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Post by Hardcore Christian on Tue Dec 08, 2015 11:52 pm

Im really disappointed with a new release that came out today.

Fallstar's Future Golden Age

Lyrically the album is just really bad, I mean yes to a certain degree they hold truth and weight, but tell me what you think of these lyrics.

(Some excerpts)

I was born to push against the sorcerers. I was born to mobilize the voice of youth. Shut down down the armories. Shut down down Guantanamo Bay. I'm pissed, pissed, we're forced to pay for drones to airstrike families.
Blessed Jesus, I will follow. I've learned to fight for the rights of all men and the poor. But there's a shaking in my brain. I'm just one man among the millions. Sing. I'm part of one voice that sees we can build a new world.
I can hear you justify your beliefs in war you call it love. I know God above us sees me and I know that he hasn't forgotten my pain, my people, my struggle, my cries. Coming from the mouths of the smallest ones to fortify the bones of the weaker ones.
If f-18's are doves, and M-16's are love, then peace is not at all what I thought it would be... I'm tired of hearing 'bout another bomb. Another drone ripping a family apart. I'm sick of safety at expense of the weak. I hate Democracy speech by Oligarchy regimes. I'm pissed that money is the ruler of man. I'm pissed we're separate and so distracted. I'm pissed that no one ever really cares or understands all blood is our blood. Hate. Hate, but we're calling it love. Love. Love, but it looks like war.
I strike back and rage into the dying of the light. Without an afterlife, I found heaven on the inside. We're at war with the cycles. We're at war with fear inside of us.
Creating like The Creator. I'm such a small man finding my way down a narrow path. I feel my spirit align. I can hear our frequencies harmonize. Now I'm aligning with the stars. I'm aligning with the will of The Most High.

Trust me World Peace is a great thing but when the lead singer says things like this
Also I’m not sure there will be any sort of afterlife or heaven, but I believe we can live in heaven on earth by finding inner peace and harmony with God and man. So I write about that idea here.
Lyrically the song is listing things that I would love to see happen. Kindness to immigrants, end to all wars, and to see all humans embrace the goodness inside of us. It’s reflecting on the scary thought that not everyone wants those things, and praying that we all one day will.


Please dont turn this into a Theo discussion just state your opinion on the lyrics and move on

Or tell me if you bought/and or liked this album

Here are links to lyrics and the commentary from the lead singer on each song
https://fallstarmusic.bandcamp.com/album/future-golden-age

http://idobi.com/editorial/2015/12/track-by-track-fallstar-future-golden-age/
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Post by SpaceGuy on Wed Dec 09, 2015 1:11 am

That is very sad. Fallstar's previous stuff was pretty good, and I really liked their last album. The lyrics sound atrocious.

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Post by Hardcore Christian on Wed Dec 09, 2015 1:16 am

SpaceGuy wrote:That is very sad. Fallstar's previous stuff was pretty good, and I really liked their last album. The lyrics sound atrocious.
Honestly I am very dissapointed, the first like seven songs are all about political stand points and disarming governments,world peace, and letting all the immigrants in.

Then the rest of the songs to me are very New Age, talking about "aligning with The Universe", and what not.

This is my nomination for disappointment of the year

Like really Backdraft is my fave album of 2013 and then they release this political statement.
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Post by eatbugs on Wed Dec 09, 2015 2:03 am

Disappointing.  I'm glad you posted this before I bought it.

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Post by d@v!d on Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:31 am

Hardcore Christian wrote:Im really disappointed with a new release that came out today.

Fallstar's Future Golden Age

Lyrically the album is just really bad, I mean yes to a certain degree they hold truth and weight, but tell me what you think of these lyrics.
You know a band has apostatized when Hardcore Christian takes note....
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Post by Guest on Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:42 am

Bring our boys home. We aren't going to win a war against an enemy that we don't know.

Let Americans arm themselves freely and let's defend our borders.

Let's profile potential terrorists in our own land before putting boots in sand.

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Post by Blake on Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:08 am

You think hes pissed? He used that word so much I was thinking "ok I get it, your upset". Seems he is trying to push an anti-gun agenda and some of his lyrics sound like a Miss America talking. I mean re-read this quote and imagine a blonde miss America saying it on stage "Kindness to immigrants, end to all wars, and to see all humans embrace the goodness inside of us.
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Post by Guest on Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:20 am

If he's anti-gun, that's sad. We need guns to defend ourselves and keep terrorism at bay.
It also seems as though he's given up on God and the Christian doctrines of Heaven and Hell. Universalism is a lie.

