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Post by sentient 6 on Thu Jul 16, 2015 10:38 am

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Post by sentient 6 on Thu Jul 16, 2015 10:41 am

You shall not give any of your offspring to offer them to Molech, nor shall you profane the name of your God; I am the LORD.
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Post by alldatndensum on Thu Jul 16, 2015 11:14 am

I can't disagree with your thoughts at all.  They are intentionally breaking the law by selling human body parts and organs on demand.
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Post by d@v!d on Thu Jul 16, 2015 11:27 am

I don't know what it is with that group but every time I think of them feelings of rage and hate surge in me.... language that I can't post here.


There needs to be some postnatal abortion of some abortionists....
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Post by metaldude on Thu Jul 16, 2015 2:58 pm

I saw this yesterday and the remember being surprised that the Supreme Court doesn't back this. They seem ready to back anything these days.
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Post by Kerrick on Thu Jul 16, 2015 3:38 pm

While this is pretty messed up... I can't but feel somewhat dismayed that it's the fact that they're selling organs and such of babies that is getting flack - not that they're killing them in the first place.  But that's become socially acceptable...  Sad Evil or Very Mad Neutral

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Post by Grindboy on Thu Jul 16, 2015 5:18 pm

I probably shouldn't say anything.

I have no love whatsoever for PP, and I have strong feelings on abortion.

But it's always good form to be pretty skeptical about heavily edited hidden camera footage shot by people who have a particular agenda (even if you agree with it) and lied to be granted audience in the first place. 

In other words, if this was about an organization/cause/whatever that I happened to be more sympathetic to, I sure wouldn't want it to be accepted as gospel, and we ought to be fair to those with whom we disagree as well.  I know they had some sort of a response to it, although I didn't look into whatever it was.

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Post by Grindboy on Thu Jul 16, 2015 5:22 pm

^This is really, really NOT to be taken as anything like a "defense" for PP.  I'm just suspicious about the veracity of the video and I'm sure more will come out.

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Post by Peter who was Vaak on Thu Jul 16, 2015 5:38 pm

A 3 hour unedited video was released.  This is real.
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Post by Peter who was Vaak on Thu Jul 16, 2015 5:50 pm

Anyways, supposedly there are more videos coming out.  The group who released it said they were doing this for three years.  So, given that time frame, it's very obvious that there's a lot of damning evidence there if they could get this lady to say that in the first video.
Here's a link to the three hour video.

Also, here's this:
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Post by d@v!d on Thu Jul 16, 2015 7:02 pm

Peter who was Vaak wrote:Anyways, supposedly there are more videos coming out.  The group who released it said they were doing this for three years.  So, given that time frame, it's very obvious that there's a lot of damning evidence there if they could get this lady to say that in the first video.
Here's a link to the three hour video.

Also, here's this:
I wouldn't mind seeing a video of a PP building in grainy black and white from an Apache copter unloading its chain-gun on it.
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Post by d@v!d on Thu Jul 16, 2015 7:24 pm

I guess I can just settle for this video...
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Post by Peter who was Vaak on Fri Jul 17, 2015 12:10 am

Here's another good song about abortion:
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Post by sentient 6 on Fri Jul 17, 2015 7:50 pm

I read PPs response to this and....

.......Jospeh Goebbels would be proud.
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Post by sentient 6 on Fri Jul 17, 2015 7:58 pm

Kerrick wrote:While this is pretty messed up... I can't but feel somewhat dismayed that it's the fact that they're selling organs and such of babies that is getting flack - not that they're killing them in the first place.  But that's become socially acceptable...  Sad Evil or Very Mad Neutral

The big news is that this evil organization can finally be prosecuted for something, because its currently still ( for the time being anyway ) a felony to sell human organs and body parts. But I totally agree with your sentiment here. Society is so self-involved that essentially the lure of sex without responsiblity has harden the hearts of many.
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Post by sentient 6 on Fri Jul 17, 2015 8:01 pm

Kerrick wrote:While this is pretty messed up... I can't but feel somewhat dismayed that it's the fact that they're selling organs and such of babies that is getting flack - not that they're killing them in the first place.  But that's become socially acceptable...  Sad Evil or Very Mad Neutral

This video really sums up how I feel about Americans attitude towards this subject.


