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Post by Guest on Fri May 13, 2016 1:26 am

Today Michael posted this on Facebook...

"I want to to encourage all of you to get out to a Stryper this year. I'm in no way, shape or form implying that we're calling it quits after this tour BUT (that's a big but), we certainly won't be around for years to come. You never know what the future holds and what God's plans are for any of us so my recommendation (if you're a fan) is to get out and see the show.
We're doing a "Fallen" set until September and then we go into a THWTD set from Sep/Dec (with original outfits). Go to: http://www.stryper.com/Tour/tour.html and get tickets and better yet, pick up some VIP's and you'll be entered to win a Washburn guitar!!! We love hanging with people and to be honest, my favorite part of the tour is meeting all of you at the VIP's.
See you soon and let's rock 2016 like no other!"

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Post by Soldier777 on Fri May 13, 2016 3:52 am

That is interesting. I don't think he implies this is then last tour and then that's it. It was announced prior to this that he/they are starting a new album in January 2017. I suspect they are doing another album or 2 and then they will stop. The first time they were around in the 80's and early 90's they did 5 original studio albums. Now since 2003 they have 4 original studio albums. After another 1-3 albums they may stop. Don't forget there will likely be an additional live album and/or a compilation of their hits or a covers album.

Michael has other things going on like his solo career, Sweet Lynch and producing other bands. We will have to wait and see. I would like to see them carry on for several years. It seems like they have gained a lot of ground from the past couple of albums and tours.
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Post by deathisgain on Fri May 13, 2016 7:47 am

My first thought, is that Michael is trying to get butts out on this tour. But, they are also getting older, and no one knows when they may have to stop.
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Post by Thiago-Brazil on Fri May 13, 2016 7:49 am

Answering the question of the thread, I don't think so. Of course, as Michael stated, Stryper won't be around for years to come, but this kind of expression could mean anything (I mean, how many years you think of when you read "years to come"?). 

And, as we all know, when a successful band such as Stryper decide to split, they usually do a farewell tour. Not in a few cases, this tour is longer than expected and some bands end up doing lots of farewell tours. Sometimes I guess this is more of a marketing thing.

On the other hand, I know that there are many factors to considerate, such as the distance they live from each other, relationship between them, the label negotiation to keep making new albums, among many other things...
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Post by Soldier777 on Fri May 13, 2016 1:28 pm

As Michael usually does, he wil likely clarify this in the coming hours, days or weeks, not that it's a bad thing. I think that Fallen is the last album under the current Frontiers contract or the first one. I can't remember. If it's the first one then they will have at least 2 more albums to do. On the other hand, i/we may be reading too much into this.
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Post by Professor_Valconian on Sat May 14, 2016 12:18 am

Who is this Stryper you speak of?
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Post by Hardcore Christian on Sat May 14, 2016 1:17 am

Professor_Valconian wrote:Who is this Stryper you speak of?
Never heard of this band before.............................. are they new?

Have they released a demo or anything yet?
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Post by Throne of thorns on Sat May 14, 2016 3:41 am

Hardcore Christian wrote:
Professor_Valconian wrote:Who is this Stryper you speak of?
Never heard of this band before.............................. are they new?

Have they released a demo or anything yet?
Imagine the image of poison if you will but a christian version and much better music and musicians.
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Post by Guest on Sat May 14, 2016 12:47 pm

Imagine the image of poison if you will but a christian version and much better music and musicians.

I wouldn't say better...I think poison smokes stryper Twisted Evil
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I think stryper the band broke up along time ago...what I see now is The Michael Sweet band using the name of stryper...I mean the guy writes it all, records it all, tells each member what to play (including guitar solos note for note), manages it all and has made it clear he is the talent in the band..  Rolling Eyes
I wish Robert, Tim and Oz would fire Michael and get a new singer and then go out as stryper Smile

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Post by Staybrite on Sat May 14, 2016 1:01 pm

Savage Amusement wrote:

I think stryper the band broke up along time ago...what I see now is The Michael Sweet band using the name of stryper...I mean the guy writes it all, records it all, tells each member what to play (including guitar solos note for note), manages it all and has made it clear he is the talent in the band.. 

What makes you think this is any different than how the band operated in the 80's?
Look at the song writing credits on those first 5 albums, Michael Sweet wrote the lion's share of that music too (as a matter of fact it looks like none of the other band members did any writing for ATL).

