Top 50 best debuts in Christian rock and hard rock...

by Soldier777 Sat May 16, 2015 7:45 pm

Here is the link for the top 50 best debuts in Christian rock and hard rock:

http://classicchristianrockzone.blogspot.ca/2015/05/top-50-best-christian-rock-debut-albums.html

Enjoy...and do comment on this.

by Guest Sat May 16, 2015 7:55 pm

I can't even think of 50 bands I like.

by eatbugs Sat May 16, 2015 8:19 pm

Disclaimer: I have 38 of the 50 so I can't comment on all of them.

First point: Is it really a "debut" when a band only has 1 or 2 albums period? That's cheating. Also cheating: Love Life and Fear Not both being on the list. Even IF a band with only two albums deserves to be on there at all, it should ONLY be the Love Life album. Guardian, Petra, Tourniquet, and others went through more changes between some albums than Love Life/Fear Not did without changing their name.

Main point: Of the true debut albums on the list, I agree that pretty much all of them deserve to be there somewhere (without nitpicking over placement). My personal votes for #1 would be Tourniquet, Deliverance, Bloodgood, or maybe Larry Norman (more for historical significance than musical quality).

by Hardcore Christian Sat May 16, 2015 9:32 pm

I have 29 of 50 of these

I agree with the Morti, Holy Soldier, Tourniquet, Bloodgood and such

but ya the bands that only released one or two shouldnt be on there

no offense to Fear Not or Sacrament cause I love those albums

by Guest Sat May 16, 2015 10:02 pm

Trytan's Celestial Messenger deserves to be on there more than some of them

by Guest Sat May 16, 2015 10:06 pm

Also more deserving ..

Rob Rock's Rage of Creation
Joshua's The Hand Is Quicker Than The Eye

by Guest Sat May 16, 2015 10:30 pm

NoOneIsHere wrote:Trytan's Celestial Messenger deserves to be on there more than some of them

by Guest Sat May 16, 2015 11:20 pm

Prodigal's s/t debut album never gets any love.. Sad

by Guest Sat May 16, 2015 11:37 pm

Prodigal rules. Scored the s/t vinyl years ago at a pawn store. Picked up the three-album collection on disc last year.

by eatbugs Sun May 17, 2015 10:53 am

Hardcore Christian wrote:no offense to Fear Not or Sacrament cause I love those albums

Agreed with those and other 1-2 album bands on the list!

I hope I didn't come across like I don't like Fear Not/Love Life or others. I do! I just don't think they should be on this particular list.

by Guest Sun May 17, 2015 11:55 am

I think bands with only 1 or 2 releases should be counted.

Whether you release 100 discs or 1, your first album is still your first album.

The big thing about debut albums, to me at least, is that the band usually has an excitement and energy on it that is greater than any later release will have. They also have a surplus of material that they have been refining by playing live, and there is the fact that is their big chance so they go all into it.

Those things I mentioned are present whether or not they release a second album.

by Guest Sun May 17, 2015 7:15 pm

My number 1 would certainly be Sacred Warrior's Rebellion. This album is amazing and I was revisitng it last week and I was totally blown away once again.

Tourniquet, Mortification, Deliverance, Bloodgood, whitecross, Angelica and Idle Cure would also be in my top ten best debuts.

by Friday13th Sun May 17, 2015 9:16 pm

Saviour Machine

by Superjuice Sun May 17, 2015 9:29 pm

Friday13th wrote:Saviour Machine

FTW - one of the greatest albums of all-time.

by Guest Sun May 17, 2015 9:53 pm

My Top 25

Angelica	Angelica
Barren Cross	Rock for the King
Bloodgood	Bloodgood
Bride	Show No Mercy
Broken Silence	Discerning The Times
Daniel Band	On Rock
Eternal Ryte	World Requiem
Fear Not	Fear Not
Guardian	First Watch
Holy Soldier	Holy Soldier
Idle Cure	Idle Cure
InnerSiege	Kingdom Of Shadows
Mastedon	It's a Jungle Out There
Messiah Prophet	Rock the Flock
Novella	One Big Sky
Prodigal	Prodigal
Rage of Angels	Rage of Angels
Recon	Behind Enemy Lines
Sacred Warrior	Rebellion
Saint	Warriors Of The Son
Stryper	The Yellow and Black Attack!
Trytan	Celestial Messenger
Whitecross	Whitecross
X-Sinner	Get It

by Superjuice Sun May 17, 2015 9:58 pm

You forgot Jacob's Dream.

by Staybrite Mon May 18, 2015 8:06 am

NoOneIsHere wrote:I think bands with only 1 or 2 releases should be counted.

Whether you release 100 discs or 1, your first album is still your first album.

The big thing about debut albums, to me at least, is that the band usually has an excitement and energy on it that is greater than any later release will have. They also have a surplus of material that they have been refining by playing live, and there is the fact that is their big chance so they go all into it.

Those things I mentioned are present whether or not they release a second album.

I have to agree with that.

by KaramKaram Mon May 18, 2015 8:31 am

IMO for me it is quite the contrary at least with Stryper, NMHTP has more energy than their debut!

by Guest Mon May 18, 2015 8:48 am

KaramKaram wrote:IMO for me it is quite the contrary at least with Stryper, NMHTP has more energy than their debut!

