Songs that are too long?

View previous topic View next topic Go down

Songs that are too long?

Post by WildWorld on Tue Jun 21, 2016 1:19 pm

Are there any songs you've heard that simply go on way too long? I dont mind long songs myself, but i do mind when they simply stretch out time with endless instrumental passages instead of actual singing (even though it's not long at all, Megadeth's Hangar 18 is definitely guilty of this).

WildWorld
Holy Unblack Knight
Holy Unblack Knight

Posts : 1359
Join date : 2012-02-04

Back to top Go down

Re: Songs that are too long?

Post by alldatndensum on Tue Jun 21, 2016 10:59 pm

For the most part, anything beyond five minutes is too long.  OK, MAYBE six minutes.  After that, I get bored and either tune it out as noise or skip to the next song. 

I have a self-diagnosed disease known as Musical A.D.D.
avatar
alldatndensum
Mullet Wig King

Posts : 4363
Join date : 2012-02-06
Age : 48
Location : Tennessee

http://www.christianhardmusic.com

Back to top Go down

Re: Songs that are too long?

Post by WildWorld on Tue Jun 21, 2016 11:51 pm

And of course, who can forget "na na na na na na na na na na na hey jude". I dont know how long that part goes on for, but it kills the song for me.

WildWorld
Holy Unblack Knight
Holy Unblack Knight

Posts : 1359
Join date : 2012-02-04

Back to top Go down

Re: Songs that are too long?

Post by eatbugs on Wed Jun 22, 2016 1:32 am

The one that jumps to mind is Saviour Machine - The Stand.  It's good but too repetitive.  As an 8-9 minute song it would be great, as a 15 minute song it loses me.

I don't have much Neal Morse but he has a few (good) long ones that could be just as good as 3 or 4 shorter tracks (think the Sola Scriptura album).  Fine songs when I am able to listen to the entire thing but if I'm interrupted 2/3 of the way though it's a long way back to replay the whole song.

I'm sure there are others I can't think of right now...

eatbugs
Holy Unblack Knight
Holy Unblack Knight

Posts : 1216
Join date : 2012-08-28
Location : Michigan

Back to top Go down

Re: Songs that are too long?

Post by New Creation on Wed Jun 22, 2016 10:14 am

Two songs that I don't mind the length are:

1. The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald by Gordon Lightfoot. It can go 6:20 to nearly 7 minutes depending on the version you listen to.
2. American Pie by Don Maclean. Again, depending on the version, anywhere from about 8:30 to 9 minutes long.
avatar
New Creation
Metal Warrior
Metal Warrior

Posts : 958
Join date : 2016-04-19
Age : 43
Location : On top of the heavens

Back to top Go down

Re: Songs that are too long?

Post by eatbugs on Wed Jun 22, 2016 1:41 pm

New Creation wrote:Two songs that I don't mind the length are:

1. The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald by Gordon Lightfoot. It can go 6:20 to nearly 7 minutes depending on the version you listen to.
2. American Pie by Don Maclean. Again, depending on the version, anywhere from about 8:30 to 9 minutes long.

Agreed.

On that positive note my favorite song is Theocracy - I AM at 9+ minutes.

eatbugs
Holy Unblack Knight
Holy Unblack Knight

Posts : 1216
Join date : 2012-08-28
Location : Michigan

Back to top Go down

Re: Songs that are too long?

Post by WildWorld on Thu Jun 23, 2016 2:05 am

eatbugs wrote:
New Creation wrote:Two songs that I don't mind the length are:

1. The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald by Gordon Lightfoot. It can go 6:20 to nearly 7 minutes depending on the version you listen to.
2. American Pie by Don Maclean. Again, depending on the version, anywhere from about 8:30 to 9 minutes long.

Agreed.

On that positive note my favorite song is Theocracy - I AM at 9+ minutes.
Same here. Some other long songs i actually do like are:
Bon Jovi-Dry County
Guns N Roses-Estranged
Iron Maiden-Empire of the Clouds
and if it counts as a song, Alice's Restaurant Very Happy

WildWorld
Holy Unblack Knight
Holy Unblack Knight

Posts : 1359
Join date : 2012-02-04

Back to top Go down

Re: Songs that are too long?

Post by Soldier777 on Thu Jun 23, 2016 3:01 pm

Much of Dream Theater's songs are too long.
avatar
Soldier777
Holy Unblack Knight
Holy Unblack Knight

Posts : 1242
Join date : 2012-02-04

Back to top Go down

Re: Songs that are too long?

Post by New Creation on Thu Jun 23, 2016 4:21 pm

Oh, I totally forgot about November Rain by Guns n Roses. I love that song and it clocks in at over 9 minutes.