Many of you might be surprised to learn that many "bands" are actually a group of musicians centered around a single mucisian who does a large portion of the writing and dictates much of how the band operates.  Rarely does every band member do a significant portion of the music writing/creating.
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Post by Guest on Sat May 14, 2016 1:44 pm

Thats true staybrite but when you get to the point of writing the guitar solos and then teaching them to the lead guitar player instead of letting him come up with his own...thats just sad.. Most band's dont do that Evil or Very Mad ...I mean Nikki Sixx lets mick play whatever and Aerosmith lets the other members create their own parts..heck, even Ted Nugent lets the other members of his band contribute  Shocked  ..both bands centered around a single or double member team..I guess what really soured me with Micheal was reading his book.. I actually haven't listened to s stryper album in full since then (except I did stream fallen all the way through and hated it)..The only stryper record I really liked was Against The Law and the Covering...both albums kinda ditched the whole Christian thing somewhat and came off more secular to me..
They are coming to my area and someone offered me free tickets and I turned them down...If stryper broke up today I wouldn't miss them..

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Post by alldatndensum on Sat May 14, 2016 1:52 pm

They are coming to my area and someone offered me free tickets and I turned them down...If stryper broke up today I wouldn't miss them..

Then why start a thread about them?  You don't see most folks here starting threads about bands they can't stand just to say they wouldn't miss them if they broke up.
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Post by deathisgain on Sat May 14, 2016 2:36 pm

Whether the whole band is involved, or it is a Michaelocracy, all I got to say is:
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Post by Hardcore Christian on Sat May 14, 2016 3:42 pm

deathisgain wrote:Whether the whole band is involved, or it is a Michaelocracy, all I got to say is:
Twisted Evil
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Post by alldatndensum on Sat May 14, 2016 4:57 pm

Staybrite wrote:
Savage Amusement wrote:

I think stryper the band broke up along time ago...what I see now is The Michael Sweet band using the name of stryper...I mean the guy writes it all, records it all, tells each member what to play (including guitar solos note for note), manages it all and has made it clear he is the talent in the band.. 

What makes you think this is any different than how the band operated in the 80's?
Look at the song writing credits on those first 5 albums, Michael Sweet wrote the lion's share of that music too (as a matter of fact it looks like none of the other band members did any writing for ATL).

Many of you might be surprised to learn that many "bands" are actually a group of musicians centered around a single musician who does a large portion of the writing and dictates much of how the band operates.  Rarely does every band member do a significant portion of the music writing/creating.


I don't think that anyone would disagree that Michael has always been the main driving force behind the band.  Even when he left and the guys tried to do Sin Dizzy, it was different.  The songs they did were cool, but they didn't sound like Stryper anymore.  When Michael is done with the band and is out of ideas, then Stryper will end.  Seeing that he seems to be in the height of his creative career with Stryper and all his other projects, I doubt we've seen the last of the Holy Bumblebees for some time to come.
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Post by Soldier777 on Sat May 14, 2016 5:05 pm

I can see this thread being locked or Michael posting something here out of agravation. There haven't been a Stryper thread here in a while. I can see why - people gets all worked up over the band. Perhaps Michael writes most of the parts because that's how the band prefers it - you never know. Perhaps Michael is typing to avoid some of the creative mistakes that were made in the 80's. We all know he is avoiding the financial mistakes that were made in the 80's.

Stryper is one of my favorite bands. They have created some of their best music since 2003 that rivals their early albums.
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Post by Professor_Valconian on Sat May 14, 2016 6:17 pm

Savage Amusement wrote:The only stryper record I really liked was Against The Law and the Covering...both albums kinda ditched the whole Christian thing somewhat and came off more secular to me.

And that's what makes good music? Excluding any content related to faith or God?
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Post by JPK72 on Sat May 14, 2016 9:46 pm

Stryper better get down to Australia again soon or there is going to be hell to pay, oh wait that was last tour which never got down here either
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Post by deathisgain on Sat May 14, 2016 10:27 pm

alldatndensum wrote:I doubt we've seen the last of the Holy Bumblebees for some time to come.

"Holy Bumblebees" should be the name of a Stryper cover band.
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Post by alldatndensum on Sun May 15, 2016 8:23 am

deathisgain wrote:
alldatndensum wrote:I doubt we've seen the last of the Holy Bumblebees for some time to come.

"Holy Bumblebees" should be the name of a Stryper cover band.



