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Post by lhversaw on Fri Jan 15, 2016 8:28 pm

ATTENTION. In spite of being an Indie station and playing ONLY Indie artists the new laws have pretty much done away with that. All radio stations will be subject to paying the new License fees We have BARELY been staying on the air as it is. So as of January 30th The Radio station will cease operations. I have enjoyed the support that you have given to Sanctus Gladius Radio and I wish there was a way we could stay on the air past January 30th but there is really nothing that I can do at this point. THANK YOU SO MUCH for your support over the years and I truly hope that there ARE some Christian Metal Stations and shows and podcasts that can somehow stay open with these new laws.
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Post by alldatndensum on Fri Jan 15, 2016 9:48 pm

Perhaps you could get your indie artists to sign a waiver that would waive their rights to royalty payments.  I've never received a dime from any airplay and would be honored just to have Mission Of One get some play.  I'd sign it.
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Post by Temple of Blood on Fri Jan 15, 2016 10:15 pm

Who do these fees go to?  I've certainly never seen a dime.

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Post by lhversaw on Fri Jan 15, 2016 10:43 pm

The new laws pretty much do away with the title Indie. they claim the fees will go to the copyright holders but that remains to be seen.  In My Opinion it is the RIAA take over of music and what may end up happening is we listen to what they tell us to.
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Post by Garrison4JC on Fri Jan 15, 2016 11:29 pm

SoundExchange is where the money goes.  If they cannot find the copyright holder then the funds go into "administration costs".  

I was "doing the right thing" by paying for licensing on my podcast/broadcast, even knowing that the Indie bands I feature on my show probably never saw a penny of it.  I wanted to follow the laws of the land, you know?  Now the cost of the license has more than doubled for me and I simply do not have the coin to pay for it.  The Master's Metal is non-commercial and has a limited audience, after all.  Plus, I am permanently disabled and living off of Social Security.

I am led to believe that The Master's Metal has given entertainment and edification to its audience.  Fans and friends have also stated that listening to the show has encouraged them to make album and merchandise purchases.  I think that is awesome!  I can tell you, this humble podcast has helped the bands far more than my license attached to it has...as most of the bands I play are not even registered with SoundExchange, ASCAP, BMI, SESAC or SOCAN!

Not my will, but, God's will be done.  Wherever He leads, I will follow.
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Post by lhversaw on Sat Jan 16, 2016 10:39 am

alldatndensum wrote:Perhaps you could get your indie artists to sign a waiver that would waive their rights to royalty payments.  I've never received a dime from any airplay and would be honored just to have Mission Of One get some play.  I'd sign it.
Waivers won't do any good.  Get Caught broadcasting with no license and pay huge fines.  This will also pretty much force all bands to register with Ascap and then actually REGISTER each song in order to GET paid the royalties that will automatically be collected.
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Post by KaramKaram on Sat Jan 16, 2016 11:24 am

bummer

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Post by Tombie on Sat Jan 16, 2016 1:33 pm

I'm really sorry bud...
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Post by Guest on Sat Jan 16, 2016 2:38 pm

looks like there are still some christian metal stations on live365...also found one on tunein radio as well as a few European stations...and with the web I am sure their will still be some underground stations broadcasting from country's that dont care...

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Post by Guest on Sat Jan 16, 2016 2:46 pm

here is a real good station...
http://www.deadtoselfradio.com/

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Post by ThomasEversole on Sat Jan 16, 2016 3:23 pm

The modern way around it would be a YouTube channel.

I think if there was a "featuring" and/or a "reviewing" spin on music you'd normally radio host, and you setup a Patreon account (for monthly donations), I'd sign up for that.
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Post by Garrison4JC on Sat Jan 16, 2016 3:43 pm

Live365 stations will be streaming until January 31 and then the plug will be pulled (unless they are able to secure secure financial investors by that time).  

I imagine that there will be some online Christian Metal stations capable of paying the new license rates through advertising revenue, donations and etc.  That is fantastic!

