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Post by Soldier777 on Tue Oct 13, 2015 8:35 pm

Would you buy these remasters... released by Retroactive Records if you already have a previous version of these:


 Whitecross Nineteen Eighty Seven 2015 Gold Edition

1. Who Will You Follow
2. Enough is Enough
3. He is the Rock
4. Looking for a Reason
5. No Way I'm Going Down
6. Seeing is Believing
7. All I Need
8. Nagasake
9. Signs of the End
10. Love on the Line
11. Animate
12. Angel Wings

 Boodgood Rock In A Hard Place (2015 Edition) - 4 panel digipak

1. Shakin' It
2. Never Be the Same
3. Presence
4. What Have I Done?
5. Heaven on Earth
6. Do or Die
7. She's Gone
8. World (Keeps Movin' Around)
9. Seven

 Boodgood Out OF The Darkness (2015 Edition) - 4 panel digipak
1. Out of the Darkness
2. Let My People Go
3. America
4. It's Alright
5. Top Of the Mountain
6. Hey! You
7. Mad Do World
8. Changing Me
9. New Age Illusion

I have the 2005 version of Nineteen Eighty Seven with the black background. I may get this where eventually it will be out of print and a collectors item. For the Bloodgood releases, I may get it. I have already got the 2 for 1 KMG version of the first 4 albums.  It would have to be drastically improved for me to be interested.
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Post by Hardcore Christian on Tue Oct 13, 2015 11:36 pm

Out Of The Darkness would be a great buy
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Post by eatbugs on Wed Oct 14, 2015 1:07 am

As a rule I don't buy re-masters if I already have a previous version.  I would be willing to get Out of the Darkness to replace my old cassette with a CD.  It would be nice to hear bass in Rock In a Hard Place too, but it's hard to justify the expense for music I already have.

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Post by Follower of Jesus on Wed Oct 14, 2015 4:24 am

I pretty much don't buy reissues of albums I already have unless there are substantial improvements to the sound.

'1987' was just recorded 10 years ago, so there's no way they made improvements sufficient to justify purchasing that one again.

'Rock In A Hard Place' needs to be REMIXED so that you can hear the bass. I don't know if the original bass track is available to be mixed in, but if not, I wish Michael Bloodgood would re-record the bass lines and then remix the album to have a good bass sound. It might be my favorite BG album if not for the lack of bass issue.
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Post by Thiago-Brazil on Wed Oct 14, 2015 6:53 am

I might purchase all of them, but I am pretty satisfied with my 2005 version of 1987.

On the other hand, I am willing to get the Bloodgood rereleases. I love both of these albuns and I really want to know how much the sound can be improved. I only have that KMG 2 in 1 version just as Soldier777, and I would love to have this new version. I am waiting for this since it was announced by Milennium Records, a few years ago.

FoJ, I am wondering if retroactive records could solve this bass problem on Rock in a Hard Place. From what I heard, the bass track was deleted.
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Post by Guest on Wed Oct 14, 2015 7:26 am

As a rule I don't buy re-masters if I already have a previous version.

This is me too, I would get Rock in a Hard Place as i had this on cassette 25 years ago but I have Whitecross' self titled debut (pure metal release) and Out of the Darkness on CD already and quite content.

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Post by alldatndensum on Wed Oct 14, 2015 8:45 am

I'd definitely get the Bloodgood remasters as I believe these are the ones that Cliffy did a few years back for IMR before they folded.

With the Whitecross, I really don't need another copy.  However, is that "Angel Wings" a new song?  I don't recognize that.  If it is new Whitecross music, then I would definitely snag this.
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Post by Guest on Wed Oct 14, 2015 8:48 am

Id be more apt to buy new tracks on Itunes than purchase another copy... With the rerelease of River Distrubance I bought I Thought off Itunes, Didnt need a 2nd copy of a CD I already have

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Post by messiaen77 on Wed Oct 14, 2015 9:07 am

alldatndensum wrote:I'd definitely get the Bloodgood remasters as I believe these are the ones that Cliffy did a few years back for IMR before they folded.

With the Whitecross, I really don't need another copy.  However, is that "Angel Wings" a new song?  I don't recognize that.  If it is new Whitecross music, then I would definitely snag this.
Cliffy's work on RIAHP is really good.  It was nice to have some bass in there.
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Post by Deepfriar on Wed Oct 14, 2015 9:09 am

I'll buy the Whitecross re-record because I never got around to getting the 2005 version.
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Post by Guest on Wed Oct 14, 2015 10:17 am

alldatndensum wrote:I'd definitely get the Bloodgood remasters as I believe these are the ones that Cliffy did a few years back for IMR before they folded.

With the Whitecross, I really don't need another copy.  However, is that "Angel Wings" a new song?  I don't recognize that.  If it is new Whitecross music, then I would definitely snag this.