And all the members should be fat and wear spandex so they really LOOK like bumblebees.  I get to be Tim's fat replacement!

lol!
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Post by Staybrite on Sun May 15, 2016 12:35 pm

Savage Amusement wrote:Thats true staybrite but when you get to the point of writing the guitar solos and then teaching them to the lead guitar player instead of letting him come up with his own...thats just sad.. Most band's dont do that Evil or Very Mad ...I mean Nikki Sixx lets mick play whatever and Aerosmith lets the other members create their own parts..heck, even Ted Nugent lets the other members of his band contribute  Shocked  ..both bands centered around a single or double member team..I guess what really soured me with Micheal was reading his book.. I actually haven't listened to s stryper album in full since then (except I did stream fallen all the way through and hated it)..The only stryper record I really liked was Against The Law and the Covering...both albums kinda ditched the whole Christian thing somewhat and came off more secular to me..
They are coming to my area and someone offered me free tickets and I turned them down...If stryper broke up today I wouldn't miss them..

I still doubt it is terribly different from the way the band operated in the 80's.  I don't think most bands function as a true democracy or even as an equal partnership.

I've heard of bands who don't even have all the band members record on the album.  Sometimes bands with two guitarists will only have one of them record all the guitars on an album (usually under an attempt to maintain "consitency") at least one of the Ultimatum albums was recorded this way.  Rumor has it that Cinderalla almost never had their drummer (Fred Coury) record on their studio albums.  Queensryches guitarists did almost none of the recording on at least two of thier 2000's albums.  I was even told by a friend close to the band that the bass parts for Alice in Chains earlier albums were often recorded by the guitarist.  Richard Lynch has even admitted that the guitar and bass duties on several Saint albums were occasionaly recorded by whoever was around at the time (presumably still members of the band).  Just because a band member is listed in the credits doesn't mean they actually record all (or sometimes even any) of the music on the album.  A close look at the writing credits is usually a good indicator of who controls the creative output (and often other aspects) of  the band.
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Post by Guest on Sun May 15, 2016 5:20 pm

Thats probably true..look at the Kiss album "creatures of The Night"...Ace is credited and on the cover but had already left the band..Vinnie Vincent is the real guitarist on the album plus I see in the credits the solos were all guest guitarist..

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Post by Throne of thorns on Sun May 15, 2016 9:25 pm

Savage Amusement wrote:
Imagine the image of poison if you will but a christian version and much better music and musicians.

I wouldn't say better...I think poison smokes stryper Twisted Evil
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I think stryper the band broke up along time ago...what I see now is The Michael Sweet band using the name of stryper...I mean the guy writes it all, records it all, tells each member what to play (including guitar solos note for note), manages it all and has made it clear he is the talent in the band..  Rolling Eyes
I wish Robert, Tim and Oz would fire Michael and get a new singer and then go out as stryper
i'm not into stryper a whole bunch but......Poison smokes stryper....................?  Shocked
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Post by TheOldMan2084 on Mon May 16, 2016 8:14 am

I loved Fallen and I heard No More Hell To Pay was pretty good too. It would be a shame to stop now that they've picked up some good momentum. Then again, I can see where you might want to stop at some point before you hit the downward curve.
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Post by Thiago-Brazil on Mon May 16, 2016 9:24 am

alldatndensum wrote:
They are coming to my area and someone offered me free tickets and I turned them down...If stryper broke up today I wouldn't miss them..

Then why start a thread about them?  You don't see most folks here starting threads about bands they can't stand just to say they wouldn't miss them if they broke up.
Well, why not? This is not against the rules of the forum.

If he wants to dicuss Stryper, lets do it, no matter if he likes the band or not. At least he brought up an interesting discussion to the bands fans.
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Post by Staybrite on Mon May 16, 2016 3:31 pm

Savage Amusement wrote:Thats probably true..look at the Kiss album "creatures of The Night"...Ace is credited and on the cover but had already left the band..Vinnie Vincent is the real guitarist on the album plus I see in the credits the solos were all guest guitarist..