Also a favorite is Ozzy's "No More Tears" at 6 minutes.
avatar
New Creation
Metal Warrior
Metal Warrior

Posts : 958
Join date : 2016-04-19
Age : 43
Location : On top of the heavens

Back to top Go down

Re: Songs that are too long?

Post by deathisgain on Thu Jun 23, 2016 7:47 pm

A lot of songs that I listen to, tend to be longer, so I don't mind it. But I notice that they tend to have a lot of changes in them, which helps. My longest song is "The Door" by Neal Morse, off of his "Sola Scriptura" album at 29:14. After that it is a couple of Led Zeppelin live jams and Theocracy's "Mirror of Souls"

My own song "The Witch" clocks in at almost 9 minutes, and I think it gets too repetitive. Wink
avatar
deathisgain
Metal Slacker

Posts : 2152
Join date : 2012-02-01
Age : 47

http://www.deathisgain.com

Back to top Go down

Re: Songs that are too long?

Post by Friday13th on Fri Jun 24, 2016 1:35 am

The longest song on my ipod is "A Passion Play" by Jethro Tull. 
44:58   Twisted Evil 
It's the whole album. Ian Anderson definitely could have shaved  the "Hare Who Lost His Spectacles" part, so I won't deny it's too long. 

My favorite songs "I Am" and "Starless" are in the 10-15 min range. I also ironically love 2 min songs.

So let me get this straight. You guys watch a two hour movie without batting an eye and then complain if a song reaches the six minute mark?  Neutral Music enthusiasts, huh?
avatar
Friday13th
Metal Warrior
Metal Warrior

Posts : 644
Join date : 2013-11-19

Back to top Go down

Re: Songs that are too long?

Post by WildWorld on Fri Jun 24, 2016 9:31 am

Friday13th wrote:The longest song on my ipod is "A Passion Play" by Jethro Tull. 
44:58   Twisted Evil 
It's the whole album. Ian Anderson definitely could have shaved  the "Hare Who Lost His Spectacles" part, so I won't deny it's too long. 

My favorite songs "I Am" and "Starless" are in the 10-15 min range. I also ironically love 2 min songs.

So let me get this straight. You guys watch a two hour movie without batting an eye and then complain if a song reaches the six minute mark?  Neutral Music enthusiasts, huh?
With a 2 hour movie there are visuals, dialogue, and things happening constantly. With long songs, there are times when there is nothing but instrumental passages, which can get boring (especially if you like to sing along to songs).

WildWorld
Holy Unblack Knight
Holy Unblack Knight

Posts : 1359
Join date : 2012-02-04

Back to top Go down

Re: Songs that are too long?

Post by d@v!d on Fri Jun 24, 2016 9:34 am

Ramones - Beat on the brat. Wink
avatar
d@v!d
Holy Unblack Knight
Holy Unblack Knight

Posts : 3510
Join date : 2012-02-02
Location : Visiting

Back to top Go down

Re: Songs that are too long?

Post by d@v!d on Fri Jun 24, 2016 9:34 am

Friday13th wrote:So let me get this straight. You guys watch a two hour movie without batting an eye and then complain if a song reaches the six minute mark?  Neutral Music enthusiasts, huh?
No kidding, huh?
avatar
d@v!d
Holy Unblack Knight
Holy Unblack Knight

Posts : 3510
Join date : 2012-02-02
Location : Visiting

Back to top Go down

Re: Songs that are too long?

Post by exo on Fri Jun 24, 2016 4:14 pm

No such thing as "too long", IF the music is well written with proper flow and changes to keep you hooked.   Is there really any difference between a "long song" and a piece that is multiple tracks, but flows together smoothly?  

 If a song is "too long", it's just not a well written piece.

_________________
“But I don’t want to go among mad people," Alice remarked.
"Oh, you can’t help that," said the Cat: "we’re all mad here. I’m mad. You’re mad."
"How do you know I’m mad?" said Alice.
"You must be," said the Cat, or you wouldn’t have come here."


"Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid."
avatar
exo
Wielder of the BanHammer
Wielder of the BanHammer

Posts : 1234
Join date : 2012-02-02
Age : 42

Back to top Go down

Re: Songs that are too long?

Post by messiaen77 on Thu Jul 07, 2016 1:59 pm

exo wrote:No such thing as "too long", IF the music is well written with proper flow and changes to keep you hooked.   Is there really any difference between a "long song" and a piece that is multiple tracks, but flows together smoothly?  