Obviously everyone has their own opinion, but I think Stryper is actually a perfect example of what I was talking about.

NMHTP is a much better record than TYABA, no doubt. But I think it is also a very polished, controlled sound. I love it, don't get me wrong, I just think there was an energy / enthusiasm / excitability that was on TYABA that they will never duplicate.

Of course, being young also helps create energy also. That they can never duplicate due to the laws of nature Razz

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by Guest Mon May 18, 2015 8:49 am

Superjuice wrote:You forgot Jacob's Dream.

Hmmm..forgot..ignored...two sides of the same coin Razz

by eatbugs Tue May 19, 2015 1:02 pm

NoOneIsHere wrote:I think bands with only 1 or 2 releases should be counted.

Whether you release 100 discs or 1, your first album is still your first album.

The big thing about debut albums, to me at least, is that the band usually has an excitement and energy on it that is greater than any later release will have. They also have a surplus of material that they have been refining by playing live, and there is the fact that is their big chance so they go all into it.

Those things I mentioned are present whether or not they release a second album.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. Smile

To me "debut" or "first" imply a series. First isn't only, first is first.

I see your point about excitement/energy but I also hope a band keeps improving, not sliding downhill from an "exciting" debut (Demon Hunter is a great example of this). Running with the Stryper example, Soldiers Under Command was toured and "refined by playing live" too and I think it's much better than YABA. Also, Bride's Show No Mercy doesn't fit that criteria. Those aren't Matrix songs in the refinement process (at least, from what I've heard re-released of the Matrix years).

I would have replaced some of the one-off bands on this list with others (Living Sacrifice, etc.).

by Guest Tue May 19, 2015 1:11 pm

eatbugs wrote:
NoOneIsHere wrote:I think bands with only 1 or 2 releases should be counted.

Whether you release 100 discs or 1, your first album is still your first album.

The big thing about debut albums, to me at least, is that the band usually has an excitement and energy on it that is greater than any later release will have. They also have a surplus of material that they have been refining by playing live, and there is the fact that is their big chance so they go all into it.

Those things I mentioned are present whether or not they release a second album.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. To me "debut" or "first" imply a series. First isn't only, first is first.

I see your point about excitement/energy but I also hope a band keeps improving, not sliding downhill from an "exciting" debut (Demon Hunter is a great example of this). Running with the Stryper example, Soldiers Under Command was toured and "refined by playing live" too and I think it's much better than YABA. Also, Bride's Show No Mercy doesn't fit that criteria. Those aren't Matrix songs in the refinement process (at least, from what I've heard re-released of the Matrix years).

I would have replaced some of the one-off bands on this list with others (Living Sacrifice, etc.).

Debut is related to first, no matter if it is the only one or a series. Not every debut is the "only", but all the "only" albums are debut, even though debut also applies to the bands that had realeased "n" albums.

For instance, if I am analysing Deliverance, I will analyse the s/t album, and doesn't matter how many albums they have released after that or if they release it or not or if they can release a second album someday.

by oteis Tue May 19, 2015 1:16 pm

It's a good list. Good to see oldies like Lovesong and Stonehill made the list. But i have to agree that Saviour Machine should be on the list. One other i was missing is Veni Domine - Fall Babylon Fall. That one could easily make it into the top 20.

by oteis Tue May 19, 2015 1:17 pm

And Novella - One Big Sky!

by Guest Tue May 19, 2015 2:03 pm

eatbugs wrote:
NoOneIsHere wrote:I think bands with only 1 or 2 releases should be counted.

Whether you release 100 discs or 1, your first album is still your first album.

The big thing about debut albums, to me at least, is that the band usually has an excitement and energy on it that is greater than any later release will have. They also have a surplus of material that they have been refining by playing live, and there is the fact that is their big chance so they go all into it.

Those things I mentioned are present whether or not they release a second album.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. To me "debut" or "first" imply a series. First isn't only, first is first.

I see your point about excitement/energy but I also hope a band keeps improving, not sliding downhill from an "exciting" debut (Demon Hunter is a great example of this). Running with the Stryper example, Soldiers Under Command was toured and "refined by playing live" too and I think it's much better than YABA. Also, Bride's Show No Mercy doesn't fit that criteria. Those aren't Matrix songs in the refinement process (at least, from what I've heard re-released of the Matrix years).

I would have replaced some of the one-off bands on this list with others (Living Sacrifice, etc.).

Hmmmm...I had a reply to this that vanished..oh well..

I think you may be misunderstanding a couple of things I said...

My comment about them refining a song by playing it live wasn't about them making an album and then touring.

An upcoming unsigned band can play clubs for years before getting a chance to record an album. Usually during that time, they will have several songs that become kind of signature songs for them and that they play at every show. By the time they record their first cd, not only will they will have several years worth of written material to choose from, but they will also have some songs will have been performed by them for years prior.

After their first cd, usually all of the songs are written quickly and specifically FOR that album.

And yes, bands SHOULD get better each time out. But still, a young band being all wide eyed and hopeful about their future and excited for their first cd is going to give off an different energy than a veteran band that is polished and professional. Skill & experience is one thing, I am talking purely about energy.

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