Sometimes they don't even list the guest musicians.  I can't remember what band it was but they had something on their album to the effect of "Drums by Bobby Boxer"....when the drums were really recorded by a relatively famous drummer who was in another band with a record contract....legally he wasn't allowed to do any recording that wasn't under control of the record company he was under contract with.  So he just recorded for the other band under a pseudonym and basically just thumbed his nose at the record company.  Wouldn't surprise me if that kind of stuff went on all the time.
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Post by Follower of Jesus on Mon May 16, 2016 8:25 pm

I really, really doubt Mike writes and teaches Oz his solos. They have completely different styles of solos. I can almost always tell who's doing each solo by how it sounds. Plus, if Oz's solos were written by Mike, why do Oz's solos on the Bloodgood album sound very similar to his solos in Stryper?
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Post by messiaen77 on Tue May 17, 2016 11:17 am

Savage Amusement wrote:
I mean the guy writes it all, records it all, tells each member what to play (including guitar solos note for note), manages it all and has made it clear he is the talent in the band..  Rolling Eyes
Proof?
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Post by Soldier777 on Tue May 17, 2016 1:38 pm

I haven't looked at the credits on the Bloodgood Dangerously Close CD in a while, but I think Paul Jackson plays most of the leads and solos.  Oz plays alot of the rhythm guitar.
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Post by Follower of Jesus on Wed May 18, 2016 5:27 am

Soldier777 wrote:I haven't looked at the credits on the Bloodgood Dangerously Close CD in a while, but I think Paul Jackson plays most of the leads and solos.  Oz plays alot of the rhythm guitar.

Paul plays most, not all of the solos. Oz has several.
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Post by alldatndensum on Wed May 18, 2016 7:19 am

Follower of Jesus wrote:
Soldier777 wrote:I haven't looked at the credits on the Bloodgood Dangerously Close CD in a while, but I think Paul Jackson plays most of the leads and solos.  Oz plays alot of the rhythm guitar.

Paul plays most, not all of the solos. Oz has several.



Even without looking at the inserts, you can tell that Oz plays some of the solos.  His playing style and tone shine through on those tracks.
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Post by Thiago-Brazil on Sat May 21, 2016 6:53 pm

Justy FYI, I took a look at the inserts and here are the solos Oz Played in Bloodgood's Dangerously Close album:

CHild on Earth
Bread Alone
Run the Race (1st lead - along with Paul)
Father Father(2nd lead - along with Paul)
Man in the Middle (2nd lead - along with Paul)

I guess he can play solos, however he didn't play many on this album because he is a busy guy, always touring with Stryper.

On more information, once Michael Sweet stopped by and said something like: "If you are a die hard fan, you should notice the difference of my solos and Oz solos".
So, he meant that they have their own caracteristics while playing, so I doubt he teachs Oz all of his solos.
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Post by alldatndensum on Sun May 22, 2016 4:21 pm

You can tell a difference in their playing.  Also, even in the mix, you can tell who is playing what.  Michael's solos are usually a bit more in the left channel and Oz's in the right.  Even on stage, that is where the stand in relation to one another if you are in the crowd looking at them.
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Post by Mang67 on Sun May 29, 2016 12:18 pm

No Pacific North West dates. Perhaps I'll have to wait for other tours. Stryper will be around for years.
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Post by Hardcore Christian on Sun May 29, 2016 3:45 pm

Mang67 wrote:No Pacific North West dates. Perhaps I'll have to wait for other tours.  Stryper will be around for years.
IKR! I wish they would at least come to Seattle!

If they came here to Spokane they could easily play the arena here!

Come on Michael show the PNW some love Smile
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Post by godsrocker1970 on Thu Jun 02, 2016 2:22 pm

Styper was not ground breaking by no means. Daniel band, Jerusalem, Ressurection Band, Leviticus, Saint to name but a few were already breaking ground, but Stryper did throw the doors wide open for Christian metal to be more widely accepted and known.

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Post by Soldier777 on Thu Jun 02, 2016 3:35 pm

That's a bold statement godsrocker. Stryper brought Christian metal to the mainstream and was signed by a secular label. 2/3 of their albums were brought by nonchristians. I don't think other Christian bands has that same success from non Christians.  I don't want to start a debate, but I think that if Stryper weren't around or started out different or were signed to a christian label, I think another band would of had the same or almost the same success  However, it may of happened a year or 2 later an 1983/84. Other bands were canidates to be more successful than they were like Guardian, Holy Soldier, etc.


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Post by godsrocker1970 on Thu Jun 02, 2016 7:13 pm

I agree. Christian labels did not have the audience of secular. Maybe if Barren Cross got signed earlier by Enigma records Atomic Arena was their break out album. As it was took Stryper a few years before they did. Took their 3rd album before success. No matter some great bands from that era. I miss discovering a new demo or band or a new album oh the anticipation of popping in that cassette for the first time not knowing whether it was listening, cranking it up or eject quality.

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