 If a song is "too long", it's just not a well written piece.
Total agreement.  That is one big reason a little formal music study would help these bands/songwriters who are trying to do 15-20+ minute songs.  Sure a Beethoven symphony is a half hour long, but it isn't a half hour of the same three ideas repeated over and over again with an instrumental break or two.
avatar
messiaen77
Holy Unblack Knight
Holy Unblack Knight

Posts : 3275
Join date : 2012-01-31
Age : 46
Location : hiding in the bushes

Back to top Go down

Re: Songs that are too long?

Post by TheDoctor394 on Sat Jul 09, 2016 5:58 pm

Friday13th wrote:The longest song on my ipod is "A Passion Play" by Jethro Tull. 
44:58   Twisted Evil 
It's the whole album. Ian Anderson definitely could have shaved  the "Hare Who Lost His Spectacles" part, so I won't deny it's too long. 

My favorite songs "I Am" and "Starless" are in the 10-15 min range. I also ironically love 2 min songs.

So let me get this straight. You guys watch a two hour movie without batting an eye and then complain if a song reaches the six minute mark?  Neutral Music enthusiasts, huh?

I do think about this myself at times.  I have no problem with sitting down watching a film of ninety minutes, up to two hours (depending on what it is), but if I find out an album exceeds the sixty minute mark, I usually give a groan initially (let alone over seventy minutes).  Of course, some of these albums end up being good to excellent, but my first reaction is nearly always the same.  Not sure why...
avatar
TheDoctor394
mallcore n00b
mallcore n00b

Posts : 71
Join date : 2012-04-08
Age : 48
Location : Brisbane Australia

Back to top Go down

Re: Songs that are too long?

Post by alldatndensum on Sat Jul 09, 2016 6:40 pm

WildWorld wrote:
Friday13th wrote:The longest song on my ipod is "A Passion Play" by Jethro Tull. 
44:58   Twisted Evil 
It's the whole album. Ian Anderson definitely could have shaved  the "Hare Who Lost His Spectacles" part, so I won't deny it's too long. 

My favorite songs "I Am" and "Starless" are in the 10-15 min range. I also ironically love 2 min songs.

So let me get this straight. You guys watch a two hour movie without batting an eye and then complain if a song reaches the six minute mark?  Neutral Music enthusiasts, huh?
With a 2 hour movie there are visuals, dialogue, and things happening constantly. With long songs, there are times when there is nothing but instrumental passages, which can get boring (especially if you like to sing along to songs).



Nailed it!!!
avatar
alldatndensum
Mullet Wig King

Posts : 4363
Join date : 2012-02-06
Age : 48
Location : Tennessee

http://www.christianhardmusic.com

Back to top Go down

Re: Songs that are too long?

Post by TheDoctor394 on Sat Jul 09, 2016 7:31 pm

WildWorld wrote:
Friday13th wrote:The longest song on my ipod is "A Passion Play" by Jethro Tull. 
44:58   Twisted Evil 
It's the whole album. Ian Anderson definitely could have shaved  the "Hare Who Lost His Spectacles" part, so I won't deny it's too long. 

My favorite songs "I Am" and "Starless" are in the 10-15 min range. I also ironically love 2 min songs.

So let me get this straight. You guys watch a two hour movie without batting an eye and then complain if a song reaches the six minute mark?  Neutral Music enthusiasts, huh?
With a 2 hour movie there are visuals, dialogue, and things happening constantly. With long songs, there are times when there is nothing but instrumental passages, which can get boring (especially if you like to sing along to songs).
An argument I would give there is that some two-hour movies don't always have things happening - they can have periods of incredible tedium and boredom.
I don't tend to have problems with long songs, just long albums.  As I mentioned in a post just before, I haven't been able to understand why I can watch a two hour film without much complaint, but roll my eyes at a sixty-plus minute album, and I think one reason might be a film, ideally, can be appreciated after one viewing, while an album can require a number of listens, so the longer it is, the longer I have to take to get to know it.
avatar
TheDoctor394
mallcore n00b
mallcore n00b

Posts : 71
Join date : 2012-04-08
Age : 48
Location : Brisbane Australia

Back to top Go down

Re: Songs that are too long?

Post by Andreas89 on Tue Jul 12, 2016 4:02 am

First example that comes to mind is Alestorm's Sunset on the Gold Age. It's one of those longer songs by a power metal band that are just meant to be the "epic" on the album. Lots of times, it makes a good listen (I love longer songs!), but this one just could have done with a three minute trim or something.
avatar
Andreas89
Metal Warrior
Metal Warrior

Posts : 633
Join date : 2016-03-09
Age : 27
Location : Potsdam, Germany

Back to top Go down

Re: Songs that are too long?