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Post by sentient 6 on Fri Jul 17, 2015 8:22 pm

d@v!d wrote:I don't know what it is with that group but every time I think of them feelings of rage and hate surge in me.... language that I can't post here.



Quite honestly, it reminds me of how the abolistionists must have felt as they thought of the people who owned another human beings against their will. But I think this is a greater evil because it is a direct assault on creatures made in Gods image. I believe this is a direct extension of sinners hatred of God. That, plus mix in the lure of free-sex and you get the cultural acceptance of abortion.
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Post by Peter who was Vaak on Tue Jul 21, 2015 4:38 pm

A new video went up today:


It's just as disgusting as the other one.
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Post by exo on Tue Jul 21, 2015 5:21 pm

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Kerrick wrote:While this is pretty messed up... I can't but feel somewhat dismayed that it's the fact that they're selling organs and such of babies that is getting flack - not that they're killing them in the first place.  But that's become socially acceptable...  Sad Evil or Very Mad Neutral

The big news is that this evil organization can finally be prosecuted for something, because its currently still ( for the time being anyway ) a felony to sell human organs and body parts. But I totally agree with your sentiment here. Society is so self-involved that essentially the lure of sex without responsiblity has harden the hearts of many.
There will not be a successful prosecution.  They have their legal bases covered, as they do not "sell parts", they charge to transport them, which they are legally allowed to do.....and this will be little more than a PR blip for them, unfortunately.

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Post by metallikitty on Tue Jul 21, 2015 6:55 pm

Ugh. I totally see the abortion industry as a modernized form of infant sacrifice. Even if it has no real effect, I am very glad this information has been put out there. But the masses are sooooo blinded to truth in any form it is no surprise that this just goes over heads!

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Post by sentient 6 on Tue Jul 21, 2015 9:23 pm

exo wrote:
There will not be a successful prosecution.  They have their legal bases covered, as they do not "sell parts", they charge to transport them, which they are legally allowed to do.....and this will be little more than a PR blip for them, unfortunately.

This will probably be the case. This should be the type of thing that would put em out of business. But people still want their free sex, so probably won't be much outrage if nothing comes from this legally.
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Post by sentient 6 on Tue Jul 21, 2015 10:16 pm

I know she was " kid'n " but that Lamborghini comment is pretty damning. Even though she wasn't serious, it still implied making a profit and not just covering expenses.
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Post by d@v!d on Wed Jul 22, 2015 12:15 pm

sentient 6 wrote:I know she was " kid'n " but that Lamborghini comment is pretty damning. Even though she wasn't serious, it still implied making a profit and not just covering expenses.
I believe the lion's share of the profits come from the murders, this selling of bodies is just the bonus... This is efficient evil.
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Post by Guest on Wed Jul 22, 2015 3:33 pm

This is interesting...


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Post by Peter who was Vaak on Wed Jul 22, 2015 4:01 pm

Here's a list of companies that donate to planned parenthood http://dailysignal.com/2015/07/21/meet-the-41-companies-that-donate-directly-to-planned-parenthood/ :

Adobe
American Cancer Society
American Express
AT&T
Avon
Bank of America
Bath & Body Works
Ben & Jerry’s
Clorox
Coca-Cola
Converse
Deutsche Bank
Dockers
Energizer
Expedia
ExxonMobil
Fannie Mae
Groupon
Intuit
Johnson & Johnson
La Senza
Levi Strauss
Liberty Mutual
Macy’s
March of Dimes
Microsoft
Morgan Stanley
Nike
Oracle
PepsiCo
Pfizer
Progressive
Starbucks
Susan G. Komen
Tostitos
Unilever
United Way
Verizon
Wells Fargo
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Post by Guest on Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:44 pm

March of Dimes

Wait, what?

