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Post by Guest on Mon Aug 17, 2015 3:58 pm

sentient 6 wrote:
Tobi Elektrik wrote:

...of SOME animals...
Most people have this weird distinction between a good kill and a bad kill. They are getting angry about a killed lion while they eat their chicken wings and burgers. And they are condemning the atrocities of the IS while their own people are killing unborn babies and selling their body parts.
The moral standards of the western civilisation regarding animal and human rights are really messed up. And the laws are a mirror of this sick state.
And I don't see a reason why we need to play one topic off against the other.
There are a lot of other Christian artist who don't speak up against abortion - so why is it necessary to focus on Ted Kirkpatrick here? Because he is fighting for animal rights? Is it really necessary to use this topic AGAINST a fellow Christian who is fighting for something intead of asking ourselves were we might have double standards... ?


Most people recognize that animals are one of many sources of food. But I think many make a distinction from killing an animal so you can eat its flesh and killing one for the thrill of it. That's why many can eat a chicken and speak out against trophy hunting. My comments are regarding the secular word that has elevated the life of animals with human life. But this mostly because of their source of authority which is usually something other than their Creator. They really can't help it, because they are subject to whims of their emotions and subjective feelings. Their is no source of authority shaping and forming their worldview.

As far as Ted Kirkpatrick is concerned, I am approaching this with him as one who assumes we both have the same source of authority and worldview. As one Christian to another, its seems that Ted has no longer the scriptures as his main source that shapes his worldview. I've said it again and again, but I feel Ted has become unbalanced in his views of the role of animals in this creation. I was just pointing out that his silence is further indication of this. It would be the same if slavery was still legal but Ted never said anything about it, but focused on how animals are " enslaved " in zoos instead. Maybe I wouldn't come down so hard on Ted if I felt he wasn't judging other Christians in a lot of his songs pertaining to the welfare of animals. I've read the lyrics and they make moral judgments on people who have a different view. Plus, their is a bit of a double standard among people in general. The views of politicians are fair game, but the views of our metal " idols " are not ? Anyone with a public platform are responsible for how they use that platform.

.....the even bigger point is that many Christians just don't really see abortion as the evil that it really is. Christians should vote ( and many other choices as well ) as if they really believe abortion was evil and murder.
Good.  Someone gets it.  cheers

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Re: The continuing evil of Plan parenthood

Post by sentient 6 on Tue Aug 18, 2015 11:50 am

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I think we need to make abortion a voting issue this next year. We need to speak up and let the candidates know what we think.

We ought to point out those candidates who hold 'pro-choice' views. We ought to point out the rank hypocrisy of so called liberals and socialists who hold that position. What is the supposed basis for their political views? Equality. They claim that liberalism uses the government to enforce equality among people so that no-one lives too well or lives too poorly, yet they ignore the murder of over 1 million people every year. Where's the equality in that?! Rank hypocrisy!

...heres a candidate that gets it..

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Post by sentient 6 on Tue Aug 18, 2015 11:54 am

Other than maybe Huckabee, Walker and Cruz ( there may be more ), a lot of the Republicans just stop at half measures.

If someone actually thought that slavery was wrong, but did nothing in their power to stop it....would you believe their sincerity ?
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Re: The continuing evil of Plan parenthood

Post by d@v!d on Tue Aug 18, 2015 12:02 pm

sentient 6 wrote:
d@v!d wrote:
I think we need to make abortion a voting issue this next year. We need to speak up and let the candidates know what we think.

We ought to point out those candidates who hold 'pro-choice' views. We ought to point out the rank hypocrisy of so called liberals and socialists who hold that position. What is the supposed basis for their political views? Equality. They claim that liberalism uses the government to enforce equality among people so that no-one lives too well or lives too poorly, yet they ignore the murder of over 1 million people every year. Where's the equality in that?! Rank hypocrisy!

...heres a candidate that gets it..

Bingo! Thanks for the post.