Post by sentient 6 on Thu Jul 28, 2016 2:55 am

I love Opeth and old Rush.....so I got no problem with long songs.
avatar
sentient 6
Sacred Metal Prophet
Sacred Metal Prophet

Posts : 5809
Join date : 2012-03-31

Back to top Go down

Re: Songs that are too long?

Post by Andreas89 on Mon Aug 01, 2016 10:44 am

sentient 6 wrote:I love Opeth and old Rush.....so I got no problem with long songs.
Hey, that's because those artists are actually capable of cramming something interesting in the long songs they have composed. Not every artist that makes a long song, does so succesfully.

The example that I mentioned (Alestorm - Sunset on the Golden Age) is like 10-11 minutes, and I think it's too long for its own sake. But there's plenty of songs that I love, that easily exceed that song in length.
avatar
Andreas89
Metal Warrior
Metal Warrior

Posts : 633
Join date : 2016-03-09
Age : 27
Location : Potsdam, Germany

Back to top Go down

Re: Songs that are too long?

Post by Superjuice on Tue Aug 02, 2016 7:01 pm

I don't feel that Hangar 18 nor The Stand are too long.  When the Stand is over, I wish it would never end especially the live version.

The song that gets long in the tooth for me is Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner, which has a sagging midsection - if they could cut out a few repetitive bars, it would be a flawless masterpiece.

But Tales From the Topographic Ocean: no, that's not long at all....

Here's a long song that I think gets overlooked and is surprisingly progressive from an alt band:

avatar
Superjuice
Holy Unblack Knight
Holy Unblack Knight

Posts : 1376
Join date : 2012-02-01

Back to top Go down

Re: Songs that are too long?

Post by deathisgain on Tue Aug 02, 2016 9:09 pm

Superjuice wrote:The song that gets long in the tooth for me is Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner, which has a sagging midsection - if they could cut out a few repetitive bars, it would be a flawless masterpiece.
What? scratch
avatar
deathisgain
Metal Slacker

Posts : 2152
Join date : 2012-02-01
Age : 47

http://www.deathisgain.com

Back to top Go down

Re: Songs that are too long?

Post by Superjuice on Thu Aug 04, 2016 2:45 pm

deathisgain wrote:
Superjuice wrote:The song that gets long in the tooth for me is Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner, which has a sagging midsection - if they could cut out a few repetitive bars, it would be a flawless masterpiece.
What? scratch
avatar
Superjuice
Holy Unblack Knight
Holy Unblack Knight

Posts : 1376
Join date : 2012-02-01

Back to top Go down

Re: Songs that are too long?

Post by Mang67 on Tue Jan 24, 2017 1:40 pm

If it jams, it jams.
avatar
Mang67
Seasoned Guardian
Seasoned Guardian

Posts : 162
Join date : 2012-02-07
Age : 50
Location : Vancouver

Back to top Go down

Re: Songs that are too long?

Post by Guest on Tue Jan 24, 2017 3:48 pm

I'm struggling to come up with examples now (I don't remember boring things I guess haha), but I don't have a problem with long songs. There are plenty of 3-4 minutes songs that I consider too long, and longer songs that feel short. Theocracy nailed (ha!) it with I Am, Iced Earth - Dante's Inferno is worth it's 17 minute length. Wolves in the Throne Room - Celestite works with long songs for me... Mastodon - The Czar and The Last Baron. And so on...

Guest
Guest


Back to top Go down

Re: Songs that are too long?

Post by deathisgain on Tue Jan 24, 2017 7:07 pm

Mang67 wrote:If it jams, it jams.
avatar
deathisgain
Metal Slacker

Posts : 2152
Join date : 2012-02-01
Age : 47

http://www.deathisgain.com

Back to top Go down

Re: Songs that are too long?

Post by Kerrick on Tue Jan 24, 2017 7:10 pm

deathisgain wrote:
Superjuice wrote:The song that gets long in the tooth for me is Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner, which has a sagging midsection - if they could cut out a few repetitive bars, it would be a flawless masterpiece.
What? scratch

There are some real sickos out there...

Superjuice, this is your first and FINAL warning: no more such heresy or you'll be in BIG trouble mister!  Razz

_________________
Job 3:2
avatar
Kerrick
Tyrant
Tyrant

Posts : 7413
Join date : 2012-06-26
Age : 30
Location : Santa Cruz, CA

Back to top Go down

Re: Songs that are too long?

Post by Bestemor Skogmus on Wed Jan 25, 2017 4:46 pm

WildWorld wrote:Are there any songs you've heard that simply go on way too long? 

Any song by Justin Bieber?  Rolling Eyes






(Ok, I have a teenage daughter...)