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Post by d@v!d on Thu Jul 23, 2015 1:58 pm

LemonMouse wrote:
March of Dimes

Wait, what?
....masquerades as an angel of light.
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Post by Peter who was Vaak on Tue Jul 28, 2015 11:45 am

Third video, but just a heads up, this one is very gross, visually.  My stomach is hurting from watching it:
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Post by d@v!d on Tue Jul 28, 2015 12:24 pm

Peter who was Vaak wrote:Third video, but just a heads up, this one is very gross, visually.  My stomach is hurting from watching it:
Thanks for the warning. I'll skip for now. And will probably just listen not watching.
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Post by Peter who was Vaak on Tue Jul 28, 2015 1:43 pm

That's a good idea. I had to stop it while I was eating. A video had never made sick before like that.
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Post by Peter who was Vaak on Thu Jul 30, 2015 11:26 am

Another video and basically the "lady' here speaks about the business end and how they need to coordinate everything.  Again, extremely graphic and sort of leads into the petri dishes in the above video:
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Post by Louder on Sun Aug 02, 2015 10:44 am

Does it blow anyone else's mind that there are still people rabidly defending the ghouls at Planned Parenthood?

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/culture/kristine-marsh/2015/07/30/guess-who-42-celebrities-who-support-planned-parenthood
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Post by sentient 6 on Sun Aug 02, 2015 3:56 pm

Louder wrote:Does it blow anyone else's mind that there are still people rabidly defending the ghouls at Planned Parenthood?

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/culture/kristine-marsh/2015/07/30/guess-who-42-celebrities-who-support-planned-parenthood

It doesn't blow my mind at all. At best, they are all just following the liberal orthodoxy. At worst, its an extension of their hatred of God.
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Post by sentient 6 on Sun Aug 02, 2015 4:02 pm

I'm also not surprised that their is more outcry from the secular world over the hunting of that lion instead this story about PP. They would rather revell in their self-rightousness of their outrage over the death of animals than be sad and sickened over the death of creatures made in Gods image.
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Post by sentient 6 on Sun Aug 02, 2015 4:28 pm

I don't want to impune Ted Kirkpatrick without warrant, but is anyone aware if He has said anything publicly about the Plan Parenthood story ? Looking on the Tourniquet Ark facebook page I see lots about cecil the lion and trophy hunting, but didn't see anything about PP making a profit from human boby parts. I am just curious, because I believe Teds has become pretty imbalanced in his views. If I see Ted take a stand on this story about PP, it might help change on opinion on that. If he hasn't, it will just further make my point.
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Post by sentient 6 on Mon Aug 03, 2015 1:15 am

There were Christians that kept silent about the evils of slavery back in the day. Lets not be silent about evil and a culture that has no problem with the tolerance and support of evil. Satan wants to keep us silent. Satan wants us to worry more about things like the killing of animals. He wants more babies killed. And he don't care if greed is the motivation.
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sentient 6 wrote:I don't want to impune Ted Kirkpatrick without warrant, but is anyone aware if He has said anything publicly about the Plan Parenthood story ? Looking on the Tourniquet Ark facebook page I see lots about cecil the lion and trophy hunting, but didn't see anything about PP making a profit from human boby parts. I am just curious, because I believe Teds has become pretty imbalanced in his views. If I see Ted take a stand on this story about PP, it might help change on opinion on that. If he hasn't, it will just further make my point.
Boom.