I am pretty sure that it is just the added guitar track that Matt mentioned..

"re-recorded with a new bonus guitar solo"

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Post by Marcus Moore on Wed Oct 14, 2015 1:25 pm

Im buying the bloodgood for sure, both my son and I love those guys and yes, the whitecross.. well because i dont own that one..  Very Happy
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Post by Marcus Moore on Wed Oct 14, 2015 1:28 pm

As far as RIAHP's bass...why not pull an x sinner and over lay bass lines on top the old one?
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Post by Hardcore Christian on Wed Oct 14, 2015 4:03 pm

To clarify I do not own Out Of The Darkness, yet it is my favorite Bloodgood release so I would pounce on the opportunity to buy it
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Post by Guest on Wed Oct 14, 2015 4:30 pm

For some reason, I always thought "Rock in a Hard Place" was a superior Bloodgood release. Even with the original production. It's actually my favorite Bloodgood album, with "Detonation" a close second. The songs are very deep and meaningful. And though it's a softer Bloodgood album, I always loved it. Played it into the ground back in the day. On cassette.

And yes, I'd buy all of these releases. And I probably will.

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Post by pathogenics_cloned_twin83 on Wed Oct 14, 2015 6:32 pm

Remasters are cool and all, and I'm glad they're getting them back out so people who've never heard 'em can have the chance, but since I already have the originals I don't feel the need to get them. Plus I like having the original pressings as opposed to re-releases, just me personally.
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Post by force perspective on Wed Oct 14, 2015 8:18 pm

there is no need for Whitecross 1987 re-release. 

But i will the Bloodgood remasters if its remastered by Cliffy. Honestly i don't care for others that try to remaster. just my opinion.
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Post by TMLMKE on Wed Oct 14, 2015 9:17 pm

I'd get all of them
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Post by Thiago-Brazil on Wed Oct 14, 2015 9:18 pm

For those who haven't purchased 1987, I highly recommend it. It totally worth it.
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Post by metaldude on Thu Oct 15, 2015 9:26 am

This is a little off topic, but does anyone know if Detonation has ever been reworked? It's a landmark album, IMO, but the sound was a little thin, especially the guitars.
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Post by Thiago-Brazil on Thu Oct 15, 2015 11:33 am

metaldude wrote:This is a little off topic, but does anyone know if Detonation has ever been reworked? It's a landmark album, IMO, but the sound was a little thin, especially the guitars.
Detonatin and S/t album were rereleased by Intense Millenium records a few years ago.
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Post by Guest on Thu Oct 15, 2015 11:44 am

Thiago-Brazil wrote:For those who haven't purchased 1987, I highly recommend it. It totally worth it.
I bought mine in the early 90s when it was just a S/T good album strong songs I am glad they redid it only in the sense to put it out there as at the time the original release was quite rare. I am one of the few who feel that they didnt need to change anything on that album and by re-recording it IMO I feel like they raped a good album

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Post by MikeInFla on Thu Oct 15, 2015 12:37 pm

Aaron C wrote:
Thiago-Brazil wrote:For those who haven't purchased 1987, I highly recommend it. It totally worth it.
I bought mine in the early 90s when it was just a S/T good album strong songs I am glad they redid it only in the sense to put it out there as at the time the original release was quite rare. I am one of the few who feel that they didnt need to change anything on that album and by re-recording it IMO I feel like they raped a good album
I own both but prefer the 2005 version. Much better production and better sound at least to me. But as for these reissues I won't be buying again, don't need them.
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Post by grandeped on Sat Oct 17, 2015 2:59 am

Rock in a Hard Place is the only Bloodgood I don't own on CD, so yes for that. Out of the Darkness I probably will, just because it needed a better mix. I never really liked the mix on 1987, so if that has been improved, I probably would.

What I don't get is the just announced Roxx re-issues. Deliverance on CD again? Why? I get Angelica and Master's Command on CD, but I have never read anyone requesting them on vinyl. They just seem to be kind of low on the desired vinyl pecking order. I kind of see Deliverance on vinyl, because I have noticed many people requesting that. But all of that at once? The Christian metal re-issue market is fairly limited, and doing that is going to bleed it dry pretty fast.

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Post by lowjax on Tue Oct 27, 2015 3:17 pm

My wife isn't going to be happy.  I haven't been here to the CMR in probably 5 years (or longer?).  Left not long after the great hacking on ezboards.  Anyway, I had to sign up for a new account and within 2 days of me re-joining, I have 4 new albums on the way from Retroactive.  This thread sparked it.  I picked up "Rock in a Hard Place" and "Nineteen Eighty Seven" as well as "Lex Metalis" from Ult and the boys and "That Was Then, This Is Now" from The Rex Carroll Band.

Not a lot of familiar faces, but a few of you guys still here.

