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Post by sentient 6 on Thu Jun 04, 2015 2:06 am

I just stumbled on this band, and they sound pretty good. I know they are probably pretty old, but this fits the bill when Im in the mood for some commercial hard rock. The lyrics seem pretty weak and very pseudo Christian, but beggars cannot be choosers. This is way cleaner than what you would find in the secular.

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Post by Hardcore Christian on Thu Jun 04, 2015 2:46 am

They released 2 albums in the 90s
 and recently reformed with a 3rd vocalist

1st album
Battle Cries (commercial glam rock)




2nd Album
Trust (a blueseir thing with a different vocalist)





3rd album
Their brand new album that came out last year with a 3rd vocalist (female)
http://www.thebravemusic.com/music
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Post by alldatndensum on Thu Jun 04, 2015 6:33 am

Some of the songs were not as bold, but some of their material was spot on.  Their first two albums were amazing!

The new material is really good, too.  However, the album is a little weak in the production area.  I don't think that they had a good mastering job.  The album sounds more like a demo.  With better mastering, the album would have been stellar.  I even like the new female singer and she does a good job bringing the attitude needed for the re-imagined songs and shows that the band still has something to give on the new tracks.
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Post by Guest on Thu Jun 04, 2015 7:59 am

Love these guys.  IMO, their best song ever is "Tomorrow" off of Trust.

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Post by Professor_Valconian on Thu Jun 04, 2015 8:18 am

I have the first two albums. Love them. Battle Cries has a slight edge over Trust in my book. I believe they were both produced by the Elefante brothers.

If you are looking for similar and somewhat obscure music, try this ...

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Post by Guest on Thu Jun 04, 2015 9:23 am

Professor_Valconian wrote:I have the first two albums. Love them. Battle Cries has a slight edge over Trust in my book. I believe they were both produced by the Elefante brothers.

If you are looking for similar and somewhat obscure music, try this ...



Broken Silence's "Discerning The Times" is one of my favorite albums.

It came out in 1995 and then was given the Retroactive Records treatment in 2011.

A must have.


As for The Brave, I have their first two albums. I like Battle Cries a lot more than Trust, but both are good to have. 

The new release was one I had pre-ordered but then got so ticked at them that I sold it as soon as it came in. I was following them on Facebook ever since they announced they got back together, and had pre-ordered the album the moment they were taking orders. The whole time, they kept who their singer was going to a big secret. Never answered questions about it directly, and never put any samples up that had vocals. In hindsight, I should never have even pre-ordered since they were refusing to reveal the singer..I just had put trust in them based on who their previous two singers were (since I had also been interacting with them on Facebook, I am sure that helped create a false trust, too).

The day they released the album via mp3 was the day they finally revealed it was a female singer.

I felt that making THAT big of a switch and keeping it hush hush was bogus.....since that day I have not listened to one single song by The Brave and promptly unfriended them on FB. Still like the old stuff, but haven't even wanted to listen to it since that.

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Post by Black Rider on Thu Jun 04, 2015 11:18 am

I almost never listen to Battle Cries anymore, too many other bands did that sound better. I love the bluesier sound of Trust and listen to fairly regularly.
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Post by MikeInFla on Thu Jun 04, 2015 11:48 am

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Post by eatbugs on Thu Jun 04, 2015 1:18 pm

I like them too.  I pretty much agree with what alldat said except I think I like Rise better than Trust.  Battle Cries is still my favorite though.

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Post by Follower of Jesus on Sat Jun 06, 2015 8:52 am

Battle Cries by a mile for me. Trust was good. Rise is dreadful.
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Post by Staybrite on Sat Jun 06, 2015 11:23 am

I dig all three of their albums, and look forward to them releasing new music with the current line-up.  My only critique of the last album was that the production was a bit lacking (especially when compared to the first two albums).  But it certainly isn't so poor as to make the album unlistenable.
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Post by Soldier777 on Sat Jun 06, 2015 11:49 am