I also know of at least three online Christian Metal stations who plan on going the "Pirate Radio" route and will continue streaming until they receive a legal "Cease and Desist" letter.

I myself am in a pickle, of sorts.  I play almost entirely independent (indie) music from bands who are only rarely registered with SoundExchange, ASCAP, BMI, SESAC and SOCAN.  I will take a wild guess here that 98% of the music played on The Master's Metal never benefit from my being licensed.  Those who do receive royalties from my show, I would venture to say probably get a handful of pennies.  

Personally, I want to follow the laws of the land.  In my financial position at the moment, that means opting to ask for donations or advertising support...or move away from my current format (Music Podcast).
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Post by Guest on Sat Jan 16, 2016 3:48 pm

So how much are these fees? maybe the cmr members could save at least one of you guys if not both?

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Post by lhversaw on Sat Jan 16, 2016 3:56 pm

The licensing fees are $40 a month and that is on top of the fees that we each already pay for stream hosting and website hosting etc.
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Post by Garrison4JC on Sat Jan 16, 2016 7:10 pm

Radio Station Hosting: $29.00 USD monthly (or $290 USD annually with discount)
Radio Station Licensing: $59.50 USD monthly

That is a total of $1062.00 USD annually (not counting other administrative costs).

Yes, you can find less expensive hosting.  However, the cheaper options offer less listener slots, lower quality sound, increased possibility of downtime and etc.


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Post by alldatndensum on Sat Jan 16, 2016 9:14 pm

I would do a GoFundMe money drive for this year's fees and keep your station alive.
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Post by KaramKaram on Sat Jan 16, 2016 9:47 pm

Nice advice alldat

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Post by Blake on Mon Jan 18, 2016 9:30 am

Where did you see the $40 a month? because I checked on the cost of licensing with ALL of the reporting agencies and it was around 1300-1400 a year. Are you getting this fee from streamlicensing? I checked out that site awhile back, and am still considering forking the cash.

I have always told myself that as long as I am alive and as long as I have the means I will keep Metal Blessing Radio on the air. I am considering paying streamlicensing possibly, but if I cant do that I am strongly considering staying on the air.

As many know I was on Live365 but they are officially closing their doors, they sent out the official email to all their broadcasters last week. I was already paying $40 a month to them for my stream since it was a hosting and blanket license bundle. Now I am paying $3 a month for hosting but without licensing, if I can afford licensing I will do it, but I also have to feed my family and that will of course come first.

I do recall Live365 telling us that we could provide them with waivers from bands, but I don't know the specifics of it. Either way that would be a huge amount of work.
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Post by Tombie on Mon Jan 18, 2016 11:07 am

I just received a letter from StreamLicensing... we may be shutting down Dead to Self and Fuel radio as well.
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Post by MikeInFla on Mon Jan 18, 2016 12:24 pm

Garrison4JC wrote:Live365 stations will be streaming until January 31 and then the plug will be pulled (unless they are able to secure secure financial investors by that time).  

I imagine that there will be some online Christian Metal stations capable of paying the new license rates through advertising revenue, donations and etc.  That is fantastic!

I also know of at least three online Christian Metal stations who plan on going the "Pirate Radio" route and will continue streaming until they receive a legal "Cease and Desist" letter.

I myself am in a pickle, of sorts.  I play almost entirely independent (indie) music from bands who are only rarely registered with SoundExchange, ASCAP, BMI, SESAC and SOCAN.  I will take a wild guess here that 98% of the music played on The Master's Metal never benefit from my being licensed.  Those who do receive royalties from my show, I would venture to say probably get a handful of pennies.  

Personally, I want to follow the laws of the land.  In my financial position at the moment, that means opting to ask for donations or advertising support...or move away from my current format (Music Podcast).