Bestemor Skogmus
mallcore n00b
mallcore n00b

Posts : 2
Join date : 2017-01-21
Location : Norway

Back to top Go down

Re: Songs that are too long?

Post by Kerrick on Wed Jan 25, 2017 5:06 pm

LOL.

_________________
Job 3:2
avatar
Kerrick
Tyrant
Tyrant

Posts : 7413
Join date : 2012-06-26
Age : 30
Location : Santa Cruz, CA

Back to top Go down

Re: Songs that are too long?

Post by bigtreads on Fri Jan 27, 2017 11:03 am

Superjuice wrote:
deathisgain wrote:
Superjuice wrote:The song that gets long in the tooth for me is Rhyme of the Ancient Mariner, which has a sagging midsection - if they could cut out a few repetitive bars, it would be a flawless masterpiece.
What? scratch
I have always thought this - and early Maiden is my most favorite music ever created.
avatar
bigtreads
Seasoned Guardian
Seasoned Guardian

Posts : 189
Join date : 2012-02-08
Age : 45

Back to top Go down

Re: Songs that are too long?

Post by oldschooldoom on Tue Jan 31, 2017 10:31 am

Songs are too long only if you don't like them. There are songs that I hate 10 seconds into them. Their are songs that are 25 minutes that I love.
avatar
oldschooldoom
Holy Unblack Knight
Holy Unblack Knight

Posts : 2781
Join date : 2012-02-02
Location : 'Merica

Back to top Go down

Re: Songs that are too long?

Post by New Creation on Tue Jan 31, 2017 12:58 pm

I forgot to mention Don Francisco's "Too Small a Price"

avatar
New Creation
Metal Warrior
Metal Warrior

Posts : 958
Join date : 2016-04-19
Age : 43
Location : On top of the heavens

Back to top Go down

Re: Songs that are too long?

Post by Hardcore Christian on Tue Jan 31, 2017 8:52 pm

oldschooldoom wrote:Songs are too long only if you don't like them. There are songs that I hate 10 seconds into them. Their are songs that are 25 minutes that I love.
True, if its a song I dislike its almost always long, if its a song I love whether 2 or 20 mins, I will listen to it

Theres never a song I like that I look back and think, "ya know I loved it but it was too long"
avatar
Hardcore Christian
Holy Unblack Knight
Holy Unblack Knight

Posts : 3688
Join date : 2013-07-31
Age : 17
Location : Spokane, WA

Back to top Go down

Re: Songs that are too long?

Post by Mysterious Gamer Dude on Thu Mar 02, 2017 5:38 pm

I know this is a non-metal section but...

Elegy by Becoming The Archetype. Don't get me wrong I love long songs but, not only is it 11 minutes and 14 seconds long, the piano solo literally takes up half of the song. Just replace some of the piano time with some good metal instrumentals!
avatar
Mysterious Gamer Dude
Seasoned Guardian
Seasoned Guardian

Posts : 261
Join date : 2016-12-22
Age : 19
Location : It's a mystery...

Back to top Go down

Re: Songs that are too long?

Post by Kerrick on Thu Mar 02, 2017 5:44 pm

^Oh no way!   flower   That song is spectacular and probably my favorite BTA song.

The first time I saw them (during the Physics Of Fire tour) they played Elegy but once they got to the piano part, they morphed it into the Charlie Brown theme song.  At first I couldn't believe what I was hearing; it was great.

_________________
Job 3:2
avatar
Kerrick
Tyrant
Tyrant

Posts : 7413
Join date : 2012-06-26
Age : 30
Location : Santa Cruz, CA

Back to top Go down

Re: Songs that are too long?

Post by Mysterious Gamer Dude on Fri Mar 03, 2017 11:17 pm

^LOL.

The X-Files theme would have been hilarious.  Razz

My favorite BTA song on TD is probably The Trivial Paroxysm.
avatar
Mysterious Gamer Dude
Seasoned Guardian
Seasoned Guardian

Posts : 261
Join date : 2016-12-22
Age : 19
Location : It's a mystery...

Back to top Go down

Re: Songs that are too long?

Post by Markus1987 on Sat Mar 04, 2017 7:22 am

It depends about the song. I love long, epic stuff so the length just doesn't matter.  If the song is good, it is good Smile .
avatar
Markus1987
Seasoned Guardian
Seasoned Guardian

Posts : 262
Join date : 2012-03-21
Age : 30
Location : Finland

Back to top Go down

Re: Songs that are too long?

Post by Sponsored content


Sponsored content


Back to top Go down

View previous topic View next topic Back to top


 
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum