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Post by Guest on Tue Aug 18, 2015 7:07 pm

Thanks for all the recommendations... Can't wait to get home and check them out

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Post by Thiago-Brazil on Wed Aug 19, 2015 6:38 am

He Already Left wrote:Thiago, 

I have always liked talking with you in the forum, so this isn't personal. But I gotta tell you, I really don't understand some of your responses to my comment. 

"A" level bands in the secular world are not the same as what is considered A level talent in Christian music. Most "A" level Christian bands are usually considered no more than B level or C level talent in the secular world. 

Anyway, you can disagree all you want..that's what a forum is about.

To go one step further...I now think a lot of rock / metal (secular or Christian)  is inferior music when compared to the big picture. This was actually where my mind was when I started off this thread.

Having finally taken the time to broaden my world and listen to some jazz, orchestra pieces and some classic music, I find there is an element in that style that makes me view a lot of rock and metal as nothing more than annoying noise. Like a child banging on pots and pans.

Not saying I will stop listening to or even loving some rock / metal bands, I'm just saying that even though I still like a lot of it I no longer believe it is a superior form of music.
Well, I wouldn't say that metal is superior...

I would just say that jazz and other stuff just don't make my boat float. Good you are discovering new styles, though.

Regarding my last comments, I just thought some of your arguments fits in the context "Level A" bands versus other level bands, instead Secular metal versus Christian metal. I mean, a different context. 
I see now that you consider any christian band at a level no higher than "level B", but this is not necessarily a true statement, is based on your opinion.

Anyway, just as you had, I guess I have made my opinion pretty clear: Big band is not a synonym of better band.
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Post by Guest on Wed Aug 19, 2015 7:58 am

Just keep in mind that I used the phrasing "a lot of" throughout my conversation.......

I never said "all"...

So there are bands that I believe are the exception

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Post by messiaen77 on Wed Aug 19, 2015 10:13 am

Rock is a really simple genre musically speaking until you get into proggy styles.  I don't say that as a negative, just a reality.  It developed as a practical music--dance music.  That seems to be an overriding idea--music that exists for its own purpose is more complex than music that exists for something else.  Even in jazz, look at the difference between say swing like Glen Miller or Benny Goodman (even to a large degree Ellington and Basie) vs. bebop like Bird and Dizzy.  The swing is much simpler music at least in part because it was created to give people something to dance to whereas bebop developed at a time when nightclub owners were replacing their dance floors with additional seating because they realized that more butts in seats buying drinks would make them more money and that the having a big empty space was really lost revenue.  Even in classical music, you have the "light classics" and then you have the Bachs and Beethovens.  Even Mozart, who as a melodic genius is perhaps the most accessible of the great masters, could create complex frameworks for those tuneful melodies and present them in some creative and clever ways.
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Post by Guest on Wed Aug 19, 2015 11:07 am

messiaen77 wrote:Rock is a really simple genre musically speaking until you get into proggy styles.  I don't say that as a negative, just a reality.  It developed as a practical music--dance music.  That seems to be an overriding idea--music that exists for its own purpose is more complex than music that exists for something else.  Even in jazz, look at the difference between say swing like Glen Miller or Benny Goodman (even to a large degree Ellington and Basie) vs. bebop like Bird and Dizzy.  The swing is much simpler music at least in part because it was created to give people something to dance to whereas bebop developed at a time when nightclub owners were replacing their dance floors with additional seating because they realized that more butts in seats buying drinks would make them more money and that the having a big empty space was really lost revenue.  Even in classical music, you have the "light classics" and then you have the Bachs and Beethovens.  Even Mozart, who as a melodic genius is perhaps the most accessible of the great masters, could create complex frameworks for those tuneful melodies and present them in some creative and clever ways.


Very good insight...thanks for posting

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Post by Throne of thorns on Wed Aug 19, 2015 8:17 pm

messiaen77 wrote:Rock is a really simple genre musically speaking until you get into proggy styles.  I don't say that as a negative, just a reality.  It developed as a practical music--dance music.  That seems to be an overriding idea--music that exists for its own purpose is more complex than music that exists for something else.  Even in jazz, look at the difference between say swing like Glen Miller or Benny Goodman (even to a large degree Ellington and Basie) vs. bebop like Bird and Dizzy.  The swing is much simpler music at least in part because it was created to give people something to dance to whereas bebop developed at a time when nightclub owners were replacing their dance floors with additional seating because they realized that more butts in seats buying drinks would make them more money and that the having a big empty space was really lost revenue.  Even in classical music, you have the "light classics" and then you have the Bachs and Beethovens.  Even Mozart, who as a melodic genius is perhaps the most accessible of the great masters, could create complex frameworks for those tuneful melodies and present them in some creative and clever ways.
Nice post. You seen whiplash? No nothing to do with Metallica or metal..... I imagine you have if not see it great movie. It is about a jazz drummer and his teacher and it is pretty intense.
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Post by buddypng on Thu Aug 20, 2015 3:50 pm

I liked whiplash a lot. Great movie, really opened my mind to what serious musicians go through to get to the top

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Post by Throne of thorns on Thu Aug 20, 2015 5:13 pm

buddypng wrote:I liked whiplash a lot. Great movie, really opened my mind to what serious musicians go through to get to the top
Yeah the serious ones like that for sure. It's a whole nother< (that even a word) level from playing in your usual rock band. Nothing wrong with rock though just to be clear! But those kind of musicians Serious Jazz and classical players are on whole other planet and to live on it you have to devote your life!
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Post by Thiago-Brazil on Fri Aug 21, 2015 9:08 pm

Besides hearing many good things about this movie, I hadn't had the opportunity to watch it so far.
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