Just curious, but how does this affect the Frontline Rewind podcast? They play a ton of music on that one and have some great interviews. And since they are essentially the record label would that have to pay themselves??
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Post by Blake on Mon Jan 18, 2016 12:25 pm

Hmm I just checked Streamlicensing and their LOWEST licensing plan has gone up to $59. Yikes and that's before 3rd party hosting fees. That means MBR alone when combining my stream hosting, web hosting and license would be around $75 a month, and another $69 per year for my SSL certificate.

I definitely cant afford that, especially between both of my radio stations. I have been weighing my options. I currently have 3 options:

1. Pay around $120 a month to license both Metal Blessing Radio and White Noise Radio

2. Become a "pirate" internet radio station and run the risk of an unlicensed broadcast

3. Shut down and end a season of my life.

Metal Blessing Radio has been pretty much my life for the last 8 years. It looks like Christian metal radio may be getting killed in one swoop. If at all possible I want at least one of us to stay online.
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Post by ThomasEversole on Mon Jan 18, 2016 12:50 pm

Seems strange that if someone wants to host "internet radio", (which seems the format of yesteryear) they have to pay ridiculously out the ass...

...where as the exact same thing on YouTube (and I've seen plenty of radio broadcasts on YouTube) will PAY YOU $5-$8 per 1,000 "listens".  (If you monetize your account, which everyone who's aiming for subscriptions should)

You know how many videos out there have one million views? Those people have at least 5 grand in their pocket from it.

I know what I would do if I had a radio show.
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Post by Temple of Blood on Mon Jan 18, 2016 2:29 pm

YouTube is just a haven for copyright infringement.

But they have money/legal power (GOOGLE!!!!) so they are safe from our legal system.

Let's regulate the little guys out of existence!  Justice is served!!!111111

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Post by Blake on Mon Jan 18, 2016 2:43 pm

ThomasEversole wrote:Seems strange that if someone wants to host "internet radio", (which seems the format of yesteryear) they have to pay ridiculously out the ass...

...where as the exact same thing on YouTube (and I've seen plenty of radio broadcasts on YouTube) will PAY YOU $5-$8 per 1,000 "listens".  (If you monetize your account, which everyone who's aiming for subscriptions should)

You know how many videos out there have one million views?  Those people have at least 5 grand in their pocket from it.

I know what I would do if I had a radio show.

I think uploading podcasts to youtube is a bad idea. If you had a license to cover your radio broadcast stream, relaying that stream somewhere else, or posting it elsewhere means that license no longer applies. So if I had a license for MBR and I posted it on youtube the RIAA could still get you for that.

Its been expected in the radio community for awhile that the RIAA will eventually start attacking youtubers and podcasters. Its coming, its just a matter of when..

We are talking about an organization that has sued 11 year old children, grandmothers and even deceased people. They are vultures.


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Post by Temple of Blood on Mon Jan 18, 2016 2:56 pm

I don't think the RIAA has the power to take on YouTube/Google.

70% of youtube videos are probably using copyrighted material.  Do you really think they will let someone take all those views away from them?

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Post by MikeInFla on Mon Jan 18, 2016 3:09 pm

Metal Blessing Radio wrote:Hmm I just checked Streamlicensing and their LOWEST licensing plan has gone up to $59. Yikes and that's before 3rd party hosting fees. That means MBR alone when combining my stream hosting, web hosting and license would be around $75 a month, and another $69 per year for my SSL certificate.

I definitely cant afford that, especially between both of my radio stations. I have been weighing my options. I currently have 3 options:

1. Pay around $120 a month to license both Metal Blessing Radio and White Noise Radio

2. Become a "pirate" internet radio station and run the risk of an unlicensed broadcast

3. Shut down and end a season of my life.

Metal Blessing Radio has been pretty much my life for the last 8 years. It looks like Christian metal radio may be getting killed in one swoop. If at all possible I want at least one of us to stay online.

What you could possibly do is try to merge with 2 or 3 other people. Have it the same thing but a combined "format". Then split the $120 three ways. other than something like that the idea of streaming music or having a music podcast is a thing of the past.


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Post by Blake on Mon Jan 18, 2016 3:26 pm

MikeInFla wrote:
Metal Blessing Radio wrote:Hmm I just checked Streamlicensing and their LOWEST licensing plan has gone up to $59. Yikes and that's before 3rd party hosting fees. That means MBR alone when combining my stream hosting, web hosting and license would be around $75 a month, and another $69 per year for my SSL certificate.

I definitely cant afford that, especially between both of my radio stations. I have been weighing my options. I currently have 3 options:

1. Pay around $120 a month to license both Metal Blessing Radio and White Noise Radio

2. Become a "pirate" internet radio station and run the risk of an unlicensed broadcast

3. Shut down and end a season of my life.

Metal Blessing Radio has been pretty much my life for the last 8 years. It looks like Christian metal radio may be getting killed in one swoop. If at all possible I want at least one of us to stay online.

What you could possibly do is try to merge with 2 or 3 other people. Have it the same thing but a combined "format". Then split the $120 three ways. other than something like that the idea or streaming music or having a music podcast is a thing of the past.

I was just thinking of the merge option myself actually. That is definitely an option for any who would want to join in. One of us would maintain their infrastructure and the rest would contribute live shows/podcasts.
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Post by ThomasEversole on Mon Jan 18, 2016 3:49 pm

Metal Blessing Radio wrote:
I think uploading podcasts to youtube is a bad idea. If you had a license to cover your radio broadcast stream, relaying that stream somewhere else, or posting it elsewhere means that license no longer applies. So if I had a license for MBR and I posted it on youtube the RIAA could still get you for that.

Its been expected in the radio community for awhile that the RIAA will eventually start attacking youtubers and podcasters. Its coming, its just a matter of when..

We are talking about an organization that has sued 11 year old children, grandmothers and even deceased people. They are vultures.

Temple of Blood wrote:I don't think the RIAA has the power to take on YouTube/Google.

70% of youtube videos are probably using copyrighted material.  Do you really think they will let someone take all those views away from them?

Many youtubers stand under the Fair Use Act under Copyright Laws, which has some legitimacy.  
...but that all depends on

- Why you're using it
- How "copyrighted" it is (complicated)
- The Amount Used
- The effects of featuring someone else's work.

There's a thin line between piracy, free advertising and "showing for informational/educational purposes" here, but ultimately, outside of Copyright-this, copyright-that, YouTube takes complaints VERY seriously.  (I subscribe two multiple channels, most of which are "dark top 5, dark top 10" is, and probably 5-6 of those guys had to take down at least 1 video because of a complaint.)

I'm assuming that for radio play, stations have at least asked bands for permission to play their music.
If you've got their permission, that's the brightest green light you can get.

I'm confident that no one (YouTube, RIAA, etc.) will give any YouTube channel grief if they have permission to post the media they're posting.
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Post by Blake on Mon Jan 18, 2016 4:05 pm

If they have permission, yes they are in the clear but posting random videos of music on youtube, while people may get away with it most of the time now, I do feel the time will eventually come when it will change. Theoretically YouTube should be responsible for performance royalties for every youtube video view if it contains music.

Seriously though there is nothing to low or despicable for the RIAA, there are many stories you can find of them trying to sue a grandma for millions because a 6 year old downloaded a song and so on.

Apparently last year the RIAA started trying to subpoena youtube to release personal details of violating youtubers so they could sue them individually.

https://torrentfreak.com/riaa-demands-personal-details-of-pirating-youtube-users-140327/

Google has fought for "Fair Use" on youtube though:

http://www.digitaltrends.com/opinion/google-defends-fair-use-on-youtube-against-dmca/

If only ministry was considered a fair use.
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Post by Temple of Blood on Mon Jan 18, 2016 4:10 pm

You can find most any music you want for free on YouTube.  I'm fairly certain a lot of it is as copyrighted as it could be.  Google makes millions by giving away others' art for free.


They have had years to crack down on this and haven't done a thing.  I see more music on there than ever.  Not to mention TV shows, etc.


I don't think any real crack down is coming.


Not sure it matters why you are giving out all of Led Zeppelin's music for free, just the fact that you are doing it should be enough to run afoul of common sense guidelines.

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Post by Tombie on Mon Jan 18, 2016 4:38 pm

Our yearly finances went from $1,500.00/year to over $4,000.00! We do an annual fundraiser and I was almost ready to just pull the plug but then we just hit near the halfway mark. It is worth a try guys, I have been doing fundraisers to support my stations for years and I have always exceeded my goal. Just do a gofundme or a preferred fundraiser... what do you have to lose?
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Post by Tombie on Mon Jan 18, 2016 4:41 pm

Besides that, I wouldn't want to mess with the RIAA. They're just a bunch of greedy lawyers who have nothing better to do than try and get rid of anyone trying to make them money??? I mean, I have been licensed since the start and most of the bands I play haven't seen a dime. But you know what? GOD is bigger so let them try and shut Him down.
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Post by lhversaw on Mon Jan 18, 2016 4:47 pm

There are a few of us who are considering the Merge thing in the vein of Rockradio.com.  However in order to pull that off in such a way as to be able to pay for the license of everyone involved and website hosting and stream hosting etc we would have to do a go fund me or some fundraising like that.    You fans really seem to want to help us stay on air but would enough of you be willing to help fund it to make it possible?  Then once it is started would enough of you be willing to help keep it going via continued financial support or for you businesses through advertising support?  What about a possible subscription possibliity?
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Post by Blake on Mon Jan 18, 2016 5:08 pm

Personally I don't think that people should have to pay to listen to Christian radio, that severely limits its evangelistic value.
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Post by KaramKaram on Mon Jan 18, 2016 5:11 pm

That sounds like a good idea lhversaw I think you all can build a shop also and sell shirts, used CDs and other stuffs, that may add a bit more to keep the different stations alive, I am not a regular listener but I could contribute to keep you guys going spreading the Message

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Post by KaramKaram on Mon Jan 18, 2016 5:12 pm

Metal Blessing Radio wrote:Personally I don't think that people should have to pay to listen to Christian radio, that severely limits its evangelistic value.
True for non believers listeners, but for those who are grown and matured in Christ can help the guys keeping the stations alive

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Post by Garrison4JC on Mon Jan 18, 2016 5:32 pm

StreamLicensing.com just increased its base cost from $39.50 to $59.50 USD per month.  That base fee only allows for under $20 USD monthly gross income and under 4000 TLH (Total Listening Hours).  I will not make an assumption at what the TLH for the current radio stations are, but, if they go beyond that...the price climbs quickly.  

Music podcasts are no longer covered simply by a single license.  I am forced to go through each ASCAP, BMI, SESAC, SOCAN and SoundExchange.  The cost to keep my podcast going is roughly $80 USD per month now.  So, The Master's Metal as a podcast is finished.  If we can keep a radio station going, however, I would love to go live broadcast again!

Here is what I would like to do with everybody who is willing...

We can setup a GoFundMe, IndieGoGo or Patreon to secure donations to get this going.  There are a LOT of people wanting to help and I have little doubt that we can make this happen!

IDEA 1:  We merge all of the current Christian Rock/Metal radio stations into a single entity.  We fill this station with all of the current live broadcast and podcast shows, as well as a random play rotation in between.  

IDEA 2:  We do something like http://www.rockradio.com/ where there is a single website entity, with several different radio stations (each featuring different styles of Rock an Metal).  

What we need to do is get everybody interested in these ideas (or your own) together for a conversation on Skype or my Discord VOIP server to find a common solution.
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Post by Blake on Mon Jan 18, 2016 5:41 pm

I am definitely onboard with a merger of stations. I remember back in the day James Mattern approached me about merging with what was at the time Blabberjesus radio. At that time I was against merging because I felt that took away from the options available to prospective listeners. Unlike secular stations we don't have the luxury of channel surfing with Christian metal.

However with the current situation I think merging and splitting costs may be a wise decision. My TLH is below 4000. We would need to discuss details for sure, we could also start a facebook groupchat as well. I have had those in the past and they work.

I don't know who is best equipped to host the actual stream but I do have a licensed copy of SAM Broadcaster on a dedicated broadcasting pc at home. I believe David also probably has a SAM license. It doesn't matter to me who handles the actual hardware part but that can be figured out with discussion.
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Post by Garrison4JC on Mon Jan 18, 2016 6:30 pm

I believe that you and I are the only two with SAM Broadcaster?  Although, my bandwidth is rather dismal at the moment due to financial constraints.  

We can use the "Christian Rock & Metal DJ's" Facebook group that we started a while back to discuss this.  Smile
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Post by Through The Dark Radio on Tue Jan 19, 2016 10:14 am

Does anyone know who does Christian Armor Radio?  They're apparently already using StreamLicensing.
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Post by Blake on Wed Jan 20, 2016 9:30 am

Garrison4JC wrote:I believe that you and I are the only two with SAM Broadcaster?  Although, my bandwidth is rather dismal at the moment due to financial constraints.  

We can use the "Christian Rock & Metal DJ's" Facebook group that we started a while back to discuss this.  Smile

I didn't see this post before I created the FB chat. We can keep the chat or move it there, doesn't matter to me. It doesn't take too much bandwidth to run a single stream, upstream is a separate bandwidth from downstream. I'm ok with hosting but as far as live relay handovers go I am not too familiar with that.

The only problems for me are that I currently only have the capability to serve 1 stream through my single copy of SAM, and depending how much involvement is necessary when cutting over to another live DJ I may not have optimal availability for that.

All of my shows were live, however other shows such as Masters Metal and so on I aired the recorded podcasts, so never had to deal with relays.
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Post by deathisgain on Thu Jan 21, 2016 8:29 am

http://thecmr.forumotion.com/t8953-heavensmetalradio-com#167538

Interesting to see that Doug Van Pelt is throwing his hat into the ring.
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Post by d@v!d on Thu Jan 21, 2016 10:03 am

Wow. What an informative thread. I didn't know anything about this. I don't listen to i-radio much. I found this article that talks about the situation. There's a part about a petition at the end of it. It may be worth the look.
http://www.radiosurvivor.com/2016/01/05/why-american-independent-internet-radio-may-go-extinct-in-2016/
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Post by sam-e, the doc of rock on Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:15 am

Hi.  I am the one who runs Christian Armor Radio.  Saw the post above - looks like I decided to check out CMR at the right time.  It's true, I am currently using Streamlicensing, and have been doing so since the summer of 2013.  Their fees went up twice in the last month due to royalty fee increases, and are $59.50 a month if you have 4000 TLH (total listening hours) or under and up to $20 of revenue from the station.  I've been selling CD's and started a GoFundMe campaign in my efforts to keep broadcasting.  I'd like to continue further dialog on this subject.  I have asked to join the Christian rock and metal dj's facebook group, so I'm looking forward to discussing things there.  Hope to talk with you soon! Check us out at www.caradio.net


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Post by Through The Dark Radio on Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:29 am

Glad you made it here, Sam-e.
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Post by ThomasEversole on Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:48 am

I signed that petition. I'm not involved in internet radio, but I want to help those who are.

It would be nice if there was a grant, financial assistance or tax write-off in the meantime.
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Post by Blake on Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:50 am