Back in the day, on Rez's XX Years Live, Wendi preaches about saving BOTH the whales and the unborn.  I find it disconcerting that Ted (via omission) has apparently skated around the topic.  Such a glaring non-statement evinces where his heart and mind are on the topic of the importance of ALL life.   Evil or Very Mad

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Post by d@v!d on Mon Aug 03, 2015 9:08 am

sentient 6 wrote:I'm also not surprised that their is more outcry from the secular world over the hunting of that lion instead this story about PP. They would rather revell in their self-rightousness of their outrage over the death of animals than be sad and sickened over the death of creatures made in Gods image.
You know they have accused the video as being fakes. So, the lesson we should learn is if we are going to fake a video, make them where they sell lion body parts.

What's sad for me is all my 'Christian' friends making social media posts about 'Cecil' and nothing about the videos. Of, course, a lot of them are the same ones who went rainbow tint a few weeks ago....
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Post by Grindboy on Mon Aug 03, 2015 9:13 am

If we're really serious about priorities, how is discerning Ted's via social media/silence a priority for us?  Really?

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Post by d@v!d on Mon Aug 03, 2015 3:26 pm

Grindboy wrote:If we're really serious about priorities, how is discerning Ted's via social media/silence a priority for us?  Really?
Because Ted is not acting excellent!
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sentient 6 wrote:I'm also not surprised that their is more outcry from the secular world over the hunting of that lion instead this story about PP. They would rather revell in their self-rightousness of their outrage over the death of animals than be sad and sickened over the death of creatures made in Gods image.
You know they have accused the video as being fakes. So, the lesson we should learn is if we are going to fake a video, make them where they sell lion body parts.

What's sad for me is all my 'Christian' friends making social media posts about 'Cecil' and nothing about the videos. Of, course, a lot of them are the same ones who went rainbow tint a few weeks ago....
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Post by Guest on Mon Aug 03, 2015 6:17 pm

Grindboy wrote:If we're really serious about priorities, how is discerning Ted's via social media/silence a priority for us?  Really?
Which indicates that perhaps our support for other musicians who claim the name of Christ should take precedence over our support for TK and his slanted animal-rights crusade.

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Post by sentient 6 on Mon Aug 03, 2015 11:57 pm

d@v!d wrote:
You know they have accused the video as being fakes. So, the lesson we should learn is if we are going to fake a video, make them where they sell lion body parts.


This may be harsh, but I believe in principle, Jesus addresses the core reason why that is.

You are of your father the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

The only real solution is the power of the Gospel to change hearts and minds in these matters.
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Post by sentient 6 on Tue Aug 04, 2015 12:06 am

Grindboy wrote:If we're really serious about priorities, how is discerning Ted's via social media/silence a priority for us?  Really?

Like I've said before, people who have influence and a public platform should be held accountable for what they say. Is the influence for the good or does it have a worse affect. I don't think we should just look at what politicians and other public figures do and say while ignoring the musicians we admire in what the put forth.
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Post by sentient 6 on Sat Aug 15, 2015 1:36 am

...some thoughts..

Deut 18:10
There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering..


..some historical context...

One of the defining aspects of pagan worship was appeasment of those deities. They were subject to the whims and pleasures of the " gods " and the " fates." They believed that so much of their lives were decided by their sacrifices. They would sacrifice in order to have a good crop. They would offer up one child in order that the gods would give them 10 children in the future. Basically they would sacrifice the well being of some of their children for personal gain. Their gods were cruel and whimsicle, and they were the products their distorted worldview. And people lived their lives in a manner they believed were appropriate with their beliefs.

Now, take our modern views of children and the value the secular world has for them. How is the worldview of pro " choice " much different than these pagans ? Isn't the biggest aspect of pro abortion views about maintaining personal freedom ? When someone chooses abortion over life, are they not choosing their own personal gain over the life of their child ? Can't afford a baby. Don't want to sacrifice their free time and energies involved in raising a child. And then theres the aspect of pursuing free sex without the obligation of raising children. Pure personal gain.