Just think about those stats he quoted. This has to stop.
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Post by d@v!d on Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:41 pm

Guest wrote:Good.  Someone gets it.  cheers
Looks like you got enough. Later dude... Keep lurking!
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Post by d@v!d on Fri Aug 21, 2015 11:52 pm

I know this is last minute, but if you can, go support this.
http://protestpp.com/protests/
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Re: The continuing evil of Plan parenthood

Post by metaldude on Tue Aug 25, 2015 9:13 am

I was reading an update from my Congressman that said since the release of that video, three states have defunded Planned Parenthood and thirteen others have launched investigations. Maybe something good will come of it.
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Post by d@v!d on Tue Aug 25, 2015 9:14 am

metaldude wrote:I was reading an update from my Congressman that said since the release of that video, three states have defunded Planned Parenthood and thirteen others have launched investigations. Maybe something good will come of it.
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Re: The continuing evil of Plan parenthood

Post by d@v!d on Wed Sep 16, 2015 10:55 am

PP used to carry out their eugenics without openly promoting murder. They used to admit that abortion was murder. Look at the 3rd page on abortion.
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Re: The continuing evil of Plan parenthood

Post by Parched Earth on Wed Sep 16, 2015 1:05 pm

^ Interesting. Where did you find that pamphlet?  Of course, chemical forms of birth control (such as the Pill) can also kill a life after it has begun by preventing implantation.
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Post by metaldude on Wed Sep 16, 2015 1:09 pm

It seems the contradictions never end with these people.
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Post by d@v!d on Wed Sep 16, 2015 1:13 pm

Parched Earth wrote:^ Interesting. Where did you find that pamphlet?  Of course, chemical forms of birth control (such as the Pill) can also kill a life after it has begun by preventing implantation.
I was reading a related story on some site and someone in the comments mentioned this fact and that they had a copy of the pamphlet. I did a key word and image search.
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Post by d@v!d on Wed Sep 16, 2015 1:15 pm

metaldude wrote:It seems the contradictions never end with these people.
I'm quite sure that if the moral and legal climate had been what it is today and was in 1973, that they would have been promoting abortions from the get go.
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Re: The continuing evil of Plan parenthood

Post by d@v!d on Wed Sep 16, 2015 2:25 pm

Superjuice wrote:Ah, Planned Parenthood, brought to you in part by the Bush Family:

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/08/04/jeb-bushs-grandfather-was-a-founding-member-of-todays-planned-parenthood/
Yes that very one. Why post such a fallaciously reasoned article? Because besides trying to besmirch Jeb Bush by the fallacy of guilt by association, it supports PP. I think its an interesting bit of trivia, but the way it's presented turns my stomach. PP has been a snake in the grass since its beginnings and now its in full black mamba mode.

BTW, I'm no great fan of the Bushes either.
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Re: The continuing evil of Plan parenthood

Post by d@v!d on Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:32 am

Another video has come out.

I appreciate Doug Wilson's analysis.
http://dougwils.com/s7-engaging-the-culture/so-we-agree-then.html

I think that if Hitler's Nazi party were still around today that they would be taking notes on operational procedures from PP.

How de we Americans allow such evil to continue so freely in our country?
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Re: The continuing evil of Plan parenthood

Post by Pastèque on Sat Sep 19, 2015 3:47 am

I've read somewhere there is a legal vacuum about price of fetus's cells used (partially justified by difficulty to extract it) for research than PP take advantage, is it true?
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Post by d@v!d on Sat Sep 19, 2015 12:06 pm

Pastèque wrote:I've read somewhere there is a legal vacuum about price of fetus's cells used (partially justified by difficulty to extract it) for research than PP take advantage, is it true?
I don't understand your question.

I think that they are free to 'donate' any left over body parts after the act. What is controversial is that they knowingly are performing abortions in a manner to preserve the body parts so that they can be 'donated' for a 'transportation' fee.