Hi Sam, I'm not an admin on the page but I'm sure David or Larry will add you soon. If you want to add me on FB I can add you to our group chat. I'm Blake Sherwin
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Post by lhversaw on Thu Jan 21, 2016 5:24 pm

sam-e, the doc of rock wrote:Hi.  I am the one who runs Christian Armor Radio.  Saw the post above - looks like I decided to check out CMR at the right time.  It's true, I am currently using Streamlicensing, and have been doing so since the summer of 2013.  Their fees went up twice in the last month due to royalty fee increases, and are $59.50 a month if you have 4000 TLH (total listening hours) or under and up to $20 of revenue from the station.  I've been selling CD's and started a GoFundMe campaign in my efforts to keep broadcasting.  I'd like to continue further dialog on this subject.  I have asked to join the Christian rock and metal dj's facebook group, so I'm looking forward to discussing things there.  Hope to talk with you soon! Check us out at www.caradio.net
Sam I am not seeing a request to join that group however if you friend me on facebook I will add you to the group.  I am easy to find on facebook.  Larry Versaw and it is the picture with Demon Hunter.
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Post by Blake on Thu Jan 21, 2016 6:29 pm

lhversaw wrote:
sam-e, the doc of rock wrote:Hi.  I am the one who runs Christian Armor Radio.  Saw the post above - looks like I decided to check out CMR at the right time.  It's true, I am currently using Streamlicensing, and have been doing so since the summer of 2013.  Their fees went up twice in the last month due to royalty fee increases, and are $59.50 a month if you have 4000 TLH (total listening hours) or under and up to $20 of revenue from the station.  I've been selling CD's and started a GoFundMe campaign in my efforts to keep broadcasting.  I'd like to continue further dialog on this subject.  I have asked to join the Christian rock and metal dj's facebook group, so I'm looking forward to discussing things there.  Hope to talk with you soon! Check us out at www.caradio.net
Sam I am not seeing a request to join that group however if you friend me on facebook I will add you to the group.  I am easy to find on facebook.  Larry Versaw and it is the picture with Demon Hunter.

Turns out it did let me approve him
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Post by Tombie on Fri Jan 22, 2016 8:03 am

Here is an email I received this morning from streamhosting in regards to the rate increase.. We need everyone to read it and follow it as it may be our savior...

(This email is sent to all who were Affiliates as of a few days ago.) The first step in moving forward to regain reduced fees by bringing back the Small Webcasters Agreement is here and the time has arrived. While my attorneys continue to work behind the scenes, we webcasters and providers need to unite and start building momentum. This first phase is primarily to get behind a unified group pushing for success and begin telling our story to all who will listen and especially to those who can ultimately influence the outcome.

Four initial steps:

1) I encourage you to send this email to your stream host providers, to other webcasters, anyone else you think of that would get involved.

2) Sign up yourself and encourage your listeners to sign up at http://www.radiodiversity.org/ I may not always promote this website, John Draper, here at StreamLicensing, has a beta version that has been ready for months. However, at this time I think it is wiser to unite with this already recognized group. If as time moves forward we need to use our own website and action page I'll let you know. So I'm encouraging you to move as many as possible to sign up at http://www.radiodiversity.org/  At least one Affiliate also has a good call-to-action website that I maybe sharing in the future.

3) If you haven't already please read the following two articles for more background information. Once you have digested them, please share them with as many as you possibly can: As you know, legislative action is where it will have to go ultimately. http://www.radioworld.com/article/crb-ruling-is-%E2%80%9Ccrushingly-bad-news%E2%80%9D-for-microcasters/277856 and the second article: http://rainnews.com/small-webcasters-enter-the-unknown-of-2016/  As you read, please note that StreamLicensing fees are not being presently based on the CRB/SoundExchange commercial rate. However,  if we don't bring back the Small Webcasters Agreement before the end of the year, our fees will have to increase to the commercial level as shown in these news articles.

4) Putting links to the pages referenced in 2 and 3, above on your websites would be a great help as you promote bringing back the Small Webcasters Fee structure.

We small broadcasters have been hit with two major increases: ASCAP and CRB/SoundExchange. We can't do much about ASCAP other than pay it, but we have the opportunity to bring rates back at least partially to affordable levels. We can do this as we unite and work what is ultimately going to be a legislative process to regain affordable performance fees as administered by SoundExchange.

I won't be able to reply individually to your responses to this email but I want to thank your for all you are doing to help small webcasters have a continued future.

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