But, we still need to bring our soldiers home.

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Post by d@v!d on Wed Dec 09, 2015 11:30 am

Metal Blessing Radio wrote:You think hes pissed? He used that word so much I was thinking "ok I get it, your upset". Seems he is trying to push an anti-gun agenda and some of his lyrics sound like a Miss America talking. I mean re-read this quote and imagine a blonde miss America saying it on stage "Kindness to immigrants, end to all wars, and to see all humans embrace the goodness inside of us.
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Post by eatbugs on Wed Dec 09, 2015 1:49 pm

I don't like political opinions in music (or movies).  Even ones I disagree with usually turn me off.  I think Christians should speak up on issues, I just don't want to hear it in music.  I know this sounds hypocritical since I listen to "Christian music" and a case could be made that that is a giant opinion in itself.  If they want to do it that's fine, I respect their right to do it, I just don't plan to purchase it.

What disturbs me FAR more quotes like "I’m not sure there will be any sort of afterlife or heaven..."  Is this even a Christian band at this point?

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Post by Hardcore Christian on Wed Dec 09, 2015 2:09 pm

d@v!d wrote:
Hardcore Christian wrote:Im really disappointed with a new release that came out today.

Fallstar's Future Golden Age

Lyrically the album is just really bad, I mean yes to a certain degree they hold truth and weight, but tell me what you think of these lyrics.
You know a band has apostatized when Hardcore Christian takes note....
I pay attention to all lyrics for your iinformation David Razz
Metal Blessing Radio wrote:You think hes pissed? He used that word so much I was thinking "ok I get it, your upset". Seems he is trying to push an anti-gun agenda and some of his lyrics sound like a Miss America talking. I mean re-read this quote and imagine a blonde miss America saying it on stage "Kindness to immigrants, end to all wars, and to see all humans embrace the goodness inside of us.
Yea he used pissed a ton, it got annoying. And yes exactly Miss America lol!
eatbugs wrote:What disturbs me FAR more quotes like "I’m not sure there will be any sort of afterlife or heaven..."  Is this even a Christian band at this point?
That statement completely put me off of this album, especially then going back and looking at the previous lyrics about, "The Universe, and aligning with the stars, and a Future Golden Age" very New Age


Honestly, they are from Portland so over the past two years since Backdraft it looks like the political scene there has majorly effected them, its sad to say but I wont be pre ordering any of theirs in the future without reading lyrics first.

Its even worse cause Im one of the 160 people who backed it, and I got my picture in the album liners, at least I ordered their whole discography so I will have their older stuff to look forward to.
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Post by d@v!d on Wed Dec 09, 2015 3:33 pm

Hardcore Christian wrote:
d@v!d wrote:
Hardcore Christian wrote:Im really disappointed with a new release that came out today.

Fallstar's Future Golden Age

Lyrically the album is just really bad, I mean yes to a certain degree they hold truth and weight, but tell me what you think of these lyrics.
You know a band has apostatized when Hardcore Christian takes note....
I pay attention to all lyrics for your iinformation David Razz
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Post by Hardcore Christian on Wed Dec 09, 2015 6:29 pm

What scares me more is that from what I have seen Im the only one, out of their fans, that has mentioned anything about the lyrics
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Post by SpaceGuy on Wed Dec 09, 2015 6:39 pm

Hardcore Christian wrote:What scares me more is that from what I have seen Im the only one, out of their fans, that has mentioned anything about the lyrics

I'd venture to say 90% of people, even Christian metal fans don't care much about lyrics.. A lot of bands' lyrics have gone downhill, but they rarely get called out on it.

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Post by Guest on Wed Dec 09, 2015 7:46 pm

While I feel it's totally acceptable, and for me even part of the appeal for hardcore is to address social and political issues, these lyrics come off as immature, for lack of a better term. A band like Ignite doesn't annoy me in the least.