I have the 3 Brave CDs. The first 2 is not bad and has several good songs. The Rise CD is ok - in some places I like the female singer and on other places she annoys me. The production sounds demo like. I don't know why they gave the older songs a worse production on the Rise but perhaps it was to get the rights to the songs like what X-Sinner did with Peace Treaty/Fire It Up. To me Battle Cries sounds too slick and polished - if they made it sound a little gritty like the Fear Not CD then I would likely enjoy it more. I find the ballads on the first 2 albums quite good and I usually skip over the ballads on most CDs. I only recently got into this band a few months ago and bought all 3 albums. It's too bad they only put out 2 albums like many artists (2 or more) for different reasons in the early-mid 90's did like Legend, Crystavox, Holy Soldier, X-Sinner, etc.
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Post by Black Rider on Sat Jun 06, 2015 12:03 pm

I think most of the small, christian labels figured if you weren't making it after the second album you were done. Plus, I think many bands found it was a tough life to lead.
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Re: The Brave

Post by Guest on Sat Jun 06, 2015 1:25 pm

S777,

Remember that when Battle Cries came out, slick and polished melodic metal was what was selling...

Heavens Edge, Danger Danger, Beau Nasty, Winger, Cats In Boots, etc etc

All slick and polished


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Post by sentient 6 on Sat Jun 06, 2015 8:29 pm

Soldier777 wrote: To me Battle Cries sounds too slick and polished - if they made it sound a little gritty like the Fear Not CD then I would likely enjoy it more.

A slick production is one of the draws for me with these types of bands.
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Post by Follower of Jesus on Sat Jun 06, 2015 8:48 pm

sentient 6 wrote:
Soldier777 wrote: To me Battle Cries sounds too slick and polished - if they made it sound a little gritty like the Fear Not CD then I would likely enjoy it more.

A slick production is one of the draws for me with these types of bands.

I couldn't agree more!
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Post by Guest on Sat Jun 06, 2015 9:00 pm

sentient 6 wrote:
Soldier777 wrote: To me Battle Cries sounds too slick and polished - if they made it sound a little gritty like the Fear Not CD then I would likely enjoy it more.

A slick production is one of the draws for me with these types of bands.


Same here....

Even my favorite era of Kiss was when they got into the slick and polished 80's pop metal

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Post by alldatndensum on Sat Jun 06, 2015 10:06 pm

I like polished production as much as anyone, but "Trust" had the same slickness to the production while the music had more grit and gravel.  It was less Europe and more Skid Row.
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Post by sentient 6 on Sat Jun 06, 2015 11:07 pm

alldatndensum wrote:I like polished production as much as anyone, but "Trust" had the same slickness to the production while the music had more grit and gravel.  It was less Europe and more Skid Row.

Thats true. And I think there is a place for both kinds of sounds in rock music.
 
Back in the day when I would listen to bands like Danger Danger, Trixter, Poison, etc I would think to myself that this was nothing more than " pop " music with better guitar. Sometimes I just wanted some catchy tunes without a lot of substance behind it.
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Post by WildWorld on Sat Jun 06, 2015 11:25 pm

sentient 6 wrote:
alldatndensum wrote:I like polished production as much as anyone, but "Trust" had the same slickness to the production while the music had more grit and gravel.  It was less Europe and more Skid Row.

Thats true. And I think there is a place for both kinds of sounds in rock music.
 
Back in the day when I would listen to bands like Danger Danger, Trixter, Poison, etc I would think to myself that this was nothing more than " pop " music with better guitar. Sometimes I just wanted some catchy tunes without a lot of substance behind it.

Ironically, thats pretty much the same formula as Pop-Punk nowadays (ie, bowling for soup, Simple Plan, ValuePac, MXPX, (old) Reliant K, etc)

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Post by sentient 6 on Sat Jun 06, 2015 11:27 pm

WildWorld wrote:
sentient 6 wrote:
alldatndensum wrote:I like polished production as much as anyone, but "Trust" had the same slickness to the production while the music had more grit and gravel.  It was less Europe and more Skid Row.

Thats true. And I think there is a place for both kinds of sounds in rock music.
 
Back in the day when I would listen to bands like Danger Danger, Trixter, Poison, etc I would think to myself that this was nothing more than " pop " music with better guitar. Sometimes I just wanted some catchy tunes without a lot of substance behind it.