These people are very aware that they are killing the unborn and making money off of it. The latest video shows them aware that they know that they must hide their deeds. They know they are breaking the law.
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Post by Pastèque on Sat Sep 19, 2015 7:18 pm

Ah, ok. I've not seen this part of story. No   This indirectly answer to my question
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Re: The continuing evil of Plan parenthood

Post by ThomasEversole on Thu Jan 12, 2017 3:48 pm

That's scary stuff...
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Re: The continuing evil of Plan parenthood

Post by New Creation on Thu Jan 12, 2017 5:09 pm

We live in a society that considers children to be a burden. Other societies have this problem too, like Japan, where the sales of adult diapers now outnumber the sales of baby diapers.
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Post by alldatndensum on Sun Jan 15, 2017 10:06 am

New Creation wrote:We live in a society that considers children to be a burden. Other societies have this problem too, like Japan, where the sales of adult diapers now outnumber the sales of baby diapers.



This will become a major problem for most societies across our world.  Many nations now have a birth rate low enough that, when these new kids are grown and become the tax base, that they will not be able to sustain the care of the larger geriatric populations.
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Post by ThomasEversole on Mon Jan 16, 2017 2:39 pm

New Creation wrote:the sales of adult diapers now outnumber the sales of baby diapers.

Maybe this is just me being a rectal survivor talking, but with colon cancers being the #2 killer of men in the US, and Japan being in the top 20 countries where colorectal cancer is rampant...  I can't help but also empathize with why adult diapers are needed in developed countries...
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Post by Kerrick on Fri Jan 27, 2017 6:00 pm


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Re: The continuing evil of Plan parenthood

Post by Andreas89 on Sun Jan 29, 2017 8:03 am

I already saw that one on facebook, good one Smile

By the way, I identify as a male and I'm against abortion. Why not? Smile
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Post by alldatndensum on Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:32 am

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New Creation wrote:the sales of adult diapers now outnumber the sales of baby diapers.

Maybe this is just me being a rectal survivor talking, but with colon cancers being the #2 killer of men in the US, and Japan being in the top 20 countries where colorectal cancer is rampant...  I can't help but also empathize with why adult diapers are needed in developed countries...



That would be just one part.  I would say that since our senior (baby boomer and baby buster) generations are living longer and longer to be a bigger cause of needing adult diapers.  Instead of having larger families, most Americans are settling for 1-2 kids.  We will soon teeter over the edge where the senior citizen population is larger than that of the younger.  Health care is already the largest  industry in the USA and will continue to be so.
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Post by sentient 6 on Mon May 29, 2017 5:36 pm



The problem is that we are dealing with spiritually blind people. People who have enmity with God and all that can be called good. No matter what is exposed, they will continue to rationalize and make excuses for what goes on in those buildings. Only Christ can free them and open their eyes. To love and cherish the image of God found in all of His creation called man and woman. No matter the size, location or level of development of that creation.
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Re: The continuing evil of Plan parenthood

Post by Kerrick on Tue May 30, 2017 1:52 pm

^Truth.  I guess when it's something as heartbreaking as abortion, it's just a little harder to accept...  Crying or Very sad

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Post by Queue on Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:53 pm

As a follower of Christ, the only solution I can see is to stop sending my dollars to Washington.  I purchase goods from private citizens to avoid taxation and I purchase online. I do my level headed best to send as little as is possible to those vipers in Washington. I have to answer one day to the almighty God for living in Sodom....

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Post by sentient 6 on Wed Sep 06, 2017 3:02 pm

Here....bare witness to the absurd logic that the rebel sinner mind is capable of...



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Post by Andreas89 on Thu Sep 07, 2017 4:54 am

Reminds me of something I heard from Tim Keller a while ago about the demon possessed boy, on why the disciples couldn't cast the demon out. Jesus said that the demon was in too deep, only fasting and praying would do the trick (remarkable that Jesus still was able to send the demon away, is it not?). Anyway, Keller said that the same thing has happened to society for a long time now; there's this demon inside it that is in too deep to be "cast out" with "conventional methods". One of the fruits of this possession is this kind of non-logic that wants to maintain a demonic practice at all costs.
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