...it seems once again, Solomon was right....there is nothing new under the sun. Especially when satan is involved.
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Post by Tobi Elektrik on Sun Aug 16, 2015 6:35 pm

sentient 6 wrote:I'm also not surprised that their is more outcry from the secular world over the hunting of that lion instead this story about PP. They would rather revell in their self-rightousness of their outrage over the death of animals than be sad and sickened over the death of creatures made in Gods image.

...of SOME animals...
Most people have this weird distinction between a good kill and a bad kill. They are getting angry about a killed lion while they eat their chicken wings and burgers. And they are condemning the atrocities of the IS while their own people are killing unborn babies and selling their body parts.
The moral standards of the western civilisation regarding animal and human rights are really messed up. And the laws are a mirror of this sick state.
And I don't see a reason why we need to play one topic off against the other.
There are a lot of other Christian artist who don't speak up against abortion - so why is it necessary to focus on Ted Kirkpatrick here? Because he is fighting for animal rights? Is it really necessary to use this topic AGAINST a fellow Christian who is fighting for something intead of asking ourselves were we might have double standards... ?
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Post by sentient 6 on Mon Aug 17, 2015 1:19 pm

Tobi Elektrik wrote:

...of SOME animals...
Most people have this weird distinction between a good kill and a bad kill. They are getting angry about a killed lion while they eat their chicken wings and burgers. And they are condemning the atrocities of the IS while their own people are killing unborn babies and selling their body parts.
The moral standards of the western civilisation regarding animal and human rights are really messed up. And the laws are a mirror of this sick state.
And I don't see a reason why we need to play one topic off against the other.
There are a lot of other Christian artist who don't speak up against abortion - so why is it necessary to focus on Ted Kirkpatrick here? Because he is fighting for animal rights? Is it really necessary to use this topic AGAINST a fellow Christian who is fighting for something intead of asking ourselves were we might have double standards... ?


Most people recognize that animals are one of many sources of food. But I think many make a distinction from killing an animal so you can eat its flesh and killing one for the thrill of it. That's why many can eat a chicken and speak out against trophy hunting. My comments are regarding the secular word that has elevated the life of animals with human life. But this mostly because of their source of authority which is usually something other than their Creator. They really can't help it, because they are subject to whims of their emotions and subjective feelings. Their is no source of authority shaping and forming their worldview.

As far as Ted Kirkpatrick is concerned, I am approaching this with him as one who assumes we both have the same source of authority and worldview. As one Christian to another, its seems that Ted has no longer the scriptures as his main source that shapes his worldview. I've said it again and again, but I feel Ted has become unbalanced in his views of the role of animals in this creation. I was just pointing out that his silence is further indication of this. It would be the same if slavery was still legal but Ted never said anything about it, but focused on how animals are " enslaved " in zoos instead. Maybe I wouldn't come down so hard on Ted if I felt he wasn't judging other Christians in a lot of his songs pertaining to the welfare of animals. I've read the lyrics and they make moral judgments on people who have a different view. Plus, their is a bit of a double standard among people in general. The views of politicians are fair game, but the views of our metal " idols " are not ? Anyone with a public platform are responsible for how they use that platform.

.....the even bigger point is that many Christians just don't really see abortion as the evil that it really is. Christians should vote ( and many other choices as well ) as if they really believe abortion was evil and murder.
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sentient 6 wrote:.....the even bigger point is that many Christians just don't really see abortion as the evil that it really is. Christians should vote ( and many other choices as well ) as if they really believe abortion was evil and murder.
I think we need to make abortion a voting issue this next year. We need to speak up and let the candidates know what we think.

We ought to point out those candidates who hold 'pro-choice' views. We ought to point out the rank hypocrisy of so called liberals and socialists who hold that position. What is the supposed basis for their political views? Equality. They claim that liberalism uses the government to enforce equality among people so that no-one lives too well or lives too poorly, yet they ignore the murder of over 1 million people every year. Where's the equality in that?! Rank hypocrisy!
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