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Post by Hardcore Christian on Wed Dec 09, 2015 9:51 pm

spitshockey81 wrote: part of the appeal for hardcore is to address social and political issues
Thats true I like that they approach good subjects on the songs Slaves and Radio
(all the others are from a liberal approach)
but honestly they could approach them better For Today did a great job addressing slavery with Fight The Silence
Im surprised that Fallstar said nothing about abortion but never mind lets not make this too political. Razz
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Post by eatbugs on Thu Dec 10, 2015 2:07 am

SpaceGuy wrote:
Hardcore Christian wrote:What scares me more is that from what I have seen Im the only one, out of their fans, that has mentioned anything about the lyrics

I'd venture to say 90% of people, even Christian metal fans don't care much about lyrics.. A lot of bands' lyrics have gone downhill, but they rarely get called out on it.

True.  I AM a lyrics guy but often I'll buy an album lyrically sight unseen, especially from an established band like Fallstar or As I Lay Dying.  By the time I read the lyrics it's too late.

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Post by Blake on Thu Dec 10, 2015 9:36 am

SpaceGuy wrote:
Hardcore Christian wrote:What scares me more is that from what I have seen Im the only one, out of their fans, that has mentioned anything about the lyrics

I'd venture to say 90% of people, even Christian metal fans don't care much about lyrics.. A lot of bands' lyrics have gone downhill, but they rarely get called out on it.

This is sadly true. While we listen to Christian music because it uplifts Christ a lot of us don't bother checking lyrics. We take everyones word that a band is Christian. I am glad im not the only person who actually cares about what I am putting into my mind
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Post by SpaceGuy on Thu Dec 10, 2015 11:06 am

Metal Blessing Radio wrote:
SpaceGuy wrote:
Hardcore Christian wrote:What scares me more is that from what I have seen Im the only one, out of their fans, that has mentioned anything about the lyrics

I'd venture to say 90% of people, even Christian metal fans don't care much about lyrics.. A lot of bands' lyrics have gone downhill, but they rarely get called out on it.

This is sadly true. While we listen to Christian music because it uplifts Christ a lot of us don't bother checking lyrics. We take everyones word that a band is Christian. I am glad im not the only person who actually cares about what I am putting into my mind

One of the most notable things I've seen in Christian Metal from the very early days until now is how watered down the lyrics are. That isn't to say that every song needs to be in-your-face Jesus, but instead of music having Jesus/Christ as a central focus, its certainly moved more onto "Positive living" and such. Of course, bands can and have addressed social issues early on (Ark of Suffering by Tourniquet comes to mind), but the composition of most music has changed vastly. 

Personally, I think that's the worst thing about modern Christian music - the absence of Christ as a central focus. That isn't to say that some bands still make Him and/or Biblical subjects the focus, but in metalcore/modern metal, its kind of rare to have a band that is in-your-face Jesus anymore.

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Post by Guest on Thu Dec 10, 2015 11:46 am

One of my biggest problems with Christian music as a whole was the whole in your face sugar coated Jesus lyrics.  To me it made me feel like they were out of touch or I was not normal for feeling things I felt (such as depression). Nobody sang about anything "Real, everyday stuff" the exception was Deliverance, specifically "Learn" which is why this album has such a profound influence on me because Jimmy was writing and singing about real things. Real pain, real hardships.nothing was candy coated.

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Post by Guest on Thu Dec 10, 2015 4:13 pm

Aaron C wrote:One of my biggest problems with Christian music as a whole was the whole in your face sugar coated Jesus lyrics.  To me it made me feel like they were out of touch or I was not normal for feeling things I felt (such as depression). Nobody sang about anything "Real, everyday stuff" the exception was Deliverance, specifically "Learn" which is why this album has such a profound influence on me because Jimmy was writing and singing about real things. Real pain, real hardships.nothing was candy coated.

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Good post dude! I agree wholeheartedly! I was raised with Christian music only ... and I remember when I first got into secular music, I was amazed at how uplifted I felt ... as a Christian youth. Because they were speaking about honest everyday stuff ... instead of all this 'preachy' stuff.






I love Jesus, but I think He is tired of us 'playing around' at church and what not. He's a real person as well as God. He's not fake ... into this Sunday School drool. Sometimes secular music speaks more to a person's heart than sugar coated 'Jesus Marshmellow Metal'. That is why I love bands like Trouble and King's X - who have Christians in the band ... but they can sing about real stuff. They are not 'expected' to be all preachy and what not.


Even though I'm a Christian, I don't like being preached at. Nobody really does ... unless they are asleep in marshmellow land.

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Post by Guest on Thu Dec 10, 2015 4:16 pm

But back to the topic at hand.

I like secular lyrics sometimes moreso than Christian lyrics.

However, I do not like stupid and dumb lyrics.

