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Post by sadvader Mon Feb 01, 2016 5:41 pm

I'm a little confused about Stryper. I've seen them being purposedly posted as a band with Christian members. But it is so strange, they have lyrics that openly talk about Jesus Christ, Salvation and forgiveness of sin and they give away Bibles at their concerts. I've never been that big a fan of their music but ain't they some kind of spearhead evangelistic band?Did I miss something?
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Post by DevZor Mon Feb 01, 2016 6:18 pm

It's all semantics. Christians in a band/Christian band.

Be less concerned about the titles, artists have and more concerned with the fruit they produce.  Stryper produces good fruit, so if they prefer to be called Christians in a band or a Christian band, or Bob... Does it really matter?
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Post by DevZor Mon Feb 01, 2016 6:19 pm

And they have covered Black Sabbath too. Twice!!
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Post by Temple of Blood Mon Feb 01, 2016 6:36 pm

They're a Christian band, no matter what they want to be labeled for marketing purposes.
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Post by Guest Mon Feb 01, 2016 7:18 pm

They're a Christian band, no matter what they want to be labeled for marketing purposes.

except when Against the Law and The Covering came out...at least thats what some christian on a internet forum said Razz  lol!

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Post by lhversaw Mon Feb 01, 2016 7:19 pm

The reason they call themselves Christians in a band and claim they are not a "Christian" band is simply this.  They think labels are stupid and that music should be called Metal or Rock and not "Christian Metal" or Christian Rock"  they think that labels should not be used.  However that doesn't change the fact that they ARE a Christian band.
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Post by Hardcore Christian Mon Feb 01, 2016 7:27 pm

lhversaw wrote:However that doesn't change the fact that they ARE a Christian band.
Exactly bands can be whatever but no matter what you will be labeled/compared to something/someone else
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Post by sadvader Mon Feb 01, 2016 8:26 pm

Thanks for the answers. I for myself don't care much wether the are a Christian band or Christians in a band. The lyrics are very clear. I was just wondering because in the recent past I have seen them listed as not-a-Christian-band in several occasions which took me by surprise.

I'm not thinking that covering secular bands is bad per-se but is something to chew on when you've read some of the really judgemental and awfull ani-Metal-pamphlets out there. Not always easy to leave the misinformation and lies behind.
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Post by ThomasEversole Mon Feb 01, 2016 9:46 pm

DevZor wrote:It's all semantics. Christians in a band/Christian band.

Be less concerned about the titles, artists have and more concerned with the fruit they produce.  Stryper produces good fruit, so if they prefer to be called Christians in a band or a Christian band, or Bob... Does it really matter?

Probably a little bit more controversial outlook, but I'd like to expand on this.
I've observed some Christians put to much focus on that "Christian" title, the lyrics, what's REALLY in their heart or weigh what said artist does on a Wednesday afternoon at 3pm as it may effect the artist/listener relationship.

Whether the lyrics are stupid, horrifying or score a 13.5 on the JPM, its the written words of an artist, presented as art which is ultimately sold. If you're ministered by it, that's awesome - but primarily, its for entertainment purposes. What's in someone's heart, only way to know if they're not blurting it out is ask. As for what they do in their personal life, its not too much different than anyone else. I know some Christians think the most evil of evil band members are out in the woods having some sort of trees-n-blood ritual any given day of the week, but realistically, they are probably at McDonalds shoving a #4 into their face like millions of other people.

I've said this before, and the people that commented didn't believe it, didn't want to look at it or didn't care, but there was a secular grind/noise band that actually did a "Christian" album. Not as a parody, not back handed or as mockery - it was genuine that they "tried". (and yes, the album before and after were quite evil)

So when a nasty nasty band makes an entire album of pro-Jesus music, does THAT make it Christian? Them Christian? Them have good hearts? Are they too at McDonalds at 3pm on a Wednesday?

What I'm really getting to here is your favorite "Christian" albums are inanimate and can't be saved, so they're not "Christian". Just like any other tangible item on this earth, that record will be among the moth and dust corrupt. If said band "increases your faith" or "ministers to you", hooray, but its really you and God doing the increasing, that song is just a port.
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Post by Guest Tue Feb 02, 2016 3:37 am

I agree Thomas. That is one reason why I don't believe in such a thing as "Christian Music". I believe music is music. Hopefully Christ gets through in the message! But it's all music to me!