Ironically, thats pretty much the same formula as Pop-Punk nowadays (ie, bowling for soup, Simple Plan, ValuePac, MXPX, (old) Reliant K, etc)

..indeed.
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Post by Stand against the wind on Tue Apr 26, 2016 5:13 pm

I´ll bumb this up. I love Battle Cries! There is something in the early 90´s sound you just cannot resist.

I don´t have Rise, though I have heard whole album. The band´s website is down but the last update in their FB profile is telling that they were in the middle of production of a new album with new material.

The silence after that leaves much to doubt. I would be very interested of hearing their new material.

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Post by Follower of Jesus on Wed Apr 27, 2016 12:16 pm

Count me out. I hated 'Rise'. They butchered the old tracks. Sneaking up on fans with a female vocalist also left me cold. I wouldn't have minded if they'd just been forthright about it.
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Post by eatbugs on Wed Apr 27, 2016 12:37 pm

Follower of Jesus wrote:Sneaking up on fans with a female vocalist also left me cold. I wouldn't have minded if they'd just been forthright about it.

Yeah, that wasn't cool. 

I actually like her voice and find myself listening to this more than Trust.  With better production I would enjoy hearing more from this re-tooled version of the band.

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Post by Staybrite on Wed Apr 27, 2016 2:42 pm

eatbugs wrote:
I actually like her voice and find myself listening to this more than Trust.  With better production I would enjoy hearing more from this re-tooled version of the band.

I agree.  Would be nice if they got some better production on future releases.
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Post by alldatndensum on Wed Apr 27, 2016 4:36 pm

I don't see how having a female singer is "sneaking up" on anyone.  Their previous vocalist had died.  I can see wanting to recreate the band while drawing from what they had built many years before.  "Rise" does exactly that.  It allowed a veteran band to reintroduce some songs with the new singer while adding some new songs as well.  I thought they handled it fairly well as they did tell people they would only be getting 4-5 new songs.  People reacted better to King James just giving up their debut with 2-3 new songs and calling it a "new album". 

As for "Rise", they needed a better mix and mastering job.  I think that would have made this album be more beloved by their fan base.
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Post by Stand against the wind on Wed Apr 27, 2016 4:53 pm

I liked the new singer! Especially in Trust-era songs she sounds great!

I hope the new album with new material will materialize. The Brave was easily one  of my favourite bands of the 90´s.

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Post by alldatndensum on Thu Apr 28, 2016 6:59 am

I am in the process of remastering "Rise" just for my own benefit.  I must say that the songs sound HUGE now.  I think that, if they had used my remaster, fans would have grabbed ahold of the new sound and singer much better.  This rocks now!
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Post by Follower of Jesus on Thu Apr 28, 2016 11:59 am

alldatndensum wrote:I don't see how having a female singer is "sneaking up" on anyone.  Their previous vocalist had died. 

By keeping it a secret. Remember how people were asking who their new singer was, but the band never would reveal it? That's how.
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Post by alldatndensum on Thu Apr 28, 2016 9:16 pm

I don't see it that way.  They wanted it to be a surprise.  That was their right and the mystery seemed to fuel a little buzz about the group.  That's just marketing.

Personally, I think more fans were upset by it being a woman rather than the way they presented her.  I thought she did a great job.  The mix was more of an issue for me, and I still like the album.  I hope they do many more together.
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Post by Stand against the wind on Mon May 02, 2016 6:32 am

I agree Alldat

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Post by Follower of Jesus on Mon May 02, 2016 12:46 pm

You call it marketing, I call it trickery. They knew that some people might hold off on buying the album until they heard her if they'd known it was a woman. We'll have to agree to disagree on that one.

I can speak only for myself. The singer being female meant nothing to me in and of itself. I like a woman singer just fine. I just don't like this particular one.
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Post by Pershing1134 on Mon May 02, 2016 7:04 pm

Battle Cries - Excellent
Trust - Excellent
Rise - Terrible
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Post by godsrocker1970 on Thu Jun 02, 2016 7:55 pm

Dirty water, cant let the devil win, runnin all my life great songs. James slater soaring vocalist from battle cries my favorite. If you want another "The Brave" album checkout Faithnation. A little softer than battle cries but james can still sing.

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