The lyrics in this thread are just that. Stupid and dumb. Good call Hardcore. Good call.

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Oh ... and I'm a Christian Democrat. Still think these lyrics are dumb!!!

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Post by Hardcore Christian on Thu Dec 10, 2015 5:12 pm

RavenWolf wrote:Oh ... and I'm a Christian Democrat. Still think these lyrics are dumb!!!
That defnetly shows how bad Portland is lol!
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Post by Guest on Thu Dec 10, 2015 5:50 pm

Hardcore Christian wrote:
RavenWolf wrote:Oh ... and I'm a Christian Democrat. Still think these lyrics are dumb!!!
That defnetly shows how bad Portland is lol!




Portland?




I'm Democrat, but I'm also very conservative on many issues. I'm anti-abortion and anti-gay marriage. But I'm a Democrat for reasons that far supercede these two issues. It's basically a 'lesser of two evils' kinda thing.


I'm actually not truly a Democrat, but a Libertarian. However, since we've had no luck in the Libertarian party over the past years ... I've decided to basically vote Democrat ... since Bush's America came tumbling down ... the greed and the evil in the Republican party is unparalleled. Not meaning to debate though ...


Moving on ... yeah these lyrics are very juvenile sounding to me. Very whiny and complainy too.

I like strong lyrics like Trouble write for example. Still talking about God ... but all of the real life issues too. It's just real. I like real.

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Post by d@v!d on Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:15 pm

OK Hardcore, this thread has gone on 2 days now and you still have confessed to chopping down the cherry tree. Your testimony is becoming dubious...
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Post by Candlemass on Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:18 pm

Who?
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Post by Hardcore Christian on Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:24 pm

RavenWolf wrote:Portland?
Thats where Fallstar is from, I mentioned it above, but no I wasnt commenting on you. Just that Portland is very liberal.
d@v!d wrote:OK Hardcore, this thread has gone on 2 days now and you still have confessed to chopping down the cherry tree. Your testimony is becoming dubious...
What? scratch
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Post by Kerrick on Thu Dec 10, 2015 7:43 pm

Aww c'mon, you guys weren't taught about George Washington in school?  (Though upon looking it up again, it seems it wasn't true... which is ironic.)

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Post by Hardcore Christian on Thu Dec 10, 2015 8:32 pm

Kerrick wrote:Aww c'mon, you guys weren't taught about George Washington in school?  (Though upon looking it up again, it seems it wasn't true... which is ironic.)
I know about the cherry tree I was just confused on what it applied to in this thread and what he meant by my testimony being dubious
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Post by Kerrick on Fri Dec 11, 2015 12:17 pm

I think he was referring to the title of "not gonna lie."  Wink

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Post by ThomasEversole on Fri Dec 11, 2015 2:26 pm

I'll be the first to second that Christian music should have bold and unmistakable Christian lyrics.  

Even though the following quote is in context to Christian black metal, and obviously the jabbing perspective of someone unsaved from a misanthropic black/death metal band, its still clear that even someone like this agrees that Christian music shouldn't have lyrics that beat around the bush.

“And I’ll set the record straight for pro-Jesus music, if it’s gonna be pro-Jesus fine, make me fear His wrath to the point where I sh*t my pants or make me want to hang myself for Him. Don’t be passive about it. This is the cold intent black metal is founded on, you either got it or you don’t got it."
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Post by sentient 6 on Fri Dec 11, 2015 5:21 pm

Lets just say that Fallstar is a secular band and the lyrics will seem more consistent with their worldview. Twisted Evil
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Post by Hardcore Christian on Fri Dec 11, 2015 6:04 pm

Kerrick wrote:I think he was referring to the title of "not gonna lie."  Wink
I completely forgot I named it that Razz
ThomasEversole wrote:I'll be the first to second that Christian music should have bold and unmistakable Christian lyrics. 
I agree, but I still listen to quite a few bands who arent obviously Christian but you can tell/know that the members are
sentient 6 wrote:Lets just say that Fallstar is a secular band and the lyrics will seem more consistent with their worldview. Twisted Evil
Basically, their older releases will be some of my favorite ever but Ill just have to be weary of future releases No
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Post by Guest on Fri Dec 11, 2015 6:33 pm

ThomasEversole wrote:I'll be the first to second that Christian music should have bold and unmistakable Christian lyrics.  