I've had God speak to me while listening to secular music (using the secular lyrics to get through to me). At the same time ... I've heard secular lyrics that ministered to me just as much or moreso than Christian lyrics have.

Some of the worst lyrics ever are 'sugar-coated-Jesus-puff' lyrics.

But back to Stryper. I totally agree with their approach. Always have. They never tried to start any kind of scene. They just wanted to let their lights shine for Christ - in the darkness ... while they played the kind of music that they loved!

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Post by Guest Tue Feb 02, 2016 7:52 am

Talk about overthinking it.... just kick back and crank the music and enjoy it....

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Post by Guest Tue Feb 02, 2016 12:30 pm

Well, they look to make a living out of their music, so their intention is to be heard for as many people as they can reach. And it is the same situation if you see from evengelistic perspectives. So, stereotypes and labels aren't really good for a band.

Taking it into consideration, let their lyrics speak for themselves.

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Post by messiaen77 Tue Feb 02, 2016 12:46 pm

ThomasEversole wrote:... score a 13.5 on the JPM...
I'm sorry, but 13.5 is nowhere near high enough on the JPM scale for a Christian band.  You have to pull at least a 17.2 to get into the "positive alternative" range.
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Post by Guest Tue Feb 02, 2016 2:32 pm

messiaen77 wrote:
ThomasEversole wrote:... score a 13.5 on the JPM...
I'm sorry, but 13.5 is nowhere near high enough on the JPM scale for a Christian band.  You have to pull at least a 17.2 to get into the "positive alternative" range.




lol!

When I was a new baby Christian back in the early 90s ... I wanted my stuff to read at least a 19.1

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Post by messiaen77 Tue Feb 02, 2016 2:59 pm

RavenWolf wrote:
messiaen77 wrote:
ThomasEversole wrote:... score a 13.5 on the JPM...
I'm sorry, but 13.5 is nowhere near high enough on the JPM scale for a Christian band.  You have to pull at least a 17.2 to get into the "positive alternative" range.




lol!

When I was a new baby Christian back in the early 90s ... I wanted my stuff to read at least a 19.1
I assume that now that you are more holy you expect higher.
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Post by Guest Tue Feb 02, 2016 3:04 pm

messiaen77 wrote:
RavenWolf wrote:
messiaen77 wrote:
ThomasEversole wrote:... score a 13.5 on the JPM...
I'm sorry, but 13.5 is nowhere near high enough on the JPM scale for a Christian band.  You have to pull at least a 17.2 to get into the "positive alternative" range.




lol!

When I was a new baby Christian back in the early 90s ... I wanted my stuff to read at least a 19.1
I assume that now that you are more holy you expect higher.




That's the irony of it. The more 'mature' I became ... the more I realized I need to throw out the JPM meter all together brother!!!



lol!


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I'd rather hear 'anointed' singing about grapefruit and cheerios than 'un' anointed dribble that is spun in the circles of Christendom on a regular basis. Nothing short of 'religious cotton candy'.

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Post by WildWorld Tue Feb 02, 2016 3:08 pm

messiaen77 wrote:
ThomasEversole wrote:... score a 13.5 on the JPM...
I'm sorry, but 13.5 is nowhere near high enough on the JPM scale for a Christian band.  You have to pull at least a 17.2 to get into the "positive alternative" range.


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Post by Blake Tue Feb 02, 2016 5:15 pm

The Christian music label argument again I see. I see calling a band a "Christian band" pretty much the same as calling men who preach the Word of God Evangelists or Pastors. Because otherwise they are just "speakers", labels help people find things. Such as if bands were not labeled this way, then that day in my youth when I searched the internet for "Christian metal" my search would have been in vain and I would not be where I am today probably.

Similarly if I was a prospective believer desiring to find a church yet all of the churches were non-descriptively called "meeting houses" or "conferences" then how would I find it?
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Post by Throne of thorns Wed Feb 03, 2016 8:47 pm

sadvader wrote:Thanks for the answers. I for myself don't care much wether the are a Christian band or Christians in a band. The lyrics are very clear. I was just wondering because in the recent past I have seen them listed as not-a-Christian-band in several occasions which took me by surprise.

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