torn Flesh...  There is some great stuff here...

JIG
ATTACK
Prophet

plus several others... heck not everyone can hit a home run everytime...
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Post by Pershing1134 on Wed Feb 01, 2017 2:24 am

I love this album, it's a regular spin for me.
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