Even though the following quote is in context to Christian black metal, and obviously the jabbing perspective of someone unsaved from a misanthropic black/death metal band, its still clear that even someone like this agrees that Christian music shouldn't have lyrics that beat around the bush.

“And I’ll set the record straight for pro-Jesus music, if it’s gonna be pro-Jesus fine, make me fear His wrath to the point where I sh*t my pants or make me want to hang myself for Him. Don’t be passive about it. This is the cold intent black metal is founded on, you either got it or you don’t got it."
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That's true about Black Metal. It's a very extreme style and the lyrics need to back that up. I agree.

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Post by Gorship on Sat Dec 12, 2015 2:49 am

ThomasEversole wrote:I'll be the first to second that Christian music should have bold and unmistakable Christian lyrics.  

Even though the following quote is in context to Christian black metal, and obviously the jabbing perspective of someone unsaved from a misanthropic black/death metal band, its still clear that even someone like this agrees that Christian music shouldn't have lyrics that beat around the bush.

“And I’ll set the record straight for pro-Jesus music, if it’s gonna be pro-Jesus fine, make me fear His wrath to the point where I sh*t my pants or make me want to hang myself for Him. Don’t be passive about it. This is the cold intent black metal is founded on, you either got it or you don’t got it."
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"But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven." Ma 10:33

not saying every song has to explicitly be about Salvation, but if your saved from eternity in torment. You think you could make it a little more than "vague" in your lyrics.
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Post by sentient 6 on Sat Dec 12, 2015 5:56 pm

Gorship wrote:
not saying every song has to explicitly be about Salvation, but if your saved from eternity in torment. You think you could make it a little more than "vague" in your lyrics.

There is sooo much in the Word of God that a Christian could write about that would encourage Christians and magnify the Glory of God. So much so, that they would never run out of inspiration for God-exalting songs.
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Post by Ugly on Sun Dec 13, 2015 3:12 am

I remember their first release. Watching the lyric video and having a problem with things i saw and read. Even showed it to a friend who agreed with all the complaints i had. So i don't think it's anything new.
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Post by Hardcore Christian on Sun Dec 13, 2015 3:38 am

Can this thread be locked please

Nothing against anyone, Im just tired of being reminded of the bummer of this release Neutral
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Post by Fundy on Sun Dec 13, 2015 4:13 am

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Post by sadvader on Sun Dec 13, 2015 8:10 am

Sometimes I have to wonder why worldpeace is what Christians want to stand for and in a way it's right. Jesus wants us to be peaceful and to receive his peace but on the other hand the Bible tells us that there will be persecution and tribulation and a huge war in the end. So there goes world peace. So that is one point and the other seems to be some kind of a trend in some bands that lets 'em water down their message for many reasons. It is sad to see that. Sad to se brothers and sisters stumble. But it happens once in a while, it is only human and it requires strength to straighten up and go on. Well, I didn't add much new here, right? The real answer would be prayer for such bands to be refreshed in the spirit.
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Post by d@v!d on Sun Dec 13, 2015 10:51 am

sentient 6 wrote:
Gorship wrote:
not saying every song has to explicitly be about Salvation, but if your saved from eternity in torment. You think you could make it a little more than "vague" in your lyrics.

There is sooo much in the Word of God that a Christian could write about that would encourage Christians and magnify the Glory of God. So much so, that they would never run out of inspiration for God-exalting songs.
So true.
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Re: Not Gonna Lie

Post by d@v!d on Sun Dec 13, 2015 10:54 am

Hardcore Christian wrote:Can this thread be locked please

Nothing against anyone, Im just tired of being reminded of the bummer of this release Neutral
Here, let me help you.

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Re: Not Gonna Lie

Post by Hardcore Christian on Sun Dec 13, 2015 12:15 pm

d@v!d wrote:
Hardcore Christian wrote:Can this thread be locked please

Nothing against anyone, Im just tired of being reminded of the bummer of this release Neutral
Here, let me help you.

Roger Martinez

Dale Thompson

Ted Kirkpatrick....
lol! lol! lol! lol! lol!
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Re: Not Gonna Lie

Post by Hardcore Christian on Sun Dec 13, 2015 3:33 pm

So no mods check this thread anymore??????

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Lets start a Theo Realm in here

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whos up first?


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Re: Not Gonna Lie

Post by Kerrick on Sun Dec 13, 2015 3:43 pm

Alright guys, sorry...  I've been away from a computer for the last while.  Locked, per your request.

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