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Post by Pershing1134 on Wed Oct 28, 2015 1:20 am

lowjax wrote:My wife isn't going to be happy.  I haven't been here to the CMR in probably 5 years (or longer?).  Left not long after the great hacking on ezboards.  Anyway, I had to sign up for a new account and within 2 days of me re-joining, I have 4 new albums on the way from Retroactive.  This thread sparked it.  I picked up "Rock in a Hard Place" and "Nineteen Eighty Seven" as well as "Lex Metalis" from Ult and the boys and "That Was Then, This Is Now" from The Rex Carroll Band.

Not a lot of familiar faces, but a few of you guys still here.

Welcome back to the CMR lowjax!
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Post by Thiago-Brazil on Wed Oct 28, 2015 4:32 am

grandeped wrote:Rock in a Hard Place is the only Bloodgood I don't own on CD, so yes for that. Out of the Darkness I probably will, just because it needed a better mix. I never really liked the mix on 1987, so if that has been improved, I probably would.

What I don't get is the just announced Roxx re-issues. Deliverance on CD again? Why? I get Angelica and Master's Command on CD, but I have never read anyone requesting them on vinyl. They just seem to be kind of low on the desired vinyl pecking order. I kind of see Deliverance on vinyl, because I have noticed many people requesting that. But all of that at once? The Christian metal re-issue market is fairly limited, and doing that is going to bleed it dry pretty fast.
I guess Deliverance is one of the greatest sellers in christian market. Far beyond Stryper, but they don't have their albums stuck in some label.

I remember in 2008 Deliverance and Weapons were rereleased. I wanted it, but I could never buy it. Once this project gets funded, I won't let it pass again, for sure.

BTW, same thing about these Bloodgood reissues. I will love to hear it remastered.
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Post by Deepfriar on Wed Oct 28, 2015 6:26 am

This might be a stupid question but where is Retroactive's website/webstore? I tried to find it last night and both Retroactive's and Bombworks' websites appear to be down. Have they moved?
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Post by Guest on Wed Oct 28, 2015 7:58 am

Thiago-Brazil wrote:
grandeped wrote:Rock in a Hard Place is the only Bloodgood I don't own on CD, so yes for that. Out of the Darkness I probably will, just because it needed a better mix. I never really liked the mix on 1987, so if that has been improved, I probably would.

What I don't get is the just announced Roxx re-issues. Deliverance on CD again? Why? I get Angelica and Master's Command on CD, but I have never read anyone requesting them on vinyl. They just seem to be kind of low on the desired vinyl pecking order. I kind of see Deliverance on vinyl, because I have noticed many people requesting that. But all of that at once? The Christian metal re-issue market is fairly limited, and doing that is going to bleed it dry pretty fast.
I guess Deliverance is one of the greatest sellers in christian market. Far beyond Stryper, but they don't have their albums stuck in some label.

I remember in 2008 Deliverance and Weapons were rereleased. I wanted it, but I could never buy it. Once this project gets funded, I won't let it pass again, for sure.

BTW, same thing about these Bloodgood reissues. I will love to hear it remastered.


What makes you think Deliverance outsells Stryper? 

I would think Stryper would demolish Deliverance in sales......

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Post by Guest on Wed Oct 28, 2015 8:24 am

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I have the 2005 version of Nineteen Eighty Seven with the black background. I may get this where eventually it will be out of print and a collectors item. 


I think the "collectible" market for Christian 80's/hair metal is about to fall through the floor pretty soon.

I have been noticing that a lot of the items just aren't picking up the kind of dollars they used to. 

There is a rapidly shrinking fan base, as I think the "revival" for 80's bands was fleeting in the Christian market. It's still going strong in the secular market because so many of the bands are back and releasing quality albums, and TOURING. Other than Stryper, what Christian 80s band has done ANY serious touring. Touring is vital to stimulate interest, and the Christian bands just don't do it. Mostly because of the aforementioned "rapidly shrinking fan base". So they can't generate enough interest to get concert dates, which then in turn hurts them even more because they aren't getting the exposure. It's a vicious circle..lol

When a label can re-issue something, limit it to 500 or less copies, and still have some to sell years later, you know the market is not strong.

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Post by Guest on Wed Oct 28, 2015 9:18 am

Aaron C wrote:
As a rule I don't buy re-masters if I already have a previous version.

This is me too, I would get Rock in a Hard Place as i had this on cassette 25 years ago but I have Whitecross' self titled debut (pure metal release) and Out of the Darkness on CD already and quite content.

Nineteen Eighty-Seven is a vastly different experience than Whitecross' s/t debut. It is a re-recording, not just a remaster. It is worth picking up if you don't have the 2005 version.

Don't forget, the Nineteen Eighty-Seven release is the only Whitecross album that has Love On The Line on it.

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Post by lowjax on Wed Oct 28, 2015 11:23 am

Pershing1134 wrote:
lowjax wrote:My wife isn't going to be happy.  I haven't been here to the CMR in probably 5 years (or longer?).  Left not long after the great hacking on ezboards.  Anyway, I had to sign up for a new account and within 2 days of me re-joining, I have 4 new albums on the way from Retroactive.  This thread sparked it.  I picked up "Rock in a Hard Place" and "Nineteen Eighty Seven" as well as "Lex Metalis" from Ult and the boys and "That Was Then, This Is Now" from The Rex Carroll Band.

Not a lot of familiar faces, but a few of you guys still here.

Welcome back to the CMR lowjax!

Thanks!  Seems to be very slow here compared to back in the day.  No Ult, Arttie, UncleSaxon, Tykkus Guys, GW, Tink, and alot of others I used to know.  But, looks like there are still some good people here. Alldat is still poking around I see.  Smile

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Post by Thiago-Brazil on Wed Oct 28, 2015 11:58 am

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Thiago-Brazil wrote:
grandeped wrote:Rock in a Hard Place is the only Bloodgood I don't own on CD, so yes for that. Out of the Darkness I probably will, just because it needed a better mix. I never really liked the mix on 1987, so if that has been improved, I probably would.

What I don't get is the just announced Roxx re-issues. Deliverance on CD again? Why? I get Angelica and Master's Command on CD, but I have never read anyone requesting them on vinyl. They just seem to be kind of low on the desired vinyl pecking order. I kind of see Deliverance on vinyl, because I have noticed many people requesting that. But all of that at once? The Christian metal re-issue market is fairly limited, and doing that is going to bleed it dry pretty fast.
I guess Deliverance is one of the greatest sellers in christian market. Far beyond Stryper, but they don't have their albums stuck in some label.

I remember in 2008 Deliverance and Weapons were rereleased. I wanted it, but I could never buy it. Once this project gets funded, I won't let it pass again, for sure.

BTW, same thing about these Bloodgood reissues. I will love to hear it remastered.


What makes you think Deliverance outsells Stryper? 

I would think Stryper would demolish Deliverance in sales......
Sorry, I guess I didn't make my point properly.

Stryper is the most popular christian band ever (when it regards to heavy metal, hard rock) and it looks like they are still selling lots of albums out there.

That's why I don't think any label such as Roxx Records and Retroactive Records could rerelease any of the Stryper albums as some major labels own the right of their music and they wouldn't allow another label to rerelease it, unless you can pay them a huge amount of money. (same for Petra)

So, as Stryper is out of the table, then I think Deliverance, Bloodgood and Tourniquet along with a couple more bands are the biggest sellers in christian metal, to the point that is more profitable to rereleease these bands albums instead of assuming some risks with other bands, even though there are tons of great music out there that deserve a remaster.
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Post by BlackCowl on Wed Oct 28, 2015 6:21 pm

Would love to see reissues of some crimson thorn groms or discern. Then I wouldn't get gouged trying to buy them.  Very Happy
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Post by Deepfriar on Wed Oct 28, 2015 6:35 pm

Hmm Google has the wrong web address.

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Post by elparanorman on Thu Oct 29, 2015 6:07 am

I don't buy remasters unless they have something which is an improvement of their previous effort like Theocracy adding real drums to their self titled album or an album is both out of print and not being sold by any 3rd party sellers on ebay or amazon. That's happened to me quite a few times actually but, I eventually got lucky and bought some of those CD's for more than $40.
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Post by Guest on Thu Oct 29, 2015 11:32 pm

Deepfriar wrote:
Hmm Google has the wrong web address.

Thanks for the links, helped a bunch!


No problem  Smile

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Post by Guest on Fri Oct 30, 2015 12:26 am

I wish someone would reissue Rage of Angels.

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Post by Soldier777 on Sat Oct 31, 2015 8:38 pm

I will definetly buy the Bloodgood Rock In a Hard Place and Out of the Darkness of I can sell the KMG 2 for 1
version and the version for the first 2 albums Bloodgood and Detonation for $30-35 US including shipping. I would also get the latest remastered version of the first 2 Bloodgood albums. PM me if anyone is interested.
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Post by Guest on Sat Oct 31, 2015 9:13 pm

I ordered the remastered Bloodgood even though I already have the originals plus the remastered mp3 that was offered here a while ago.

I will pass on the Whitecross cd. I have the 2005 reissue and I don't see how it could be really improved by just remastering. The added track is an instrumental from what I understand and I could care less about it.

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Post by pathogenics_cloned_twin83 on Mon Nov 02, 2015 7:11 am

BlackCowl wrote:Would love to see reissues of some crimson thorn groms or discern. Then I wouldn't get gouged trying to buy them.  Very Happy

Agreed. GROMS seriously needs a reissue. 

Thankfully I think the Crimson Thorn stuff is slated for re-issue soon.
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